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Post by sleepy on Jul 1, 2020 18:37:29 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. All that asphalt is definitely an eyesore, but at the same time, it's got some great memories all over it. From skinned knees and elbows and blackened shorts after tossing the football around, to quickly hiding beer bottles as patrol cars cruise slowly by, and drunkenly stumbling thru frat parties - getting dirty looks while on the way to a much better non-Greek party the next section over, even the often annoying people pushing their newspapers and magazines for a 'donation', and the long lines at the stank-infested porta-potties. But I'm looking forward to even better memories starting up in a few short years. I get that -- and I've got my own stockpile of those memories at The Murph, etc. But I sort of look at it like this: I was at Colorado State's Hughes Stadium in 1999, and I was at the Rams' almost brand-new stadium in 2019. Night and day. I'm sure the old-timers there in Fort Collins shed a tear as well, and then they had their first tailgate in the new digs. Game over. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 1, 2020 19:06:58 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. Hey guys here you go, if you want to feel old (again), Just look at the aerial photo's of UCSD a few years ago (try 30-40) and you will see MAJOR changes around that campus. Please try not to think about the sweetheart deal they got on that land but still look at the area and what has happened around that campus. I know location, location, location but it does have a lot of science, Bio Tech and other computer/telecom related stuff around the campus, which is due to the campus and its size. I hope SDSU/SDSU West can do the same for San Diego and surrounding areas. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 1, 2020 21:11:42 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. Hey guys here you go, if you want to feel old (again), Just look at the aerial photo's of UCSD a few years ago (try 30-40) and you will see MAJOR changes around that campus. Please try not to think about the sweetheart deal they got on that land but still look at the area and what has happened around that campus. I know location, location, location but it does have a lot of science, Bio Tech and other computer/telecom related stuff around the campus, which is due to the campus and its size. I hope SDSU/SDSU West can do the same for San Diego and surrounding areas. Most of the Sorrento Valley start ups were also due to the UCSD campus location. |
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 1, 2020 21:42:13 GMT -8
For you who live down there, could you answer a question I have? Is all this new SDSU land going to infringe on the retail buildings in Fashion Valley? Let alone are they still standing, since brick and mortar stores are going bye-bye. Shows you how long I've been away. SDSU West will be the least of the problems for Fashion and Mission Valley shopping centers. The Internet, Amazon and even Walmart will do them in along before SDSU West is done. The brutal traffic that effect the area once Adobie Falls and other tracts and projects are built-out way prior to SDSU West being completed. Once these things start getting built out Friars is going to be a mess and the trolley will never relive or replace the cars in the Valley. Mission and Fashion Valley's will soon be turned into Mixed/use (meaning high density housing). That will mean you can live above the Chessecake Factory while keeping and eye on a certain lingerie store along with waiting for new arrivals at the Nike Outlet store. *Disclaimer here, have not been to either of these shopping centers in over 15 years. I am not sure of the above store locations or proximity to one another, random names and stores used for examples only. Where are the plans for the Gondola or monorail from the main campus to the new SDSU West site? Maybe Elon will dig us a tunnel! ALL joking aside, I am really excited for this entire project, it's LONG OVER DUE for SDSU. Go Aztecs! |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 2, 2020 10:02:35 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 2, 2020 10:05:00 GMT -8
All that asphalt is definitely an eyesore, but at the same time, it's got some great memories all over it. From skinned knees and elbows and blackened shorts after tossing the football around, to quickly hiding beer bottles as patrol cars cruise slowly by, and drunkenly stumbling thru frat parties - getting dirty looks while on the way to a much better non-Greek party the next section over, even the often annoying people pushing their newspapers and magazines for a 'donation', and the long lines at the stank-infested porta-potties. But I'm looking forward to even better memories starting up in a few short years. sounds like we grew up together, that's what I remember about that asphalt jungle. I recall late summer games getting there early having a few "drinks" playing a little whatever getting the blood flowing working up a bit of a sweat having a few more "drinks" then sneaking in a few more "drinks" enjoying all the scenery around the stadium and then realizing I was not dressed for the temperature drop by the end of the game (BYU 52-52, sick for 2 weeks) What fun it was to be young and .............. ***For you younger kids here, this may have seemed like we were problem drinkers who par-took in Binge Drinking or drank to excess, you are wrong. We may or may not have been hiding deeper mental issues that may have went back to our childhood activities not being constantly observed and supervised by our helicopter parents. This along with not wearing the proper protective gear (ie helmets) may have lead to some questionable decisions in our game time prep (and or life choices). Don't you worry, we were and are trained professionals brought up by the derelicts that were just ahead of us (older brothers, coaches, uncles, teachers, weird dude down the street, random alumni.......). Tailgating done right is a true art-form for almost all sporting events! I'm still sick from that game and it has NOTHING to do with the weather.   |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 2, 2020 10:07:41 GMT -8
For you who live down there, could you answer a question I have? Is all this new SDSU land going to infringe on the retail buildings in Fashion Valley? Let alone are they still standing, since brick and mortar stores are going bye-bye. Shows you how long I've been away. The stadium site is contiguous with the IKEA and Home Depot on the west side. The site does not physically infringe on any retail sites. Google the SDCCU Stadium, click on the map and select satellite view to get a good look. |
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Post by sleepy on Jul 2, 2020 11:03:34 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. Good tip! And that fencing will be the first tangible indicator that this thing is a GO! |
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Post by aztech on Jul 2, 2020 12:10:23 GMT -8
You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. Good tip! And that fencing will be the first tangible indicator that this thing is a GO! How do you do a groundbreaking where there's no dirt to put the shovel? lol |
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Post by aztech on Jul 2, 2020 12:10:33 GMT -8
You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. Good tip! And that fencing will be the first tangible indicator that this thing is a GO! How do you do a groundbreaking where there's no dirt to put the shovel? lol |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 2, 2020 12:23:56 GMT -8
For you who live down there, could you answer a question I have? Is all this new SDSU land going to infringe on the retail buildings in Fashion Valley? Let alone are they still standing, since brick and mortar stores are going bye-bye. Shows you how long I've been away. The stadium site is contiguous with the IKEA and Home Depot on the west side. The site does not physically infringe on any retail sites. Google the SDCCU Stadium, click on the map and select satellite view to get a good look. Home Depot? Looks more like a Lowes to me. (I worked at HD for 25 years. Just picky about that.)  |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 2, 2020 12:25:55 GMT -8
Good tip! And that fencing will be the first tangible indicator that this thing is a GO! How do you do a groundbreaking where there's no dirt to put the shovel? lol They probably don't have to go very far to hit dirt. Have you seen the parking lot there lately? It's going to need mowing pretty soon, with weeds growing through what is left of the asphalt. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 2, 2020 12:30:05 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. Unfortunately, I don't think it really matters. I don't see large (if any) crowds for any home game this season. If they even play. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 2, 2020 12:55:18 GMT -8
The stadium site is contiguous with the IKEA and Home Depot on the west side. The site does not physically infringe on any retail sites. Google the SDCCU Stadium, click on the map and select satellite view to get a good look. Home Depot? Looks more like a Lowes to me. (I worked at HD for 25 years. Just picky about that.) My bad. You're correct. No idea how I did that after looking at the map myself. I understand why you wouldn't like me mixing up Lowes and Home Depot. That's like confusing University of San Diego and San Diego State University. No comparison. |
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Post by AzTex on Jul 2, 2020 13:00:57 GMT -8
You better get down there and get this picture sometime this month. The closing is scheduled to happen the first few days of August. Then immediately the construction fence will start to go up. It will surround every thing from the Mission Village Drive entrance south along the west edge of the stadium and all points west up to the west access road. That future 50 yard line will be inaccessible for most of us. Unfortunately, I don't think it really matters. I don't see large (if any) crowds for any home game this season. If they even play. It matters because he wants to get a picture of himself at the future 50 yard line. After the construction fence goes up first thing in August he would be able to get to that spot regardless of crowds or no crowds when/if football season starts.
Of course if he was willing to fake it he could wait. After all, one patch of parking lot weeds looks just like any other patch of parking lot weeds.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 2, 2020 17:44:30 GMT -8
Unfortunately, I don't think it really matters. I don't see large (if any) crowds for any home game this season. If they even play. It matters because he wants to get a picture of himself at the future 50 yard line. After the construction fence goes up first thing in August he would be able to get to that spot regardless of crowds or no crowds when/if football season starts. Of course if he was willing to fake it he could wait. After all, one patch of parking lot weeds looks just like any other patch of parking lot weeds.
Wasn't really thinking regarding a picture at the future 50-yard line. Hell, I might even try that. |
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Post by myownwords on Jul 3, 2020 8:44:45 GMT -8
You ever seen those old time aerial photos from when San Diego State College was first being built -- with canyons all around it and nothing but scrubland for miles in every direction? Just Hardy Tower and Hepner Hall and that's about it? Ever wonder what it would have been like to be there at the time? Well... This is sort of like that. On the day "Aztec for Life (or as long as it's convenient)" Mayor Kevin formally waves the white flag of surrender and inks the deal, I will definitely head on down to the asphalt hell that is SDCCU Stadium to take a selfie on what I presume will be the 50 yard line in a couple years. Then 60 years from now, people will look at it and wonder "What in the world were those people thinking when they put all that black tar all over creation?" I can not wait to watch this amazing transformation that I'm sure just about everybody here pitched on. I see it as our legacy to SDSU and our gift to San Diego's future. This will stand for 100 years. Hey guys here you go, if you want to feel old (again), Just look at the aerial photo's of UCSD a few years ago (try 30-40) and you will see MAJOR changes around that campus. Please try not to think about the sweetheart deal they got on that land but still look at the area and what has happened around that campus. I know location, location, location but it does have a lot of science, Bio Tech and other computer/telecom related stuff around the campus, which is due to the campus and its size. I hope SDSU/SDSU West can do the same for San Diego and surrounding areas. Good observation jp92grad, but the very photo which has amazed you, also reveals the answer as to why SDSU's prospects of generating similar results are very limited. The birth of UCSD in the 60's (or 50's?) was spawned in an area of I-can-see-forever vacant land to the east and somewhat to the south and north. Then (which was no surprise to the university) I-5 was built, then I-805, then Highway 52. All of those landmarks spurred further growth. We, at Mission Valley, have very few of those opportunities--other than the site itself. The surrounding area is already heavily developed in all directions. I do see some RE-development potential however, but it will be painfully slow, due to anti-development sentiment festering and taking root in the past 20 years. |
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Post by namssa on Jul 3, 2020 13:06:06 GMT -8
You never know. For instance, the Mission Valley Mall might eventually go bankrupt (which is likely) and just sit there for years and be available for purchase. This large area of land would be a only a few more trolley stops and could serve as another campus expansion in the future. That is just one example.
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Post by jp92grad on Jul 3, 2020 14:37:57 GMT -8
Hey guys here you go, if you want to feel old (again), Just look at the aerial photo's of UCSD a few years ago (try 30-40) and you will see MAJOR changes around that campus. Please try not to think about the sweetheart deal they got on that land but still look at the area and what has happened around that campus. I know location, location, location but it does have a lot of science, Bio Tech and other computer/telecom related stuff around the campus, which is due to the campus and its size. I hope SDSU/SDSU West can do the same for San Diego and surrounding areas. Good observation jp92grad, but the very photo which has amazed you, also reveals the answer as to why SDSU's prospects of generating similar results are very limited. The birth of UCSD in the 60's (or 50's?) was spawned in an area of I-can-see-forever vacant land to the east and somewhat to the south and north. Then (which was no surprise to the university) I-5 was built, then I-805, then Highway 52. All of those landmarks spurred further growth. We, at Mission Valley, have very few of those opportunities--other than the site itself. The surrounding area is already heavily developed in all directions. I do see some RE-development potential however, but it will be painfully slow, due to anti-development sentiment festering and taking root in the past 20 years. I was thinking more inline with the city working with SDSU and not against them in the coming development. This site could really help to create more jobs not just onsite but also the surrounding areas. The UCSD land grant was no mistake, they knew what was planned for the area and the value of that property well before turning over the land. The area was pretty well planned out even the old maps (50-60's) show the 56 basically right where it is today and not built until 40-50 years later. I know the city had nothing to do with building highways but they did see where they were going. This is where the city needs to understand that with their support and help now it will pay off in the long run. This project could be, if done right and in a timely manner a huge asset to the area. Who knows what is going to happen to the shopping malls in the area but right now SDSU is in a position to change the look and feel of the entire valley and at the same time really increase the prestige of the Aztec name. I just want to see the entire project built out not just the stadium, call me greedy or whatever you want. I just want to see it built in my life time I hate the San Diego delays. I have seen them for well over 50 years. |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 11, 2020 10:40:33 GMT -8
It’s been a long journey. JD being killed on the radio. Landon Donovan making fun of SDSU, JD, Ziegler and just being obnoxious and lie after lie. The La Jolla moneymen who were doing everything out of the kindness of their hearts. SDSU West coming to life. SD radio hosts claiming we’d be playing at Grossmont college. The soccer bro’s. SDSU stayed the course and got the city onboard with the vision and not only won but did what a “billionaire” couldn’t do. I can’t wait till we start moving dirt. The best part is, if SD Loyal (currently coached by Landon Donovan) outgrows Torero Stadium, there is only one other stadium they can play in locally in 2022. The new Aztec Stadium. They have ruled that out, at least in the short term of 7-10 years. They are looking to construct a modular 15,000 stadium as part of the Toll Brother's proposal for the sports arena site. That would cost $15-20M. Their eventual plan would follow the Sacramento scenario to build a permanent stadium of at least 20K seats optimized for soccer though they don't rule out the SDSU stadium as a potential site in the long term but most MSL stadiums are less than 25K seats. If professional football should lose some popularity then a larger venue for San Diego - which only has one professional team playing that the top level - might make sense. When LA initially lost their NFL teams viewership of games went up because they were given the best game matchups each week but, eventually, that viewership shrank due to the fact that they no longer had a team to root for: "We’re confident that we can build the right size to basically make sure that the environment is fun, exciting and ultimately the fans win,” said the executive, who oversaw the USL Sacramento club’s move into a modular venue. He added: “We want to give multiple reasons for fans to come to a match. Not just the soccer, but the bands beforehand, the ability for kids to play on miniature soccer fields.”
Smith said the team’s longer-range plan is to play in a modular stadium for seven to 10 years and become popular enough to move into a “brick and mortar” venue that would hold at least 20,000 fans, as the Sacramento club did.
He said he gave consideration to SD Loyal becoming a tenant at San Diego State’s football stadium, which school officials plan to open in 2022. He decided the venue, at 35,000 seats, would be too big for the fledgling soccer club.
“The worst thing we can do in any sporting venue is to build an overabundance of seats,” said Smith, who also oversaw operations with an MLS team in Portland and a minor league baseball club in Oakland. “Basically when you have an oversupply, people won’t buy season tickets because they know they can get tickets on the back end. This is a way for us to, in essence, control the supply curve, like we’re doing at Torero, but be able to grow and accommodate in a meaningful way.”[/i]
Under the Toll Brothers plan the sports arena would undergo a $125M renovation and will include a 3,500 seat music venue.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/soccer/story/2020-07-10/sd-loyal-soccer-team-plans-stadium-near-point-loma-chargers-east-village-usl
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