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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 3, 2020 6:40:16 GMT -8
I'd be somewhat interested to see the revenue now in WBB vs the revenue during our sweet 16 year with Beth Burns as HC, or the year after. Seems like if its a non revenue sport and you're going to spend money on a coach you may as well make it a winning coach. When the contract expires, why not hire someone else instead to see if you can get a winner in here?
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 3, 2020 6:46:49 GMT -8
They renewed her contract so your comments about bring someone else on is moot. And I never understand why so many folks on here complain about the coach when most haven’t even attended a game. Uhhhhh, winning puts people in the seats. Especially in San Diego. There hasn't been a lot of winning lately for Aztecs WBB. And lately is being nice. What was the highest avg attendance by year or in a season |
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 3, 2020 8:35:15 GMT -8
I have mixed feelings on this. I like coach Terry a lot as a person, and I see her and her assistants all over the recruiting trail, both locally and on the road at the big tournaments. But the improvement I expected by now just isn't there. I've been to some games where the team shows little energy or discipline on the court. Recently, I went to a home game against USD where our 'little sisters' completely blew us out, and the Toreros weren't even very good that year. That should never happen.
When my daughter was out on the recruiting trail, we met a few dynamic D-2 coaches that would hit the ground running with this job. One example - Shanele Stires at Cal State East Bay. Enthusiastic, in your face (in a good way), former WNBA player, who would definitely bring discipline and accountability to this team. But, as someone else already mentioned, the point is moot. Stacie's contract has already been extended. Let's hope our new recruits will get us moving forward.
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2020 8:45:27 GMT -8
wonder if JD contacted current and past players about their thoughts about the coach and recruits coming in - to get their opinion
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 3, 2020 10:12:10 GMT -8
Uhhhhh, winning puts people in the seats. Especially in San Diego. There hasn't been a lot of winning lately for Aztecs WBB. And lately is being nice. What was the highest avg attendance by year or in a season Only 1133, which was actually broken by Terry's team a couple years ago (1510, albeit spiked by a few games). I believe average attendance is something around 750-800 or so this year if not higher, given a couple well attended games, so we're talking about a fall off of around 300 fans from the BEST season under Burns. 300 x $12 (close to an average ticket price) = $3600 per game, or thereabouts, or a lost revenue of around $60k from the BEST attended year (& actually less since prices were lower back then). Burns was basically making what Terry is now, give or take $15-$20k, so financially the department isn't in any worse shape today than it was then when it comes to WBB. And Terry actually does a good job of fundraising & building relationships with donors. goaztecs.com/news/2018/2/12/W_Hoops_Sets_Attendance_Record.aspx |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 12:08:21 GMT -8
What was the highest avg attendance by year or in a season Only 1133, which was actually broken by Terry's team a couple years ago (1510, albeit spiked by a few games). I believe average attendance is something around 750-800 or so this year if not higher, given a couple well attended games, so we're talking about a fall off of around 300 fans from the BEST season under Burns. 300 x $12 (close to an average ticket price) = $3600 per game, or thereabouts, or a lost revenue of around $60k from the BEST attended year (& actually less since prices were lower back then). Burns was basically making what Terry is now, give or take $15-$20k, so financially the department isn't in any worse shape today than it was then when it comes to WBB. And Terry actually does a good job of fundraising & building relationships with donors. goaztecs.com/news/2018/2/12/W_Hoops_Sets_Attendance_Record.aspxWell, I hope this works out and Terry can turn things around. She certainly has had a lot of time to change things. So you might understand some of the frustrations coming from Aztec fans. I know SDSU is in an interesting situation in regards to its athletic budgets. But would Terry be given more opportunity at other universities in the same boat financially? Anyway, good luck to Aztecs WBB!! |
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Post by standiego on Apr 3, 2020 12:15:05 GMT -8
Big question why 4 year extension
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 3, 2020 12:26:19 GMT -8
Big question why 4 year extension Recruiting. You want your players/recruits to believe she'll be around. Other teams start using that against you if a school were to only offer a 1 or 2 year contract. It's standard to have your coach signed 3+ years out, and the fact she's trending up this year validates it. They can build in lower buyouts with a new contract as well, so while it may be a 4 year contract the buyout after year 2 may be very low (both ways). |
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Post by tonatiuh on Apr 3, 2020 20:14:09 GMT -8
Your tax dollars at work. With benefits, Stacie Terry gets...ahem...earns $325,000 per year. For you math majors, that's $27,000 per month, every month, month after month. That's ridiculous. $325,000 for what? Wait a minute zurac315! Stacie Terry Hutson has her team with high GPA each semester, and she won 5 road games this year along with 14 wins overall tying her best number of wins of all time!!! Plus, they had a good defensive percentage on shots made, and according to JD Wicker she seems to be improving the team!  I was surprised as anyone here that Wicker did not let her go. I just wonder if maybe due to the virus situation they did not want to remove her and make new potential coaches fly or come here to be interviewed since doing so face to face would be a challenge. And, doing interviews over the internet, or phones doesn't always answer all the questions you may have about a potential coach. So, it looks like we have her for 4 mores years unless things get worse than now and she starts losing even more. Unfortunately, she has not learned how to coach a winner. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 4, 2020 8:28:02 GMT -8
could JD have restructured the deal so she gets the additional money for winning more games , winning the MW conference MWT , getting into Womens MM or NIT ....
Do think she has a few recruits coming in - is any player leaving that is not graduating
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Post by kozy on Apr 4, 2020 9:59:21 GMT -8
Seven years not a winner or a shadow of winner among those teams. In 4 years, we will say eleven years of non winning. Stupid move.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 4, 2020 10:22:36 GMT -8
Seven years not a winner or a shadow of winner among those teams. In 4 years, we will say eleven years of non winning. Stupid move. I agree. But this is about making the overall program more attractive for bigger conferences. Women's sports won't move the needle but we should be doing everything possible to make the athletic stronger and more attractive as a whole. Don't give people the chance to poke holes in regards to the athletic program. Let location and academics be the only negative items. |
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Post by azteca on Apr 4, 2020 11:13:11 GMT -8
Seven years not a winner or a shadow of winner among those teams. In 4 years, we will say eleven years of non winning. Stupid move. Kozy, how many games have you attended in the last few years and how many did you attend when Beth Burns was coach? |
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 4, 2020 12:32:05 GMT -8
Seven years not a winner or a shadow of winner among those teams. In 4 years, we will say eleven years of non winning. Stupid move. Kozy, how many games have you attended in the last few years and how many did you attend when Beth Burns was coach? San Diego has proved over and over again they will show up and support teams AFTER they have had a few winning seasons in a row. This has happened in almost every sport in town at just about every level (maybe not something to be proud of but facts are facts) Win first and they will show up! *I think I ONCE heard (maybe here?) that Steve Fisher had to walk around campus and give out tickets to the games! *(please note sarcasm) Go Aztecs! |
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Post by azteca on Apr 4, 2020 13:01:52 GMT -8
Kozy, how many games have you attended in the last few years and how many did you attend when Beth Burns was coach? San Diego has proved over and over again they will show up and support teams AFTER they have had a few winning seasons in a row. This has happened in almost every sport in town at just about every level (maybe not something to be proud of but facts are facts) Win first and they will show up! *I think I ONCE heard (maybe here?) that Steve Fisher had to walk around campus and give out tickets to the games! *(please not sarcasm) Go Aztecs! I guess what I’m saying is that, although I always want an Aztec team, men or women, to do well, I don’t attend games so I don’t feel my comments, good or bad, are justified. |
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 4, 2020 14:33:57 GMT -8
If only we were somehow in the Pac12/14, whatever. We would of course be playing much, much, much tougher competition, but we'd also be able to recruit like those current Pac12 powerhouses. I'm 99.9% confident we'd have landed Te-Hina PaoPao from La Jolla Country Day, who was California state player of the year this year. I know her family well. We'd also have landed a few other outstanding local players the last few years that went to other Pac12 schools instead. Most importantly, if only our football team had it's act together back when Utah did in the Urban Meyer days. We'd possibly have been chosen instead of them, or perhaps along with them and instead of Colorado. Lost opportunities.....
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Post by aztecbb on Apr 6, 2020 18:49:24 GMT -8
Wow, just , WOW .... should have been fired mid season and she gets a 4 year extension??!?! WTF . Why does JDW accept complete failure in WBB? SMH.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 7, 2020 15:27:42 GMT -8
Seven years not a winner or a shadow of winner among those teams. In 4 years, we will say eleven years of non winning. Stupid move. I agree. But this is about making the overall program more attractive for bigger conferences. Women's sports won't move the needle but we should be doing everything possible to make the athletic stronger and more attractive as a whole. Don't give people the chance to poke holes in regards to the athletic program. Let location and academics be the only negative items. Your latter statement addressed your first. Unless you're UConn, women's sports, has no impact at all on our viability for a bigger conference. Getting an invite to a Power conference is about moving the needle financially & women's basically is a very small fraction of the revenue stream. Mission Valley, from an athletic & academic perspective, is what will move the needle. The P12 or B12 aren't going after Fresno because their women's team is really good. Ever. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 7, 2020 16:08:26 GMT -8
I agree. But this is about making the overall program more attractive for bigger conferences. Women's sports won't move the needle but we should be doing everything possible to make the athletic stronger and more attractive as a whole. Don't give people the chance to poke holes in regards to the athletic program. Let location and academics be the only negative items. Your latter statement addressed your first. Unless you're UConn, women's sports, has no impact at all on our viability for a bigger conference. Getting an invite to a Power conference is about moving the needle financially & women's basically is a very small fraction of the revenue stream. Mission Valley, from an athletic & academic perspective, is what will move the needle. The P12 or B12 aren't going after Fresno because their women's team is really good. Ever. The point is to strengthen all areas (not just one women's sport) that you can control and to not leave a weakness because you don't think they matter. SDSU West is going to be huge if we can increase our standing as a research university and if we begin to have electric sellout crowds at football games. We can't control those. We can build them but then it's out of the universities control. What's most important after football and basketball is the amount of fans that we have travel for football games. We can't continue having 1-2,000 fans travel for football games it's not enough and the university can't control that. Other programs want to see you bring in a minimum of 5,000 fans per game and some programs want to see 2 or 3 times as many. Not only do they charge more money for those tickets but it generates more money for their local economy. All the conference expansion research that goes on takes that into account just like invitations for bowl games. Strengthen everything you can and hope the other areas follow. We need a lot of improvement on the academic and athletic side to really be in consideration for a better conference. |
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 7, 2020 16:21:21 GMT -8
Your latter statement addressed your first. Unless you're UConn, women's sports, has no impact at all on our viability for a bigger conference. Getting an invite to a Power conference is about moving the needle financially & women's basically is a very small fraction of the revenue stream. Mission Valley, from an athletic & academic perspective, is what will move the needle. The P12 or B12 aren't going after Fresno because their women's team is really good. Ever. The point is to strengthen all areas (not just one women's sport) that you can control and to not leave a weakness because you don't think they matter. SDSU West is going to be huge if we can increase our standing as a research university and if we begin to have electric sellout crowds at football games. We can't control those. We can build them but then it's out of the universities control. What's most important after football and basketball is the amount of fans that we have travel for football games. We can't continue having 1-2,000 fans travel for football games it's not enough and the university can't control that. Other programs want to see you bring in a minimum of 5,000 fans per game and some programs want to see 2 or 3 times as many. Not only do they charge more money for those tickets but it generates more money for their local economy. All the conference expansion research that goes on takes that into account just like invitations for bowl games. Strengthen everything you can and hope the other areas follow. We need a lot of improvement on the academic and athletic side to really be in consideration for a better conference. No program is going to be strong in all areas. Our athletic program is in very good shape now, and more so with the Mission Valley development. Changing the women's coach has no bearing on that. They play in a very good arena; major conferences know recruiting will change completely overnight once you're in a larger conference. As long as the groundwork is set. How you travel is also a major misnomer, other than with some bowl committees. Traveling to Logan isn't the same as traveling to Phoenix or Seattle. Nobody cares of you bring 500, 2000 or 5000 to Pullman or Corvallis or Stillwater for a football game. What they care about is that you bring eyeballs to television sets watching those games, thus providing incentive for the TV networks to pay you & them more during negotations. Ticket sales are becoming less & less important by the year. % of capacity is more important, and out of town stadiums don't allot that much space & often don't mind having extra tickets to distribute (at a higher price point) to their local fans if they're still available. Stadiums are being downsized. We're not going into a major conference for at least 3 more years - when the next negotiations come into play. The goal is to be positioned well then, and Terry's teams are trending up. Build & fund Mission Valley; be successful in the primary sports to bring eyeballs; and fill Viejas. We'll be fine. |
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