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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 12:46:24 GMT -8
Where did I say I prefer AOC and Talib to set US policy?? They are non-players. Trump is President. I can think of a lot of Republicans I would rather have setting US policy than trump...want me to list them?? If you are as "serious" as you like to portray yourself, then you know that is effectively the choice we are given. AOC, Talib and the extreme left is in the driver seat of the Democrat Communist Party. So your preference is? So, to be in charge of the whack job far right party, I'd take: Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Steve Schmidt, George Will, Malcolm Nance, George Conway, Bill Krystal, Ric Wilson, Mitt Romney, James Mattis, Lisa Murkowsky...reason? these people are not fuggin insane.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 13:30:51 GMT -8
Yawn. I see your accusations are of your usual standard. Taking them in order: Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Trump can’t remove discrimination protection laws because he can’t remove laws. The US President is in the Executive Branch and that isn’t a power of the Executive Branch. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. He wasn’t trying to repeal DACA because DACA was never a law so there was no law or congressional act to repeal. Trump was attempting to end a program created by Executive Act. Trump has even added that he’s willing to sign into law a DACA-like bill but congress refuses to pass it. If you want DACA to be the law of the land then lobby your congresspeople. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Trump is not a plaintiff in the case challenging the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act. I’ve linked the actual filing below so you can read the list of plaintiffs for yourself. Once the ACA is declared unconstitutional, it will be the job of the Legislative Branch to craft replacement legislation, not the Executive Branch. affordablecareactlitigation.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/177111358274.pdfCommitted likely treason against the U.S. military. I’m sure this is in relation to Russians paying bounties for dead US soldiers to Afghanistan fighters which you are somehow blaming on Trump but I don’t suppose you have any proof that Trump instructed the Russians to pay bounties, do you?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 28, 2020 13:44:44 GMT -8
I mean you just said you want Trump setting policy. Just in the last two weeks he's done : Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Committed likely treason against the U.S. military. Endorsed a video of a man in Florida screaming "white power." Refute it, please. Are we a country of laws or not? Are aliens that entered the US without proper documentation here illegally or not? If illegal and if Obama didn't have the legal authority to create the DACA class of immigrant (proven in court), can't it be rightly opposed for the sake of the slippery slope it creates? Should private religious institutions be forced to employ people with lifestyles that are not consistent with their beliefs? If you think so, then we disagree. Should a Jewish center be forced to hire a Islamist, for example? If not, why should a Roman Catholic Church be forced to hire a pro-abortion transvestite? Is the ACA the one and only law that could ever be made to address increased access to medical care? Is it the best law as it increased premiums, reduced choices and introduced delays and restrictions not previously known? Opposition to the ACA is not unreasonable and legal challenges are not clairvoyant as far as timing. Can't replace it given the filibuster, so one step at a time. If ruled invalid, then the Democrats will be more likely to compromise. New York Times and an anonymous source, I gather? Please name some names and post the text of the briefing. What a bunch of phony pollyannas! The people were in the throws of protest counter-protest. Vile things were said on both sides. Words primarily, no crimes. Can you please tell me how many times Democrats retweeted images of protests that had instances of or later resulted in murder, mayhem, vandalism, etc? Does that mean the Democrats who retweeted are similarly criminal? Or is this simply a gotcha moment with faux outrage? A mistake, admittedly, as he probably liked the support but failed to grasp the opportunity it gave to race- baiting racists. The ludicrousness of some old guy yelling "white power" in a shouting match in a verbal fight between protesters in Florida and the left saying "see, I knew it about Trump all along" smacks of obsession.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2020 13:50:42 GMT -8
I mean you just said you want Trump setting policy. Just in the last two weeks he's done : Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Committed likely treason against the U.S. military. Endorsed a video of a man in Florida screaming "white power." Refute it, please. I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 13:52:53 GMT -8
Yawn. I see your accusations are of your usual standard. Taking them in order: Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Trump can’t remove discrimination protection laws because he can’t remove laws. The US President is in the Executive Branch and that isn’t a power of the Executive Branch. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. He wasn’t trying to repeal DACA because DACA was never a law so there was no law or congressional act to repeal. Trump was attempting to end a program created by Executive Act. Trump has even added that he’s willing to sign into law a DACA-like bill but congress refuses to pass it. If you want DACA to be the law of the land then lobby your congresspeople. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Trump is not a plaintiff in the case challenging the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act. I’ve linked the actual filing below so you can read the list of plaintiffs for yourself. Once the ACA is declared unconstitutional, it will be the job of the Legislative Branch to craft replacement legislation, not the Executive Branch. affordablecareactlitigation.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/177111358274.pdfCommitted likely treason against the U.S. military. I’m sure this is in relation to Russians paying bounties for dead US soldiers to Afghanistan fighters which you are somehow blaming on Trump but I don’t suppose you have any proof that Trump instructed the Russians to pay bounties, do you? You missed one. You're absolutely delusional. I can't help it that you want to argue semantics and non-important distinctions that don't change the importance or truth of the words. What happened happened, was and is real. The president was "disappointed" that LGBTQ worker's rights weren't removed by the SCOTUS. His words, not mine. He claims he was never briefed about the Russian bounties (which has been debunked as nonsense and has been confirmed by multiple sources) but let's pretend that's true. A reasonable and actually competent president would immediately order an investigation, convene the NSC, announce sanctions or possible action against Russia, offer some kind of apology to the American people. He went golfing with Lindsay Graham instead. So he's either a liar or a coward. Take your pick.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 13:54:19 GMT -8
I mean you just said you want Trump setting policy. Just in the last two weeks he's done : Removed discrimination protection laws against LGBTQ citizens. Fought in the Supreme Court to repeal DACA. Actively trying to repeal the ACA in the Supreme Court to remove up to 23 million people of health insurance in the middle of a pandemic, with no concrete plan to replace it (straight from Alex Azar) Committed likely treason against the U.S. military. Endorsed a video of a man in Florida screaming "white power." Refute it, please. I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it. It's literally 5 seconds into the video. Good luck with that theory. You don't change at all, unfortunately. Here's a hint : The president is a white nationalist. He SUPPORTS this.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 14:01:09 GMT -8
I HIGHLY doubt he knew/heard the white power thing. He definitely wants to win the election, not lose it. It's literally 5 seconds into the video. Good luck with that theory. You don't change at all, unfortunately. Here's a hint : The president is a white nationalist. He SUPPORTS this. 8 seconds. But yeah, he never heard it.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 14:18:33 GMT -8
He claims he was never briefed about the Russian bounties (which has been debunked as nonsense and has been confirmed by multiple sources) but let's pretend that's true. Even if he were briefed, that still isn't treason. ...And apologize to the American people for the Russians paying bounties? Get real. You are acting as if Trump were paying bounties. He wasn't.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 14:26:51 GMT -8
He claims he was never briefed about the Russian bounties (which has been debunked as nonsense and has been confirmed by multiple sources) but let's pretend that's true. Even if he were briefed, that still isn't treason. ...And apologize to the American people for the Russians paying bounties? Get real. You are acting as if Trump were paying bounties. He wasn't. He was aware of it. Anyone with a brain can see through the charade, outside of the truly committed Kool-Aid drowning victims. What did he do in response? Nothing.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 14:27:24 GMT -8
Aztecryan has endorsed a video of a man in Florida screaming "white power." 7th grade attempts to be funny. Hey, libel!
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 14:28:26 GMT -8
Even if he were briefed, that still isn't treason. ...And apologize to the American people for the Russians paying bounties? Get real. You are acting as if Trump were paying bounties. He wasn't. He was aware of it. Anyone with a brain can see through the charade, outside of the truly committed Kool-Aid drowning victims. What did he do in response? Nothing. Still. Not. Treason.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 14:29:33 GMT -8
7th grade attempts to be funny. Hey, libel! Yes. You caught me before I got it deleted.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 14:35:51 GMT -8
He was aware of it. Anyone with a brain can see through the charade, outside of the truly committed Kool-Aid drowning victims. What did he do in response? Nothing. Still. Not. Treason. Being knowingly aware of a foreign government having a TERRORIST group place assassination hits out on American service members and pushing for the inviting of Russia back into the G8 fold afterwards is, by definition, "betraying one's country." Try again.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 14:51:10 GMT -8
Being knowingly aware of a foreign government having a TERRORIST group place assassination hits out on American service members and pushing for the inviting of Russia back into the G8 fold afterwards is, by definition, "betraying one's country." Try again. You don't seem to know what Treason is (18 U.S. Code § 2381). Giving an endorsement for the G8 isn't even close. No one is going to put Trump on trial, convict him, and put him to death for a G8 endorsement.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 15:06:38 GMT -8
Being knowingly aware of a foreign government having a TERRORIST group place assassination hits out on American service members and pushing for the inviting of Russia back into the G8 fold afterwards is, by definition, "betraying one's country." Try again. You don't seem to know what Treason is (18 U.S. Code § 2381). Giving an endorsement for the G8 isn't even close. No one is going to put Trump on trial, convict him, and put him to death for a G8 endorsement. That part of it is largely inconsequential. "Betraying one's country" is the important part. And that's the literal definition. So, again, try harder. Is there anything that you can be told where you would question Donald Trump? Honest question.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 15:43:52 GMT -8
You don't seem to know what Treason is (18 U.S. Code § 2381). Giving an endorsement for the G8 isn't even close. No one is going to put Trump on trial, convict him, and put him to death for a G8 endorsement. That part of it is largely inconsequential. "Betraying one's country" is the important part. And that's the literal definition. So, again, try harder. Is there anything that you can be told where you would question Donald Trump? Honest question. Honest answer: Of course. I don’t think Donald Trump is a good person but then I don’t vote for people. I support ideas and cast my votes in ways that can facilitate those ideals. The post Koch Brothers GOP is much closer to that ideal than are the current Democrats. Personally I get along great with Liberals and could easily find myself supporting one. It is Progressives that I fight tooth and claw. Sadly there aren’t many Liberals left in the Democrat party. Even mainstream Democrats are now Progressives if you dig more than surface deep. For me it wouldn’t matter what Trump did if the other choice is ideologically Progressive. That is an easy choice.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 15:54:19 GMT -8
That part of it is largely inconsequential. "Betraying one's country" is the important part. And that's the literal definition. So, again, try harder. Is there anything that you can be told where you would question Donald Trump? Honest question. Honest answer: Of course. I don’t think Donald Trump is a good person but then I don’t vote for people. I support ideas and cast my votes in ways that can facilitate those ideals. The post Koch Brothers GOP is much closer to that ideal than are the current Democrats. Personally I get along great with Liberals and could easily find myself supporting one. It is Progressives that I fight tooth and claw. Sadly there aren’t many Liberals left in the Democrat party. Even mainstream Democrats are now Progressives if you dig more than surface deep. For me it wouldn’t matter what Trump did if the other choice is ideologically Progressive. That is an easy choice. That's disturbing, but predictable. Why the cult definition sticks, unfortunately. Progressives believe in social reform, change and improvement. Donald Trump believes in racism and hate, with the eradication of civil liberties for targeted groups of people. Seems like a really easy choice, yeah. Seems like a pretty easy choice, yeah.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jun 28, 2020 16:26:15 GMT -8
Honest answer: Of course. I don’t think Donald Trump is a good person but then I don’t vote for people. I support ideas and cast my votes in ways that can facilitate those ideals. The post Koch Brothers GOP is much closer to that ideal than are the current Democrats. Personally I get along great with Liberals and could easily find myself supporting one. It is Progressives that I fight tooth and claw. Sadly there aren’t many Liberals left in the Democrat party. Even mainstream Democrats are now Progressives if you dig more than surface deep. For me it wouldn’t matter what Trump did if the other choice is ideologically Progressive. That is an easy choice. That's disturbing, but predictable. Why the cult definition sticks, unfortunately. Progressives believe in social reform, change and improvement. Donald Trump believes in racism and hate, with the eradication of civil liberties for targeted groups of people. Seems like a really easy choice, yeah. Seems like a pretty easy choice, yeah. Racism is actually a Progressive plank, not a Conservative one. Broken down to its most basic level: Liberals hold that Individual Rights have primacy over Collective Rights. Progressives hold that Collective Rights have primacy over Individual Rights. Race is a collective, and those who would treat one collective different from another based on their collective designation is by definition Progressive. That transcends left or right. Tens of thousands of black people in the late 1800's/early 1900's where sterilized in California by GOP Progressives in the name of advancing society. Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican Progressive and Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat Progressive. Over time the ideals held by political parties change, but not so with ideologies. Right now it is the Democrats who have taken on the Progressive cause. California is trying to repeal the old racial equality laws so California Democrats can pass new laws that treat people differently based on their skin color. Collectivism has a long history of going bad. I vote against collectivism.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2020 16:35:00 GMT -8
That's disturbing, but predictable. Why the cult definition sticks, unfortunately. Progressives believe in social reform, change and improvement. Donald Trump believes in racism and hate, with the eradication of civil liberties for targeted groups of people. Seems like a really easy choice, yeah. Seems like a pretty easy choice, yeah. Racism is actually a Progressive plank, not a Conservative one. Broken down to its most basic level: Liberals hold that Individual Rights have primacy over Collective Rights. Progressives hold that Collective Rights have primacy over Individual Rights. Race is a collective, and those who would treat one collective different from another based on their collective designation is by definition Progressive. That transcends left or right. Tens of thousands of black people in the late 1800's/early 1900's where sterilized in California by GOP Progressives in the name of advancing society. Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican Progressive and Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat Progressive. Over time the ideals held by political parties change, but not so with ideologies. Right now it is the Democrats who have taken on the Progressive cause. California is trying to repeal the old racial equality laws so California Democrats can pass new laws that treat people differently based on their skin color. Collectivism has a long history of going bad. I vote against collectivism. Since you vote for ideas and not people, exactly what ideas does Donald Trump have that are worthy of support? Leadership matters. It has to. This idea of voting in the abstract ignores the burden of a presidential standard that Donald Trump has failed for 3 1/2 years.
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2020 16:48:00 GMT -8
Man the right wingers on here are bending so far for this guy it looks like Gumby. So trump either tweeted something to millions of people he didn't listen to, or he heard it and tweeted it anyway. Do you realize how bad each of these scenarios is??? If any president of the last 50 years did that..they might be done. "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue....".
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