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Post by aztecking on Mar 1, 2018 7:05:57 GMT -8
Simple...add Gonzaga and St. Mary’s then kick out San Jose and Utah State. 11 members for basketball, 10 for football.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 7:30:30 GMT -8
Waste of time to focus on basketball for the MWC. Either improve the conference for football (the only sport that really matters financially), get out of this conference, or this school is the next csulb, or csuf. Some people enjoy basketball more than football and would like to see a stronger conference for that sport. That is true. But if you care about the future of this athletic program as a whole, then this discussion is troubling. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Mar 1, 2018 7:35:08 GMT -8
Just say no... to BYU.
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Post by aztecterrier on Mar 1, 2018 9:19:39 GMT -8
Some people enjoy basketball more than football and would like to see a stronger conference for that sport. That is true. But if you care about the future of this athletic program as a whole, then this discussion is troubling. The basic facts of geography illustrate clearly that there are not any prestigious football programs (other than BYU) in the MWC footprint that would ever consider joining. Fine. So why should that preclude the conference from making itself more competitive in basketball? I'd appreciate it if someone on the board, who is 'troubled' by the evidence that good football programs won't join the MWC, would defend their position to have the MWC also remain mediocre in basketball, by passing on an elite school like Gonzaga. It's true that adding Gonzaga doesn't win the game, but it does change the score. Sure, the Aztecs still need to complete a Hail Mary pass to find itself in a better football conference for long term stability, but it would make the immediate AD situation better, yes? So why fight it? |
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Post by sdsuballer on Mar 1, 2018 10:08:45 GMT -8
We are not here for the long run, just add Gonzaga and BYU, and let the remaining members figure it out at a later time. I will say we need to figure out how the Mtn division school can schedule better team in their non conference schedule. Im tired of Wyoming scheduling western wyoming and western new mexico’s of the world.
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Post by standiego on Mar 1, 2018 10:34:31 GMT -8
Zags have major leverage for basketball and will use it for best TV deal for them . As did BSU for football.
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Post by MontezumasRevenge on Mar 1, 2018 11:17:18 GMT -8
Zags have major leverage for basketball and will use it for best TV deal for them . As did BSU for football. #Analysis |
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Post by ignoranus on Mar 1, 2018 11:26:15 GMT -8
The Zags are stuck in a really bad deal right now. They have the opportunity to play one conference against the other. They might as well use their leverage to get a better deal. One conference will be paying up.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Mar 1, 2018 12:17:57 GMT -8
Some people enjoy basketball more than football and would like to see a stronger conference for that sport. That is true. But if you care about the future of this athletic program as a whole, then this discussion is troubling. It needn’t be troubling. The MWC is a weak athletic conference across the board and needs to improve wherever it can. Big money flows into schools who live in four- and five-bid leagues. The talking heads on CBS Sports try to fake excitement about the MWC on the post-game shows, but you can tell they would all rather be discussing P5s. This conference gets no hoops respect. Adding Gonzaga would completely change that overnight. (Sorry, BYU. Not you.) Let’s make MWC basketball relevant again while we simultaneously try to either reconstitute the MWC as a football league, or find a way to get out of it. As the next round of major TV negotiations approaches, I believe Mike Aresco will attempt to further strengthen the AAC. That could spell opportunity for some western schools. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Mar 1, 2018 12:18:29 GMT -8
First of all, I thought you couldn't be in the MWC without playing football also? So, how could Gonzaga be in the conference with only a basketball team?
And, if BYU rejoins the MWC do they get to have their football team play in conference as well also?
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Post by rebar619 on Mar 1, 2018 12:46:34 GMT -8
That is true. But if you care about the future of this athletic program as a whole, then this discussion is troubling. It needn’t be troubling. The MWC is a weak athletic conference across the board and needs to improve wherever it can. Big money flows into schools who live in four- and five-bid leagues. The talking heads on CBS Sports try to fake excitement about the MWC on the post-game shows, but you can tell they would all rather be discussing P5s. This conference gets no hoops respect. Adding Gonzaga would completely change that overnight. (Sorry, BYU. Not you.) Let’s make MWC basketball relevant again while we simultaneously try to either reconstitute the MWC as a football league, or find a way to get out of it. As the next round of major TV negotiations approaches, I believe Mike Aresco will attempt to further strengthen the AAC. That could spell opportunity for some western schools. I think adding Gonzaga is a great opportunity for SDSU. It opens the door for non football members. This would make it easier for SDSU football to entertain offers to play football only in a better conference like the Big 12, while keeping hoops in a good conference. Bring the Zags in now! |
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Mar 1, 2018 13:09:18 GMT -8
It needn’t be troubling. The MWC is a weak athletic conference across the board and needs to improve wherever it can. Big money flows into schools who live in four- and five-bid leagues. The talking heads on CBS Sports try to fake excitement about the MWC on the post-game shows, but you can tell they would all rather be discussing P5s. This conference gets no hoops respect. Adding Gonzaga would completely change that overnight. (Sorry, BYU. Not you.) Let’s make MWC basketball relevant again while we simultaneously try to either reconstitute the MWC as a football league, or find a way to get out of it. As the next round of major TV negotiations approaches, I believe Mike Aresco will attempt to further strengthen the AAC. That could spell opportunity for some western schools. I think adding Gonzaga is a great opportunity for SDSU. It opens the door for non football members. This would make it easier for SDSU football to entertain offers to play football only in a better conference like the Big 12, while keeping hoops in a good conference. Bring the Zags in now! Excellent point. |
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Post by northcountymike on Mar 1, 2018 13:55:51 GMT -8
I think it's good for the MWC is Gonzaga were to join. Also, it may not be popular around here, but I would also like to see BYU back here as well. Those games were always good and it's nice to have a team to hate, haha.
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Post by North County Aztec on Mar 1, 2018 14:15:56 GMT -8
I think it's good for the MWC is Gonzaga were to join. Also, it may not be popular around here, but I would also like to see BYU back here as well. Those games were always good and it's nice to have a team to hate, haha. Never stopped hating them. Yes to the Zags, no to BYU |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Mar 1, 2018 14:57:28 GMT -8
No on BYU, please. They wanted to go independent on football and stay in the MWC for the other spots but we said no thanks. We shouldn't consider taking them back - let them stay irrelevant in the WCC.
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Post by fanhood on Mar 1, 2018 15:05:59 GMT -8
MW is not considering BYU. As Hair said, they have not spoken to them about it.
Zaga is going to come of theybare going to come. It wound have anything to do with BYU.
There is no way the MW BoD accepts BYU without football. They are nothing more than an average program in basketball at this point.
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Post by standiego on Mar 1, 2018 15:09:27 GMT -8
Zags are the ones holding the high quality MBB team . So they are the team getting to make the decision on their future . Who can give them the best deal . Would also expect AAC to try to see what they can get out of this to make them even better or make suggestions to some other schools.
Is it time for some schools to look at forming the Best of the rest Conference - as TV money will only go so far . As pointed out in UT , money is major factor .
Also how difficult it may get going forward for the non P6 schools to get quality OOC games or at least home games
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Post by gozags on Mar 2, 2018 7:36:55 GMT -8
Zags have major leverage for basketball and will use it for best TV deal for them . As did BSU for football. #Analysis Let's look at the past 3 seasons, knowing that the NCAA pays "incremental" revenue shares for each win in the dance. 2015 - 2017 NCAA Tournament wins: Gonzaga - 10 wins (Elite 8 in '15; Sweet 16 in '16 and National Championship Game in '17) MWC combined grand total - 1 win (SDSU in '15) Just looking at the past 2 seasons it'd be Gonzaga 7, MWC combined 0. |
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Post by johnnyutah on Mar 2, 2018 9:22:09 GMT -8
Let's look at the past 3 seasons, knowing that the NCAA pays "incremental" revenue shares for each win in the dance. 2015 - 2017 NCAA Tournament wins: Gonzaga - 10 wins (Elite 8 in '15; Sweet 16 in '16 and National Championship Game in '17) MWC combined grand total - 1 win (SDSU in '15) Just looking at the past 2 seasons it'd be Gonzaga 7, MWC combined 0. Gonzaga has had tremendous success...no question about it, but this isn't really a comparison of Gonzaga relative to the MW, I think it's a comparison of the rest of the WCC vs. the MW. They get sucked down by a lot of bad teams that have little to no hope of making the NCAA Tournament and don't seem to have any upward momentum to get there. Not only do those bad teams impact their seeding when they get to the tournament, they have to share that money with teams with little hope to ever compete. Your comparison of the MWC is fair, but also represents the worst 3 year stretch in the history of the conference. Unlike the WCC, there are many teams with large arenas, great facilities and a history of making the tournament. Since 2011, the Mountain West has had 9 of the 11 (82%) teams make the NCAA Tournament. Air Force (2006) and SJSU (1996) are the only 2 that haven't in that time period. They've had a season where 5 teams made the tournament in recent history (2013). Since 2011, the WCC has had 4 of the 10 teams make the NCAA Tournament. San Diego (2008), Pepperdine (2002), USF (1998), Santa Clara (1996), Portland (1996), Loyola Marymount (1990) haven't. So while I think Gonzaga is in a position of power to try to get a better TV deal (and maybe keep more of their money), the MW certainly has more to offer in terms of other teams also contributing and all boats would rise with the addition (more teams in, better seeds). If the MW creates a deal where the actual team gets to keep some portion of the money before it gets split up, it needs to be the same for all teams. There can't be a special deal just for them -- it needs to be the same for everyone. |
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Post by Frantic on Mar 2, 2018 11:17:50 GMT -8
Hi. My name is Chad. My friends and I can't wait for BYU to return to the MWC!  |
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