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Post by Cwag on Jun 25, 2020 10:22:46 GMT -8
Oh, Lordy, I can't take this any more! All people can't take this anymore.  |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 11:49:30 GMT -8
I may be wrong but isn't burning the flag a protected free speech expression. It has been ruled on by the Supremes several times even after Congress passed a law criminalizing the act. Again protected free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would flying the Confederate flag be considered free speech as well? Sure is a lot of banning that lately. Unfortunately, many in this country only believe if free speech if they agree with what is being said/done. |
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Post by aztecking on Jun 25, 2020 12:23:49 GMT -8
I may be wrong but isn't burning the flag a protected free speech expression. It has been ruled on by the Supremes several times even after Congress passed a law criminalizing the act. Again protected free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would flying the Confederate flag be considered free speech as well? Sure is a lot of banning that lately. Unfortunately, many in this country only believe if free speech if they agree with what is being said/done. Of course it is. You are either ignorant or know it’s free speech but are looking to start an argument. No one is looking to stop you from flying a Confederate flag on your property. But your right to fly one doesn’t extend to other people’s private property. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2020 13:14:29 GMT -8
Go ahead, burn the flag. I don't like it, but you have the right to.
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 25, 2020 13:40:22 GMT -8
End the politics of division - all lives matter. Hot tip, saying "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean "only black lives matter". Just like saying "Boston Strong" doesn't imply that the city you live in is not also strong. You say end the politics of division and then follow it up with a very divisive and political statement. You don’t see the irony that the simple and true statement of “all lives matter” is considered “a very divisive political statement” by some? |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 14:06:31 GMT -8
Would flying the Confederate flag be considered free speech as well? Sure is a lot of banning that lately. Unfortunately, many in this country only believe if free speech if they agree with what is being said/done. Of course it is. You are either ignorant or know it’s free speech but are looking to start an argument. No one is looking to stop you from flying a Confederate flag on your property. But your right to fly one doesn’t extend to other people’s private property. What about wearing a t-shirt with a confederate flag on it? The reason I bring this up is that the flag is being banned all over the country, representations of it banned as well. The VA even removed the flag from the cemeteries they manage - which includes cemeteries for those who fought for the South. In fact, you can look up US flag banned and find that many schools have banned students from wearing a shirt with a US flag on it. Why? Simply because somebody got offended by it. Statues are being torn down as well. What's next, the memorials for confederate soldiers at those VA cemeteries need to come down? “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell, 1984 |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 25, 2020 14:08:49 GMT -8
Hot tip, saying "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean "only black lives matter". Just like saying "Boston Strong" doesn't imply that the city you live in is not also strong. You say end the politics of division and then follow it up with a very divisive and political statement. You don’t see the irony that the simple and true statement of “all lives matter” is considered “a very divisive political statement” by some? OK lots to unload here. All lives matter is of course as a stand alone statement is simple and true. In response to someone saying black Lives matter then it becomes something else. It is a way to minimize the racism and violence that black people have endured in this country for over 400 years. It's privileged white people saying your black lives are not worth more than ours, but dismisses the oppression, cruelty and discrimination and the fact that when it comes to Law enforcement black men are treated far more violently and killed at a much higher rate than white men, sometimes for not even committing a crime. Please answer this question. If all lives really do matter equally which white person on this board would like to be treated like a black man in America right now. Any takers? |
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Post by junior on Jun 25, 2020 14:11:49 GMT -8
I may be wrong but isn't burning the flag a protected free speech expression. It has been ruled on by the Supremes several times even after Congress passed a law criminalizing the act. Again protected free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would flying the Confederate flag be considered free speech as well? Sure is a lot of banning that lately. Unfortunately, many in this country only believe if free speech if they agree with what is being said/done. Maybe a few psotters need banning… (not necessarily saying you) |
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Post by aztecron on Jun 25, 2020 15:58:22 GMT -8
There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan. The aztecs have done so much good for the military over the years. This hashtag before blm means the aztecs athletic department supports U.S. Flag burning with their blm statement. I'm retired military, my father is retired military and my grandfathers fought in the Korean war. That flag doesn't represent the military in actuality, it represents the country. We fought for our flag and our constitution which grants freedom of speech which can include burning the flag as a form of protest. Do I like to see it happen? No, of course not. But I defend that piece of paper that guarantees the right of freedom of speech and those expressing it. I've never understood "military" symbolism "disrespect to the military" thing with the flag as the flag doesn't belong to the military it belongs to every citizen, of every color and ethnicity of the United States. We, the military take an oath to support and defend. Some might need to look at the definition of "support" in that statement. We in the military don't choose what we support or don't. Its all in or you're out. We owe everyone who's a citizen the right to be allowed to live their life within or as the Constitution permits. |
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Post by Cwag on Jun 25, 2020 16:02:00 GMT -8
There is an instagram post on the goaztecs.com website with the hashtag before the blm words. On tuesday night in washington dc, a group of rioters and their mob celebrated the burning of the U.S..Flag. I am calling on the goaztecs.com website to remove that instagram post and blm support. If they don't, I will retire as an aztecs fan. The aztecs have done so much good for the military over the years. This hashtag before blm means the aztecs athletic department supports U.S. Flag burning with their blm statement. I'm retired military, my father is retired military and my grandfathers fought in the Korean war. That flag doesn't represent the military in actuality, it represents the country. We fought for our flag and our constitution which grants freedom of speech which can include burning the flag as a form of protest. Do I like to see it happen? No, of course not. But I defend that piece of paper that guarantees the right of freedom of speech and those expressing it. I've never understood "military" symbolism "disrespect to the military" thing with the flag as the flag doesn't belong to the military it belongs to every citizen, of every color and ethnicity of the United States. We, the military take an oath to support and defend. Some might need to look at the definition of "support" in that statement. We in the military don't choose what we support or don't. Its all in or you're out. We owe everyone who's a citizen the right to be allowed to live their life within or as the Constitution permits. Well said. Thanks for your service. |
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Post by zollner on Jun 25, 2020 17:29:08 GMT -8
As Sgt Hulka might say to all of the posters including me, "Lighten up Francis."
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Post by joshaztec on Jun 25, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -8
How has this political thread gotten to 3 pages without being moved?
Also...
Black Lives Matter
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Post by aztecfred on Jun 25, 2020 18:12:40 GMT -8
Hot tip, saying "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean "only black lives matter". Just like saying "Boston Strong" doesn't imply that the city you live in is not also strong. You say end the politics of division and then follow it up with a very divisive and political statement. You don’t see the irony that the simple and true statement of “all lives matter” is considered “a very divisive political statement” by some? What isn't these days? |
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Post by Den60 on Jun 25, 2020 18:14:01 GMT -8
Would flying the Confederate flag be considered free speech as well? Sure is a lot of banning that lately. Unfortunately, many in this country only believe if free speech if they agree with what is being said/done. Maybe a few psotters need banning… (not necessarily saying you) My father grew up in Canada with 5 sisters and one brother living in a 2 room home with a dirt floor and a single lightbulb. The house, and dairy farm they worked, was not theirs. The were, basically, sharecroppers. He came to America with nothing but a pickup truck and tools and the promise of a job. He paid for all that by working, starting by mixing mud in a wheelbarrow for his brother-in-law for $.45/hour. He came to America to work and after serving his two years in the military eventually started his own business with two other people and $1,600 he managed to save up. He grew that business into something much bigger than even he dreamed of, because of his hard work. He provided for his family because that is what you are supposed to do. There was no "privilege" involved in this, it was hard work. He got no help from the government and never asked for it. You want to make it in America then work hard or work smart. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Jun 25, 2020 18:36:32 GMT -8
You don’t see the irony that the simple and true statement of “all lives matter” is considered “a very divisive political statement” by some? OK lots to unload here. All lives matter is of course as a stand alone statement is simple and true. In response to someone saying black Lives matter then it becomes something else. It is a way to minimize the racism and violence that black people have endured in this country for over 400 years. It's privileged white people saying your black lives are not worth more than ours, but dismisses the oppression, cruelty and discrimination and the fact that when it comes to Law enforcement black men are treated far more violently and killed at a much higher rate than white men, sometimes for not even committing a crime. Please answer this question. If all lives really do matter equally which white person on this board would like to be treated like a black man in America right now. Any takers? How do you, or anyone else, know with such certainty that a simple (and true by you) statement is being used for some nefarious purpose beyond it’s accepted meaning: that a person values all human life equally? Black lives are not worth more, or less, than any other human life. The value of each individual life is intrinsic, unrelated to health, wealth, social station, oppression, or unfairness, current or past. I do live in the real world and realize that we will never experience an earthly world where all people are treated equally in every way. For example, my children will never experience the advantages that are afforded to President Trump’s or President Obama’s children, by the nature of the success of their parents. But, social advantage doesn’t equate to increased human value. If each person is created equal, and I believe that we are, then all lives matter equally. Hence, ALL LIVES MATTER. |
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Post by aztecnails on Jun 25, 2020 19:43:05 GMT -8
One lesson from this discussion is that all AZTECS nation can debate and disagree on any issue without getting violent. the second is learn the content of what is being said in the classrooms, the lowering of grades based on political classwork must end and allow all viewpoints and on school websites without the school taking sides. third, all viewpoints must be protected on school campuses and the firing for political beliefs must end. Windsor high school in Vermont fired the principal for her anti-blm comments and florida state university fired one student in that school's student government for his political comment while allowing the opposite viewpoint. In both incidents, the schools missed an opportunity to bring the faculty, administration and students together, in a teachable moment, to have a discussion just like the what has happened on this thread this week. Now that we have had this discussion, it is time to make San Diego State the best in the nation by allowing all viewpoints in a peaceful manner and speak out against groups that advocate violence. last, all people should follow police orders and one will live to see tomorrow. the courts and a written complaint are one way to handle police brutality peacefully.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 26, 2020 2:31:56 GMT -8
I could go along with much of that, but you totally lost it at those last 2 sentences. Those are just plain wrong. One clear example: Philando Castile.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 5:17:38 GMT -8
I may be wrong but isn't burning the flag a protected free speech expression. It has been ruled on by the Supremes several times even after Congress passed a law criminalizing the act. Again protected free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Burning the flag is 100% protected free speech but it is strange to see a government school using its platform to amplify an anti-government message. It would be like your little toe burning a flag that had your face on it. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 26, 2020 5:41:46 GMT -8
I may be wrong but isn't burning the flag a protected free speech expression. It has been ruled on by the Supremes several times even after Congress passed a law criminalizing the act. Again protected free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Burning the flag is 100% protected free speech but it is strange to see a government school using its platform to amplify an anti-government message. It would be like your little toe burning a flag that had your face on it. First of all, let's get back to the issue... GoAztecs put out a message supporting BLM. Good, and MOST schools are doing the same, public or private (eg, www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/nick-saban-alabama-football-players-in-powerful-video-all-lives-cant-matter-until-black-lives-matter/)The OP is erroneously linking "rioters and their mob" and flagburning with BLM, and thus somehow accusing SDSU of being anti-government / anti-military. Which is horse-crap of the stinkiest variety. So there's no such thing as SDSU promoting an anti-government message. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 26, 2020 6:18:20 GMT -8
Burning the flag is 100% protected free speech but it is strange to see a government school using its platform to amplify an anti-government message. It would be like your little toe burning a flag that had your face on it. First of all, let's get back to the issue... GoAztecs put out a message supporting BLM. Good, and MOST schools are doing the same, public or private (eg, www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/nick-saban-alabama-football-players-in-powerful-video-all-lives-cant-matter-until-black-lives-matter/)The OP is erroneously linking "rioters and their mob" and flagburning with BLM, and thus somehow accusing SDSU of being anti-government / anti-military. Which is horse-crap of the stinkiest variety. So there's no such thing as SDSU promoting an anti-government message. To be completely fair, I haven’t seen the tweet in question. Was there a flag being burned in an Instagram post or no? |
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