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Post by Den60 on Oct 9, 2019 16:13:15 GMT -8
I worry about any impacts on traffic and you are understating the impact of traffic from the new campus. I one of those rare ones, someone who hates to be stuck in traffic. Oh, and I plan to be still around in 5 years. If you read the draft EIR you will see, as part of the road plan, that the university plans a new stoplight where the campus road intersects with Fenton Parkway. I'm not saying there WON'T be a traffic impact, but that the bridge isn't going to create much of a cure all for that area, and the SDSU West isn't going to have the massive impact that the other developments are having already. Not enough to warrant SDSU paying for a bridge. Besides, a lot of people feel the same, they hate traffic, so the Trolley is a great option to commute to a campus with zero parking. Also, I was trying to think... there isn't a connector on Camino Del Rio to the 8 between Qualcomm Way and Fairmount, so I still don't see how a bridge will help a whole lot. Only create the same congestion at the same intersections. Traffic at Fairmount could be split there, with some going via Camino Del Rio North to two entrances (one not prone to flooding) while the rest could head North on Fairmount to SD Mission Rd. That takes a lot of traffic off Fairmount. There is also a Hospital, Kaiser, that is impacted by traffic on Fairmount. |
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Post by pbnative on Oct 9, 2019 16:54:36 GMT -8
I'm not saying there WON'T be a traffic impact, but that the bridge isn't going to create much of a cure all for that area, and the SDSU West isn't going to have the massive impact that the other developments are having already. Not enough to warrant SDSU paying for a bridge. Besides, a lot of people feel the same, they hate traffic, so the Trolley is a great option to commute to a campus with zero parking. Also, I was trying to think... there isn't a connector on Camino Del Rio to the 8 between Qualcomm Way and Fairmount, so I still don't see how a bridge will help a whole lot. Only create the same congestion at the same intersections. Traffic at Fairmount could be split there, with some going via Camino Del Rio North to two entrances (one not prone to flooding) while the rest could head North on Fairmount to SD Mission Rd. That takes a lot of traffic off Fairmount. There is also a Hospital, Kaiser, that is impacted by traffic on Fairmount. Most of the traffic heading North on Fairmount is going to the 8/15 freeway. the area at Fairmount/ Mission Gorge toward SD Mission Rd is already a disaster so no way I go past Camino Del Rio N. Once on Camino Del Rio N, why would I drive to a busy bridge intersection when I can turn on Rancho Mission and enter at the south or keep on Rancho Mission to SD Mission and enter at the North. A connector from West bound Montezuma to Camino Del Rio S. would have a bigger impact than a bridge at Ikea. As I mentioned, choice between driving to SDSU and traffic on Montezuma, then burning gas looking for parking for then next 30 min vs a 3 minute relaxing trolley ride? Monthly pass is $50 vs $200 for a semester? No contest. A lot of students who commute already park and take the trolley to campus. Most underclassmen that will be going to class on the main campus will live on the main campus. The expansion will most likely house faculty, people working at the innovation center and research/ Grad students who wouldn't be going to the main campus much anyway. |
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Oct 9, 2019 18:10:45 GMT -8
Just a quick take from my trip to CSU's stadium. I think it was covered on the first thread page pretty well. It's a beautiful stadium, BUT... There is nothing there indicative -- or iconic -- showing that it belongs to Colorado State. It's a beautiful stadium, alright -- but you can put it on any one of about 75 FBS campuses right now. When you look at Georgia, you know where you are immediately because of the hedges. When you look at Notre Dame: TD Jesus. USC: The peristyle. Washington has the lake. Ohio State has those big buildings in the end zone corner. Colorado State, you could just as easily be at North Carolina State if you didn't know better. And in a couple of decades when the novelty wears off and the sparkling concrete of the Rams' stadium begins to look worn, it won't have much more punch to it than the stadium they just left. I hope that, in the "details" phase of designing this new thing we've got down at SDSU West, the architect will give SDSU art, history, etc departments a call and ask them to come up with something to incorporate into the building that gives it an identity that is SDSU. I agree I would love something that is uniquely SDSU. I have always envisioned one of the end zones looking like an Aztec Pyramid where the team could start at the top with a black cloud entrance and walk down to the field through the student section ala ... Clemson. Party decks could be on either side of pyramid seating as well. |
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Post by Den60 on Oct 9, 2019 19:25:32 GMT -8
Traffic at Fairmount could be split there, with some going via Camino Del Rio North to two entrances (one not prone to flooding) while the rest could head North on Fairmount to SD Mission Rd. That takes a lot of traffic off Fairmount. There is also a Hospital, Kaiser, that is impacted by traffic on Fairmount. Most of the traffic heading North on Fairmount is going to the 8/15 freeway. the area at Fairmount/ Mission Gorge toward SD Mission Rd is already a disaster so no way I go past Camino Del Rio N. Once on Camino Del Rio N, why would I drive to a busy bridge intersection when I can turn on Rancho Mission and enter at the south or keep on Rancho Mission to SD Mission and enter at the North. A connector from West bound Montezuma to Camino Del Rio S. would have a bigger impact than a bridge at Ikea. As I mentioned, choice between driving to SDSU and traffic on Montezuma, then burning gas looking for parking for then next 30 min vs a 3 minute relaxing trolley ride? Monthly pass is $50 vs $200 for a semester? No contest. A lot of students who commute already park and take the trolley to campus. Most underclassmen that will be going to class on the main campus will live on the main campus. The expansion will most likely house faculty, people working at the innovation center and research/ Grad students who wouldn't be going to the main campus much anyway. Actually, there are residential units for non-students in this project. No one knows how much of the residential population will be students or non-students. Same can be said of office space. Initially there could more non school tenants than school tenants. And, finally, there is the 400 room hotel. You focus way too much on this being a regular campus. It is not, it is a mixed commercial development with a stadium with some of the space to be available to SDSU for current needs and future growth. |
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