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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 11, 2020 11:36:06 GMT -8
NOTE: I posted this before I read AzTex's similar post.
As for the future of the shopping center just west of the stadium, I'm thinking of an alternative to the idea that the whole thing might go bust. The area now containing Ikea, Lowes, and Costco (plus a large parking area), should be big enough to provide ample development space for science-related businesses. These would be literally within walking distance of SDSU-West.
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Post by AzTex on Jul 11, 2020 11:47:28 GMT -8
NOTE: I posted this before I read AzTex's similar post.As for the future of the shopping center just west of the stadium, I'm thinking of an alternative to the idea that the whole thing might go bust. The area now containing Ikea, Lowes, and Costco (plus a large parking area), should be big enough to provide ample development space for science-related businesses. These would be literally within walking distance of SDSU-West. AzWm Great minds ... and uh you know ... the thing. |
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Post by robthevol on Jul 11, 2020 11:49:09 GMT -8
Followed the story. No details on what 125m will buy for the arena. Currently, capacity for basketball is listed as just under 15,000. Most NBA Clippers, Lakers) are under 20,000. Larger arenas are multipurpose.
Any info on their plan?
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Post by Den60 on Jul 12, 2020 16:31:42 GMT -8
Followed the story. No details on what 125m will buy for the arena. Currently, capacity for basketball is listed as just under 15,000. Most NBA Clippers, Lakers) are under 20,000. Larger arenas are multipurpose. Any info on their plan? LA doesn't want San Diego to have a NBA or NHL team. They consider SD to be their market and they have 2 NBA and 2 NHL teams there. They also have two MSL teams though the fan draw for that covers a much smaller diameter. The Anaheim Ducks have their main farm team here; cheaper to move players up and down but mostly to establish a fan base here. If we were ever to try to attract an NBA or NHL team here the arena would have to be downtown and we would have to have a Paul Allen type to fund it push it through. We don't have a "Paul Allen" type of person here, never really had one in San Diego, and the money and power in LA to block such and thing is rather immense. A lot of those with money seem to be interested more in relocating out of California for obvious reasons. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 13, 2020 16:32:31 GMT -8
The best part is, if SD Loyal (currently coached by Landon Donovan) outgrows Torero Stadium, there is only one other stadium they can play in locally in 2022. The new Aztec Stadium. They have ruled that out, at least in the short term of 7-10 years. They are looking to construct a modular 15,000 stadium as part of the Toll Brother's proposal for the sports arena site. That would cost $15-20M. Their eventual plan would follow the Sacramento scenario to build a permanent stadium of at least 20K seats optimized for soccer though they don't rule out the SDSU stadium as a potential site in the long term but most MSL stadiums are less than 25K seats. If professional football should lose some popularity then a larger venue for San Diego - which only has one professional team playing that the top level - might make sense. When LA initially lost their NFL teams viewership of games went up because they were given the best game matchups each week but, eventually, that viewership shrank due to the fact that they no longer had a team to root for: "We’re confident that we can build the right size to basically make sure that the environment is fun, exciting and ultimately the fans win,” said the executive, who oversaw the USL Sacramento club’s move into a modular venue. He added: “We want to give multiple reasons for fans to come to a match. Not just the soccer, but the bands beforehand, the ability for kids to play on miniature soccer fields.”
Smith said the team’s longer-range plan is to play in a modular stadium for seven to 10 years and become popular enough to move into a “brick and mortar” venue that would hold at least 20,000 fans, as the Sacramento club did.
He said he gave consideration to SD Loyal becoming a tenant at San Diego State’s football stadium, which school officials plan to open in 2022. He decided the venue, at 35,000 seats, would be too big for the fledgling soccer club.
“The worst thing we can do in any sporting venue is to build an overabundance of seats,” said Smith, who also oversaw operations with an MLS team in Portland and a minor league baseball club in Oakland. “Basically when you have an oversupply, people won’t buy season tickets because they know they can get tickets on the back end. This is a way for us to, in essence, control the supply curve, like we’re doing at Torero, but be able to grow and accommodate in a meaningful way.”[/i]
Under the Toll Brothers plan the sports arena would undergo a $125M renovation and will include a 3,500 seat music venue.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/soccer/story/2020-07-10/sd-loyal-soccer-team-plans-stadium-near-point-loma-chargers-east-village-usl
You don't need to have all 35,000 seats available. Tarp the upper deck (admittedly, I don't know how many seats the new Aztec Stadium will have in those upper decks). Atlanta doesn't use all of the available seats in their stadium, and Seattle tarps off the upper deck in theirs. It is something they could consider down the road, instead of building their own facility, if they choose to go that way. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 14, 2020 8:38:47 GMT -8
They have ruled that out, at least in the short term of 7-10 years. They are looking to construct a modular 15,000 stadium as part of the Toll Brother's proposal for the sports arena site. That would cost $15-20M. Their eventual plan would follow the Sacramento scenario to build a permanent stadium of at least 20K seats optimized for soccer though they don't rule out the SDSU stadium as a potential site in the long term but most MSL stadiums are less than 25K seats. If professional football should lose some popularity then a larger venue for San Diego - which only has one professional team playing that the top level - might make sense. When LA initially lost their NFL teams viewership of games went up because they were given the best game matchups each week but, eventually, that viewership shrank due to the fact that they no longer had a team to root for: "We’re confident that we can build the right size to basically make sure that the environment is fun, exciting and ultimately the fans win,” said the executive, who oversaw the USL Sacramento club’s move into a modular venue. He added: “We want to give multiple reasons for fans to come to a match. Not just the soccer, but the bands beforehand, the ability for kids to play on miniature soccer fields.”
Smith said the team’s longer-range plan is to play in a modular stadium for seven to 10 years and become popular enough to move into a “brick and mortar” venue that would hold at least 20,000 fans, as the Sacramento club did.
He said he gave consideration to SD Loyal becoming a tenant at San Diego State’s football stadium, which school officials plan to open in 2022. He decided the venue, at 35,000 seats, would be too big for the fledgling soccer club.
“The worst thing we can do in any sporting venue is to build an overabundance of seats,” said Smith, who also oversaw operations with an MLS team in Portland and a minor league baseball club in Oakland. “Basically when you have an oversupply, people won’t buy season tickets because they know they can get tickets on the back end. This is a way for us to, in essence, control the supply curve, like we’re doing at Torero, but be able to grow and accommodate in a meaningful way.”[/i]
Under the Toll Brothers plan the sports arena would undergo a $125M renovation and will include a 3,500 seat music venue.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/soccer/story/2020-07-10/sd-loyal-soccer-team-plans-stadium-near-point-loma-chargers-east-village-usl
You don't need to have all 35,000 seats available. Tarp the upper deck (admittedly, I don't know how many seats the new Aztec Stadium will have in those upper decks). Atlanta doesn't use all of the available seats in their stadium, and Seattle tarps off the upper deck in theirs. It is something they could consider down the road, instead of building their own facility, if they choose to go that way. In the article they did not rule out the Aztec stadium, just it isn't in their short term (7-10 year plan). The preferred size for most MSL venues is 20-25K. |
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Post by samurai on Jul 14, 2020 9:20:11 GMT -8
Followed the story. No details on what 125m will buy for the arena. Currently, capacity for basketball is listed as just under 15,000. Most NBA Clippers, Lakers) are under 20,000. Larger arenas are multipurpose. Any info on their plan? LA doesn't want San Diego to have a NBA or NHL team. They consider SD to be their market and they have 2 NBA and 2 NHL teams there. They also have two MSL teams though the fan draw for that covers a much smaller diameter. The Anaheim Ducks have their main farm team here; cheaper to move players up and down but mostly to establish a fan base here. If we were ever to try to attract an NBA or NHL team here the arena would have to be downtown and we would have to have a Paul Allen type to fund it push it through. We don't have a "Paul Allen" type of person here, never really had one in San Diego, and the money and power in LA to block such and thing is rather immense. A lot of those with money seem to be interested more in relocating out of California for obvious reasons. There was talk 3 years ago that Joseph Tsai would be that guy. He was rumored to be interested in building a new arena in downtown San Diego. That talk seems to have died now that Tsai owns the Brooklyn Nets and Barclays Center. It would have been nice to have an NBA team in San Diego again. The NHL might end up being the best shot at getting another major league team in SD. The Arizona Coyotes are right there just waiting to be poached. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 14, 2020 10:24:14 GMT -8
You don't need to have all 35,000 seats available. Tarp the upper deck (admittedly, I don't know how many seats the new Aztec Stadium will have in those upper decks). Atlanta doesn't use all of the available seats in their stadium, and Seattle tarps off the upper deck in theirs. It is something they could consider down the road, instead of building their own facility, if they choose to go that way. In the article they did not rule out the Aztec stadium, just it isn't in their short term (7-10 year plan). The preferred size for most MSL venues is 20-25K. You, me, and the Loyal are all saying pretty much the same thing. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 15, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -8
LA doesn't want San Diego to have a NBA or NHL team. They consider SD to be their market and they have 2 NBA and 2 NHL teams there. They also have two MSL teams though the fan draw for that covers a much smaller diameter. The Anaheim Ducks have their main farm team here; cheaper to move players up and down but mostly to establish a fan base here. If we were ever to try to attract an NBA or NHL team here the arena would have to be downtown and we would have to have a Paul Allen type to fund it push it through. We don't have a "Paul Allen" type of person here, never really had one in San Diego, and the money and power in LA to block such and thing is rather immense. A lot of those with money seem to be interested more in relocating out of California for obvious reasons. There was talk 3 years ago that Joseph Tsai would be that guy. He was rumored to be interested in building a new arena in downtown San Diego. That talk seems to have died now that Tsai owns the Brooklyn Nets and Barclays Center. It would have been nice to have an NBA team in San Diego again. The NHL might end up being the best shot at getting another major league team in SD. The Arizona Coyotes are right there just waiting to be poached. For me, I'd prefer an NHL team. Still, we have two NHL and NBA teams just some 100-120 miles north of us and they both would prefer SD not to have a team in either sport. It would be nice to build a new arena so we can host the MM Regionals. Not sure if just doing a renovation of the existing sports arena is good enough - again a downtown arena would be very attractive for something like that. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 15, 2020 18:26:36 GMT -8
There was talk 3 years ago that Joseph Tsai would be that guy. He was rumored to be interested in building a new arena in downtown San Diego. That talk seems to have died now that Tsai owns the Brooklyn Nets and Barclays Center. It would have been nice to have an NBA team in San Diego again. The NHL might end up being the best shot at getting another major league team in SD. The Arizona Coyotes are right there just waiting to be poached. For me, I'd prefer an NHL team. Still, we have two NHL and NBA teams just some 100-120 miles north of us and they both would prefer SD not to have a team in either sport. It would be nice to build a new arena so we can host the MM Regionals. Not sure if just doing a renovation of the existing sports arena is good enough - again a downtown arena would be very attractive for something like that. No way is a renovation enough, as the current arena would still seat just under 13,000 for hockey. And I'm not sure that the NHL wants to give up on the Arizona market, as the Coyotes had their best attendance numbers this season since the 2008-09 season. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 15, 2020 19:43:46 GMT -8
Let's put this to rest. SD will never have an NHL, NBA, NFL in the near future if ever, let alone a new 20k state of the art sports arena. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Just look at the convention center. San Diego doesn't have cojones, the $$$ or the leadership. San Diego steppin over dollars to pick up dimes since FOREVER!
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 15, 2020 20:04:37 GMT -8
Let's put this to rest. SD will never have an NHL, NBA, NFL in the near future if ever, let alone a new 20k state of the art sports arena. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Just look at the convention center. San Diego doesn't have cojones, the $$$ or the leadership. San Diego steppin over dollars to pick up dimes since FOREVER! Repeat-- "since FOREVER!" |
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Post by fisher1fan on Jul 16, 2020 6:15:28 GMT -8
Let's put this to rest. SD will never have an NHL, NBA, NFL in the near future if ever, let alone a new 20k state of the art sports arena. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Just look at the convention center. San Diego doesn't have cojones, the $$$ or the leadership. San Diego steppin over dollars to pick up dimes since FOREVER! Trying to get the timeline right... Is it “never” in the “near future” or “if ever” or “never”? Never got two references, but near future and if ever suggest another mindset. At least the message was clear 👍🏼 |
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 16, 2020 9:17:24 GMT -8
Let's put this to rest. SD will never have an NHL, NBA, NFL in the near future if ever, let alone a new 20k state of the art sports arena. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! Just look at the convention center. San Diego doesn't have cojones, the $$$ or the leadership. San Diego steppin over dollars to pick up dimes since FOREVER! Trying to get the timeline right... Is it “never” in the “near future” or “if ever” or “never”? Never got two references, but near future and if ever suggest another mindset. At least the message was clear 👍🏼 Since your at it please explain "up to 50% off and more!" |
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Post by Aztec Empire on Jul 18, 2020 11:41:35 GMT -8
Followed the story. No details on what 125m will buy for the arena. Currently, capacity for basketball is listed as just under 15,000. Most NBA Clippers, Lakers) are under 20,000. Larger arenas are multipurpose. Any info on their plan? LA doesn't want San Diego to have a NBA or NHL team. They consider SD to be their market and they have 2 NBA and 2 NHL teams there. They also have two MSL teams though the fan draw for that covers a much smaller diameter. The Anaheim Ducks have their main farm team here; cheaper to move players up and down but mostly to establish a fan base here. If we were ever to try to attract an NBA or NHL team here the arena would have to be downtown and we would have to have a Paul Allen type to fund it push it through. We don't have a "Paul Allen" type of person here, never really had one in San Diego, and the money and power in LA to block such and thing is rather immense. A lot of those with money seem to be interested more in relocating out of California for obvious reasons. What??? But muh 6th largest economy and stuff! Don’t look at the rich poor disparity huge debt and massive crime increases because reasons. |
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Post by fastaztec on Jul 18, 2020 15:43:33 GMT -8
LA doesn't want San Diego to have a NBA or NHL team. They consider SD to be their market and they have 2 NBA and 2 NHL teams there. They also have two MSL teams though the fan draw for that covers a much smaller diameter. The Anaheim Ducks have their main farm team here; cheaper to move players up and down but mostly to establish a fan base here. If we were ever to try to attract an NBA or NHL team here the arena would have to be downtown and we would have to have a Paul Allen type to fund it push it through. We don't have a "Paul Allen" type of person here, never really had one in San Diego, and the money and power in LA to block such and thing is rather immense. A lot of those with money seem to be interested more in relocating out of California for obvious reasons. What??? But muh 6th largest economy and stuff! Don’t look at the rich poor disparity huge debt and massive crime increases because reasons. |
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Post by fastaztec on Jul 18, 2020 15:45:46 GMT -8
What??? But muh 6th largest economy and stuff! Don’t look at the rich poor disparity huge debt and massive crime increases because reasons. ************* How in the world can a "stadium approval " thread turn into this POS!! |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 18, 2020 17:48:00 GMT -8
************* How in the world can a "stadium approval " thread turn into this POS!! Just remember, your on AztecMesa where everything (90%+) goes off-track and gets petty and becomes personal! |
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Post by fisher1fan on Jul 19, 2020 11:51:19 GMT -8
************* How in the world can a "stadium approval " thread turn into this POS!! Just remember, your on AztecMesa where everything (90%+) goes off-track and gets petty and becomes personal! Let’s see your source and underlying statistics. Haha  |
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Post by Pasadenaztec on Jul 20, 2020 7:45:38 GMT -8
Does anyone know if they'll have a live camera on site to show the progress being made in the building of the new stadium?
I remember they had that when they built the JAM Center on campus....It was fun to check in every once in awhile to see how things were going.
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