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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 16:54:19 GMT -8
I mean you just said you want Trump setting policy. Just in the last two weeks he's done : Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Committed likely treason against the U.S. military. Endorsed a video of a man in Florida screaming "white power." Refute it, please. I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it. sorry John, he heard it. Or...he's so f****** stupid it should be the biggest red flag of them all... he heard it.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 28, 2020 16:57:24 GMT -8
Man the right wingers on here are bending so far for this guy it looks like Gumby. So trump either tweeted something to millions of people he didn't listen to, or he heard it and tweeted it anyway. Do you realize how bad each of these scenarios is??? If any president of the last 50 years did that..they might be done. "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue....". Sad, people (cops, people protecting their livelihood, protesters, bystanders) have been injured, shot & murdered on any number of 5th Avenues in the USA over the last few weeks and the Democrats and fellow travelers could seemingly care less (and they even donate for the prep's bail), so spare us the pseudo-righteous take on blind obidence without caring about morality.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:00:17 GMT -8
I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it. sorry John, he heard it. Or...he's so f****** stupid it should be the biggest red flag of them all... he heard it. If it could be proven that he did, then I wouldn't vote for him. I'm still waiting until closer to the election to decide whom I'm going to vote for. I always give the benefit of the doubt, or at least try to, and listen to both sides. Listening to both sides is not something I've done in the past, so I'm trying.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 17:04:24 GMT -8
Man the right wingers on here are bending so far for this guy it looks like Gumby. So trump either tweeted something to millions of people he didn't listen to, or he heard it and tweeted it anyway. Do you realize how bad each of these scenarios is??? If any president of the last 50 years did that..they might be done. "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue....". Sad, people (cops, people protecting their livelihood, protesters, bystanders) have been injured, shot & murdered on any number of 5th Avenues in the USA over the last few weeks and the Democrats and fellow travelers could seemingly care less (and they even donate for the prep's bail), so spare us the pseudo-righteous take on blind obidence without caring about morality. deflect much?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:04:46 GMT -8
I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it. It's literally 5 seconds into the video. Good luck with that theory. You don't change at all, unfortunately. Here's a hint : The president is a white nationalist. He SUPPORTS this. I certainly have changed my approach to this election. I'm listening to both sides, thank you very much. Just because I have an opinion that doesn't favor yours all the time, doesn't mean I have changed my thought process on the election. I like to hear both side now, as I've said.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 17:05:17 GMT -8
sorry John, he heard it. Or...he's so f****** stupid it should be the biggest red flag of them all... he heard it. If it could be proven that he did, then I wouldn't vote for him. I'm still waiting until closer to the election to decide whom I'm going to vote for. I always give the benefit of the doubt, or at least try to, and listen to both sides. Listening to both sides is not something I've done in the past, so I'm trying. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt with the pattern of behavior that he's displayed. It's mind numbingly crazy how many acts he can get away with that just cause people to shrug and look the other way.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:10:10 GMT -8
If it could be proven that he did, then I wouldn't vote for him. I'm still waiting until closer to the election to decide whom I'm going to vote for. I always give the benefit of the doubt, or at least try to, and listen to both sides. Listening to both sides is not something I've done in the past, so I'm trying. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt with the pattern of behavior that he's displayed. It's mind numbingly crazy how many acts he can get away with that just cause people to shrug and look the other way. There's so many of your accusations about the President that have a different side to it. I'm reading everything on here. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm listening to both. Like I've said before, he's not the best person in the world, but the way our Country was going before the Pandemic, is what keeps me interested in voting for him. I'm really afraid that if Biden gets in there, our country will go to s##t. But, I'm making no judgment until closer to the election.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 17:11:13 GMT -8
Racism is actually a Progressive plank, not a Conservative one. Broken down to its most basic level: Liberals hold that Individual Rights have primacy over Collective Rights. Progressives hold that Collective Rights have primacy over Individual Rights. Race is a collective, and those who would treat one collective different from another based on their collective designation is by definition Progressive. That transcends left or right. Tens of thousands of black people in the late 1800's/early 1900's where sterilized in California by GOP Progressives in the name of advancing society. Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican Progressive and Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat Progressive. Over time the ideals held by political parties change, but not so with ideologies. Right now it is the Democrats who have taken on the Progressive cause. California is trying to repeal the old racial equality laws so California Democrats can pass new laws that treat people differently based on their skin color. Collectivism has a long history of going bad. I vote against collectivism. Since you vote for ideas and not people, exactly what ideas does Donald Trump have that are worthy of support? Leadership matters. It has to. This idea of voting in the abstract ignores the burden of a presidential standard that Donald Trump has failed for 3 1/2 years. There are a bunch, but reason #1 is the nomination of originalist/textualist judges. That is not to say I’ve been happy with all of his judicial picks. For example, I think Kavanaugh was a weak pick and the nod should have been given to Amy Coney Barrett, but Trump has been doing a lot of filling vacancies with judges who actually look at laws rather than ruling via how they feel justice should be served.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 17:20:00 GMT -8
He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt with the pattern of behavior that he's displayed. It's mind numbingly crazy how many acts he can get away with that just cause people to shrug and look the other way. There's so many of your accusations about the President that have a different side to it. I'm reading everything on here. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm listening to both. Like I've said before, he's not the best person in the world, but the way our Country was going before the Pandemic, is what keeps me interested in voting for him. I'm really afraid that if Biden gets in there, our country will go to s##t. But, I'm making no judgment until closer to the election. hate to say this John..but "will go to $#!+"?? This is the most in the shitter I have seen the US in my life time (66 years)!..how can it go more to $#!+? You think you have seen violence and anarchy..do you know what would happen if Trump 2?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:25:03 GMT -8
There's so many of your accusations about the President that have a different side to it. I'm reading everything on here. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm listening to both. Like I've said before, he's not the best person in the world, but the way our Country was going before the Pandemic, is what keeps me interested in voting for him. I'm really afraid that if Biden gets in there, our country will go to s##t. But, I'm making no judgment until closer to the election. hate to say this John..but "will go to $#!+"?? This is the most in the shitter I have seen the US in my life time (66 years)!..how can it go more to $#!+? You think you have seen violence and anarchy..do you know what would happen if Trump 2? I'm referring to how the Country was going before the Pandemic. A lot of highs. I definitely agree that the Country is under a lot of stress now obviuosly, and I feel like it's not all the Presidents doing. I would say that about Obama, Biden, or whoever happened to be the President at this time.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 17:27:43 GMT -8
hate to say this John..but "will go to $#!+"?? This is the most in the shitter I have seen the US in my life time (66 years)!..how can it go more to $#!+? You think you have seen violence and anarchy..do you know what would happen if Trump 2? I'm referring to how the Country was going before the Pandemic. A lot of highs. I definitely agree that the Country is under a lot of stress now obviuosly, and I feel like it's not all the Presidents doing. I would say that about Obama, Biden, or whoever happened to be the President at this time. Still holding onto those numbers that were created under the previous administration, I see. How about 127,000? As in dead Americans. But yay for low unemployment.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 17:35:28 GMT -8
Since you vote for ideas and not people, exactly what ideas does Donald Trump have that are worthy of support? Leadership matters. It has to. This idea of voting in the abstract ignores the burden of a presidential standard that Donald Trump has failed for 3 1/2 years. There are a bunch, but reason #1 is the nomination of originalist/textualist judges. That is not to say I’ve been happy with all of his judicial picks. For example, I think Kavanaugh was a weak pick and the nod should have been given to Amy Coney Barrett, but Trump has been doing a lot of filling vacancies with judges who actually look at laws rather than ruling via how they feel justice should be served. First president since Nixon to not appoint an African American judge for an appeals court. All he's done is create a court that he seems is compelled or obligated to serve him. His latest pick is a voter suppression denier in the largest region of people of color in this country. Bang up job.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 28, 2020 17:36:06 GMT -8
Sad, people (cops, people protecting their livelihood, protesters, bystanders) have been injured, shot & murdered on any number of 5th Avenues in the USA over the last few weeks and the Democrats and fellow travelers could seemingly care less (and they even donate for the prep's bail), so spare us the pseudo-righteous take on blind obidence without caring about morality. deflect much? Hypocritical much?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 17:38:32 GMT -8
Says the guy who cannot refute a single point with a straight answer on literally anything. It turns into process argument and codewords instead of just a simple rebuttal.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 17:40:26 GMT -8
hate to say this John..but "will go to $#!+"?? This is the most in the shitter I have seen the US in my life time (66 years)!..how can it go more to $#!+? You think you have seen violence and anarchy..do you know what would happen if Trump 2? I'm referring to how the Country was going before the Pandemic. A lot of highs. I definitely agree that the Country is under a lot of stress now obviuosly, and I feel like it's not all the Presidents doing. I would say that about Obama, Biden, or whoever happened to be the President at this time. John, even before the recent events Trump was gaslighting the public to a level never seen before. There were women I've known all my life who have never hated anybody...I thought they were incapable of hatred. After trump I heard the same women say things that guys say when nobody is around. Like I wish that MF was dead. Do you know what it would take to get perfectly passive people to say that? Yes, money was good, but there was an underlying unhappiness and unease that was palpable. Trump loves to divide, insult and gloat. You can get away with that first a while, but eventually the knives will come out if anything goes wrong. We are in the shitter yes because if Covid and unrest...but it is exacerbated by trump. He is more toxic than anyone I have ever seen.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 17:42:11 GMT -8
dont like your own medicine much?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:47:44 GMT -8
I'm referring to how the Country was going before the Pandemic. A lot of highs. I definitely agree that the Country is under a lot of stress now obviuosly, and I feel like it's not all the Presidents doing. I would say that about Obama, Biden, or whoever happened to be the President at this time. John, even before the recent events Trump was gaslighting the public to a level never seen before. There were women I've known all my life who have never hated anybody...I thought they were incapable of hatred. After trump I heard the same women say things that guys say when nobody is around. Like I wish that MF was dead. Do you know what it would take to get perfectly passive people to say that? Yes, money was good, but there was an underlying unhappiness and unease that was palpable. Trump loves to divide, insult and gloat. You can get away with that first a while, but eventually the knives will come out if anything goes wrong. We are in the shitter yes because if Covid and unrest...but it is exacerbated by trump. He is more toxic than anyone I have ever seen. I agree with A LOT of this. The underlying issue with him is what I really don't like, along with the environmental issues.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 17:58:13 GMT -8
I'm referring to how the Country was going before the Pandemic. A lot of highs. I definitely agree that the Country is under a lot of stress now obviuosly, and I feel like it's not all the Presidents doing. I would say that about Obama, Biden, or whoever happened to be the President at this time. Still holding onto those numbers that were created under the previous administration, I see. How about 127,000? As in dead Americans. But yay for low unemployment. I agree that Obama did a good job bringing back the economy after 2008, but there's a point where you have to give a President his due if he maintains that, and exceeds what the previous administration started. Same goes in the coaching world. If an HC takes over a team that already had a lot of talent, and maintained or exceeded the past coaching staffs achievements, you have to give that new HC his due. I see it often where a new HC will come in and do well with the previous Coaches recruits and people will say, he did that with the other coaches recruits. At some point that doesn't matter.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 18:20:40 GMT -8
Still holding onto those numbers that were created under the previous administration, I see. How about 127,000? As in dead Americans. But yay for low unemployment. I agree that Obama did a good job bringing back the economy after 2008, but there's a point where you have to give a President his due if he maintains that, and exceeds what the previous administration started. Same goes in the coaching world. If an HC takes over a team that already had a lot of talent, and maintained or exceeded the past coaching staffs achievements, you have to give that new HC his due. I see it often where a new HC will come in and do well with the previous Coaches recruits and people will say, he did that with the other coaches recruits. At some point that doesn't matter. They are empty and largely meaningless numbers, as you have now seen. They were undone in the span of 90 days, thanks to this trainwreck of an admimistration. Political talking points, with no substance. Take away the empty stats and you're left with racism, cowardice, hatred and petulant behavior.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 21:30:49 GMT -8
I agree that Obama did a good job bringing back the economy after 2008, but there's a point where you have to give a President his due if he maintains that, and exceeds what the previous administration started. Same goes in the coaching world. If an HC takes over a team that already had a lot of talent, and maintained or exceeded the past coaching staffs achievements, you have to give that new HC his due. I see it often where a new HC will come in and do well with the previous Coaches recruits and people will say, he did that with the other coaches recruits. At some point that doesn't matter. They are empty and largely meaningless numbers, as you have now seen. They were undone in the span of 90 days, thanks to this trainwreck of an admimistration. Political talking points, with no substance. Take away the empty stats and you're left with racism, cowardice, hatred and petulant behavior. Well, when you basically shut down a country and just about everybody goes home. I'm just sayin Ryan.
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