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Post by hoobs on Jun 26, 2020 6:36:40 GMT -8
To be completely fair, I haven’t seen the tweet in question. Was there a flag being burned in an Instagram post or no? Unless "aztecnails" wants to correct me, I am assuming this is the post in question on the GoAztecs homepage. And to associate this, which celebrates black student athletes at SDSU on a day commemorating the end of slavery, with flag-burning and being anti-military / anti-government, well... aztecnails, please do retire as an Aztecs fan. I don't want you associated with my beloved alma mater. http://instagr.am/p/CBn-YCLJGRZ |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 26, 2020 6:39:50 GMT -8
Maybe a few psotters need banning… (not necessarily saying you) My father grew up in Canada with 5 sisters and one brother living in a 2 room home with a dirt floor and a single lightbulb. The house, and dairy farm they worked, was not theirs. The were, basically, sharecroppers. He came to America with nothing but a pickup truck and tools and the promise of a job. He paid for all that by working, starting by mixing mud in a wheelbarrow for his brother-in-law for $.45/hour. He came to America to work and after serving his two years in the military eventually started his own business with two other people and $1,600 he managed to save up. He grew that business into something much bigger than even he dreamed of, because of his hard work. He provided for his family because that is what you are supposed to do. There was no "privilege" involved in this, it was hard work. He got no help from the government and never asked for it. You want to make it in America then work hard or work smart. Great story and I'm glad for his success from hard work. |
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Post by jdaztec on Jun 26, 2020 6:42:54 GMT -8
I don't see a burning flag
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 7:03:42 GMT -8
To be completely fair, I haven’t seen the tweet in question. Was there a flag being burned in an Instagram post or no? Unless "aztecnails" wants to correct me, I am assuming this is the post in question on the GoAztecs homepage. And to associate this, which celebrates black student athletes at SDSU on a day commemorating the end of slavery, with flag-burning and being anti-military / anti-government, well... aztecnails, please do retire as an Aztecs fan. I don't want you associated with my beloved alma mater. http://instagr.am/p/CBn-YCLJGRZ Can't you see the issue? The flag burners in DC saw that SDSU Instagram and were inspired to do their dirty deed.  From OP's original post... "There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan."He can retire as an Aztec fan, but he may have trouble finding another school to root for. Perhaps Falwell (Liberty) University? |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jun 26, 2020 7:06:31 GMT -8
"All lives matters" is a deflection and an attempt to distort from the issue...plain and simple...there is absolutely no doubt that American history is rife with examples of Black lives not mattering...unless, of course, it is in service of whites in some capacity...for example scoring points on a court or a field to generate school visibility, revenue and to make our t-shirt look good...once those Blacks leave the court or field...America demonizes Blacks...especially young Black men...unlike their white teammates...they are subjected to systematic American bias, prejudice, racism and bigotry...no different than their non-athletic fathers, brothers, cousins and uncles...by doing nothing more than being in their skin...to deny this fact...says more about the person who says "All lives matters...than it does the reality of it all...this is why athletes are no longer silent...and won't shut up and play ball anymore: Alabama Players, Nick Saban Come Together for Powerful Video Speaking Out Against Racism“On the field we are relentless. We are strong. We are conquerors. But we are human beings first,” they say. “In this moment in history, we can’t be silent. We must speak up for our brothers and sisters, for our sons and daughters. We speak for justice, for fairness, for equality, for a greater understanding. We stand together against racism, against brutality, against violence for a better world.” “All lives can’t matter until Black lives matter.”www.yahoo.com/sports/alabama-players-nick-saban-come-together-for-powerful-video-speaking-out-against-racism-195149146.html |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 7:36:36 GMT -8
Unless "aztecnails" wants to correct me, I am assuming this is the post in question on the GoAztecs homepage. And to associate this, which celebrates black student athletes at SDSU on a day commemorating the end of slavery, with flag-burning and being anti-military / anti-government, well... aztecnails, please do retire as an Aztecs fan. I don't want you associated with my beloved alma mater. http://instagr.am/p/CBn-YCLJGRZ Can't you see the issue? The flag burners in DC saw that SDSU Instagram and were inspired to do their dirty deed. From OP's original post... "There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan."He can retire as an Aztec fan, but he may have trouble finding another school to root for. Perhaps Falwell (Liberty) University? If that was the post then I don't see the big deal. I do have issues with the BLM movement, specifically their effort to replace fathers with the state as they advertise on their "what-we-believe" page, but this post just seems to affirm that Black students are not only heard but a source of pride at SDSU. I think that is a great message. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 8:13:08 GMT -8
Can't you see the issue? The flag burners in DC saw that SDSU Instagram and were inspired to do their dirty deed. From OP's original post... "There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan."He can retire as an Aztec fan, but he may have trouble finding another school to root for. Perhaps Falwell (Liberty) University? If that was the post then I don't see the big deal. I do have issues with the BLM movement, specifically their effort to replace fathers with the state as they advertise on their "what-we-believe" page, but this post just seems to affirm that Black students are not only heard but a source of pride at SDSU. I think that is a great message. Is this the 'what-we-believe" page you are referring to? blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/If so, I can't find the part that you are referring to about replacing fathers with the state. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 26, 2020 8:57:15 GMT -8
There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan. The aztecs have done so much good for the military over the years. This hashtag before blm means the aztecs athletic department supports U.S. Flag burning with their blm statement. I'm retired military, my father is retired military and my grandfathers fought in the Korean war. That flag doesn't represent the military in actuality, it represents the country. We fought for our flag and our constitution which grants freedom of speech which can include burning the flag as a form of protest. Do I like to see it happen? No, of course not. But I defend that piece of paper that guarantees the right of freedom of speech and those expressing it. I've never understood "military" symbolism "disrespect to the military" thing with the flag as the flag doesn't belong to the military it belongs to every citizen, of every color and ethnicity of the United States. We, the military take an oath to support and defend. Some might need to look at the definition of "support" in that statement. We in the military don't choose what we support or don't. Its all in or you're out. We owe everyone who's a citizen the right to be allowed to live their life within or as the Constitution permits. The National Anthem is pretty much all about the Military. I think that's why people are triggered about the kneeling during it, and the burning of it, etc.... The National Anthem is a big representation of our flag and that's what's embedded in most peoples minds, and triggers them when it gets disrespected to them. That's my take anyway. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 9:01:50 GMT -8
If that was the post then I don't see the big deal. I do have issues with the BLM movement, specifically their effort to replace fathers with the state as they advertise on their "what-we-believe" page, but this post just seems to affirm that Black students are not only heard but a source of pride at SDSU. I think that is a great message. Is this the 'what-we-believe" page you are referring to? blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/If so, I can't find the part that you are referring to about replacing fathers with the state. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. That is indeed the page, and it is in the 4th to last paragraph. It starts with "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." The nuclear family is mother, father, and children living in a single house. In its place they want the collective (i.e. state) to act as an extended family that provides the same role traditionally filled by the father. I have no idea why they went there. I don't know if BLM considers 2-parent households to be Asian/European/Latinx privilege, but as a father in a nuclear family I'm not a fan of that plank in their platform. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 9:33:19 GMT -8
Is this the 'what-we-believe" page you are referring to? blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/If so, I can't find the part that you are referring to about replacing fathers with the state. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. That is indeed the page, and it is in the 4th to last paragraph. It starts with "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." The nuclear family is mother, father, and children living in a single house. In its place they want the collective (i.e. state) to act as an extended family that provides the same role traditionally filled by the father. I have no idea why they went there. I don't know if BLM considers 2-parent households to be Asian/European/Latinx privilege, but as a father in a nuclear family I'm not a fan of that plank in their platform. I thought it might be that, but nowhere do I see it mentioned 'the state' taking over. I think they are referring to their org when they mention collectively. I have no issue with that. They are trying to be as inclusive as possible. I talked to a couple of their members about 6 months ago when I was visiting my brother up in the Bay Area. They had a booth set up at a local farmer's market. The two gentlemen I talked to were excellent representatives of their org, and I got the sense they were doing their best to do things the right way in an effort to make substantial change. Every org is gonna have a few bad apples, as well as detractors that will try their best to discredit what they are trying to accomplish. All in all, I support their effort myself. I hope more (non-black people) will feel that way as well as time goes on. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 26, 2020 9:58:08 GMT -8
Is this the 'what-we-believe" page you are referring to? blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/If so, I can't find the part that you are referring to about replacing fathers with the state. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to learn. That is indeed the page, and it is in the 4th to last paragraph. It starts with "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." The nuclear family is mother, father, and children living in a single house. In its place they want the collective (i.e. state) to act as an extended family that provides the same role traditionally filled by the father. I have no idea why they went there. I don't know if BLM considers 2-parent households to be Asian/European/Latinx privilege, but as a father in a nuclear family I'm not a fan of that plank in their platform. The "downfall" of 2-parent households is MUCH larger than BLM. Divorce rates, among other things, have led to increased / increased rates of single-parent families. I'm sure that most people don't set out to raise kids by themselves, but $#!+ happens. Also, defining "nuclear family" as mother, father children is also problemmatic as it excludes LGBTQ families. And when they refer to a "collective" I'm pretty darn sure they mean among a community. Considering how "the state" has treated black people for the last 400 years... there's no way that's what they mean. |
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Post by aztech on Jun 26, 2020 10:05:45 GMT -8
With the election so close, there will be all kinds of disruptions so you need to try to decipher just who's really trying to divide the country. There are fringe groups on both sides.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 10:20:54 GMT -8
That is indeed the page, and it is in the 4th to last paragraph. It starts with "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure..." The nuclear family is mother, father, and children living in a single house. In its place they want the collective (i.e. state) to act as an extended family that provides the same role traditionally filled by the father. I have no idea why they went there. I don't know if BLM considers 2-parent households to be Asian/European/Latinx privilege, but as a father in a nuclear family I'm not a fan of that plank in their platform. The "downfall" of 2-parent households is MUCH larger than BLM. Divorce rates, among other things, have led to increased / increased rates of single-parent families. I'm sure that most people don't set out to raise kids by themselves, but $#!+ happens. Also, defining "nuclear family" as mother, father children is also problemmatic as it excludes LGBTQ families. And when they refer to a "collective" I'm pretty darn sure they mean among a community. Considering how "the state" has treated black people for the last 400 years... there's no way that's what they mean. I never blamed BLM for the downfall of 2-parent household, it's more that I don't think pouring gasoline on the fire is helpful. As far as it being the state, or their organization, or the community filling the role, that isn't the issue. It is the "disrupting" I have a problem with. If you think all kids should grow up with single mothers then we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 10:55:12 GMT -8
The "downfall" of 2-parent households is MUCH larger than BLM. Divorce rates, among other things, have led to increased / increased rates of single-parent families. I'm sure that most people don't set out to raise kids by themselves, but $#!+ happens. Also, defining "nuclear family" as mother, father children is also problemmatic as it excludes LGBTQ families. And when they refer to a "collective" I'm pretty darn sure they mean among a community. Considering how "the state" has treated black people for the last 400 years... there's no way that's what they mean. I never blamed BLM for the downfall of 2-parent household, it's more that I don't think pouring gasoline on the fire is helpful. As far as it being the state, or their organization, or the community filling the role, that isn't the issue. It is the "disrupting" I have a problem with. If you think all kids should grow up with single mothers then we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this. They org is trying to help families already in a situation with single mothers/fathers. Or with dual mothers/fathers. I'm not sure where you get that that is 'disrupting". I think it's the inclusiveness that they're trying to impart is what's truly bothering you. That seems to be a big issue in our society as a whole. Maybe I'm misreading your intentions, but I know that's an issue with a lot of people in our country. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 12:06:56 GMT -8
I never blamed BLM for the downfall of 2-parent household, it's more that I don't think pouring gasoline on the fire is helpful. As far as it being the state, or their organization, or the community filling the role, that isn't the issue. It is the "disrupting" I have a problem with. If you think all kids should grow up with single mothers then we aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this. They org is trying to help families already in a situation with single mothers/fathers. Or with dual mothers/fathers. I'm not sure where you get that that is 'disrupting". I think it's the inclusiveness that they're trying to impart is what's truly bothering you. That seems to be a big issue in our society as a whole. Maybe I'm misreading your intentions, but I know that's an issue with a lot of people in our country. I'm getting the "disrupting" from where they wrote "we disrupt". Also it is not dual mother/dual fathers as Hoobs was correct, those are also considered a nuclear family. I was using the traditional definition and Hoobs called me on it using the modern one. Apparently BLM doesn't seem to like same-sex nuclear families any more than they like cis/het/norm-mom & cis/het/norm-dad nuclear families. If it is a nuclear family, they want to disrupt it. You're trying really hard to invent an inclusion/exclusion motivation that isn't there. I'm not hiding the ball. I'm in a nuclear family. I don't want it disrupted. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 12:12:30 GMT -8
They org is trying to help families already in a situation with single mothers/fathers. Or with dual mothers/fathers. I'm not sure where you get that that is 'disrupting". I think it's the inclusiveness that they're trying to impart is what's truly bothering you. That seems to be a big issue in our society as a whole. Maybe I'm misreading your intentions, but I know that's an issue with a lot of people in our country. I'm getting the "disrupting" from where they wrote "we disrupt". Also it is not dual mother/dual fathers as Hoobs was correct, those are also considered a nuclear family. I was using the traditional definition and Hoobs called me on it using the modern one. Apparently BLM doesn't seem to like same-sex nuclear families any more than they like cis/het/norm-mom & cis/het/norm-dad nuclear families. If it is a nuclear family, they want to disrupt it. You're trying really hard to invent an inclusion/exclusion motivation that isn't there. I'm not hiding the ball. I'm in a nuclear family. I don't want it disrupted. OK understood. Not everyone is in the same boat. Me personally, it doesn't bother me. I'll just leave it at that. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Jun 26, 2020 13:26:48 GMT -8
Just to be sure, for those that are supporting BLM, have you read their website about what they are pursuing?
All 1.7 million prisoners released
All 700,000 police disbanded
Anti-government
Anti-church (all religions)
Pro-abortion
Get rid of “western family nucleus” and have children raised by communities
If this is what you believe and support... so be it, it’s your right to do so.
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 26, 2020 13:33:38 GMT -8
Just to be sure, for those that are supporting BLM, have you read their website about what they are pursuing? All 1.7 million prisoners released All 700,000 police disbanded Anti-government Anti-church (all religions) Pro-abortion Get rid of “western family nucleus” and have children raised by communities If this is what you believe and support... so be it, it’s your right to do so. Did you read that on their website? And yes, I know that's what you wrote in your post. But I didn't see that. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 26, 2020 13:37:20 GMT -8
Just to be sure, for those that are supporting BLM, have you read their website about what they are pursuing? All 1.7 million prisoners released All 700,000 police disbanded Anti-government Anti-church (all religions) Pro-abortion Get rid of “western family nucleus” and have children raised by communities If this is what you believe and support... so be it, it’s your right to do so. Did you read that on their website? And yes, I know that's what you wrote in your post. But I didn't see that. He heard it was on their website by Fox News, Alex Jones or OAN........ blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ |
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Post by standiego on Jun 26, 2020 14:28:29 GMT -8
I also got a much more positive truer position about issues when reading BLM at their actual website - with main focus as justice for all . As have numerous Aztec players , coaches , students and faculty at SDSU .
Does show how it is very easy to have selective tunnel vision on where you get information or maybe get misinformation .Or if you stumble on that slippery sloped ramp at West Point .
Guess this post will continue to slip down that ramp . So better shut it down before we need to grab two shots of Lysol with A Hydro... chaser and water with two hands -
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