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Post by northcountymike on Feb 24, 2018 18:12:14 GMT -8
Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR Again, you are completely, utterly missing the point. Most people on this board can tolerate the occasional poster who lets fly some frustration or engages in name calling. That can be quickly quashed. It's the handful of psotters -- maybe 3 to 6 -- who are here simply to create mischief and take glee in hijacking threads with nonsensical takes. It's a freaking problem. And one that comes with an easy solution. If you can't see that, I just don't know what to do or say. You're still here? You know, when I first started reading this thread, I thought a lot of valuable points were brought up. Now, I realize that it was entirely self-serving and a holier-than-thou attitude that was fueling everything. But I understand it better now - I mean, why leave now? People are just starting to care about you and the fact that you "may" leave. If that's what it takes to get the attention you crave, then I guess, so be it.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 24, 2018 18:20:25 GMT -8
Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR Again, you are completely, utterly missing the point. Most people on this board can tolerate the occasional poster who lets fly some frustration or engages in name calling. That can be quickly quashed. It's the handful of psotters -- maybe 3 to 6 -- who are here simply to create mischief and take glee in hijacking threads with nonsensical takes. It's a freaking problem. And one that comes with an easy solution. If you can't see that, I just don't know what to do or say. I guess I must not be very bright. WLR
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 24, 2018 18:34:14 GMT -8
This thread is now more pages long than the amount of posters we need to get rid of to make this place approximately 31x better. I blame the people who gave our Mods crap for wanting to fire Rocky. You know this is your fault, right? Wait a minute. I never said I wanted Rocky fired! Let's remember that in 2015 we opened 1-3. The one W was against USD. In that game the score looked good, but I felt the Aztecs actually didn't look terribly impressive against a very weak opponent. At that point I stated that if Rocky could not turn things around, the school might have to consider replacing him. That definitely was the low point for me regarding Rocky's tenure. Before that I had consistently defended Rocky. What happened, of course, was that the team went on a very long winning streak. I don't mind criticism, but please get your facts straight. WLR
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Post by richpjr on Feb 24, 2018 18:50:52 GMT -8
Again, you are completely, utterly missing the point. Most people on this board can tolerate the occasional poster who lets fly some frustration or engages in name calling. That can be quickly quashed. It's the handful of psotters -- maybe 3 to 6 -- who are here simply to create mischief and take glee in hijacking threads with nonsensical takes. It's a freaking problem. And one that comes with an easy solution. If you can't see that, I just don't know what to do or say. I guess I must not be very bright. WLR He thinks some people he doesn’t care for (the trolls) should be banned and then the board would be better.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 24, 2018 18:59:27 GMT -8
I guess I must not be very bright. WLR Bright, yes. Obstinate? Well ...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 25, 2018 0:40:50 GMT -8
While I agree that some people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. Weak!! Just for the record, take a look who liked this insufficient BS. It's the honest critic/azzhole. So are you saying that escalating the problem is OK? Because it's not. We don't let kids get away with that crap ("He started it!"), so adults thinking they should be allowed to is completely irrational. Most of the posts that I see people complain about are honest criticisms of players, coaches, and programs. Whether or not you agree with those criticisms is irrelevant. People do have the right to express their honest opinions. We won't shut down discussion just because some people don't like the way or how often some people express those opinions. IF someone posts something that is obviously just posted to piss people off then that crosses the line. Or if someone is ultra negative ALL THE TIME, and never has anything constructive to say, that also crosses the line. But just being negative or critical most of the time isn't necessarily, "Trolling." Some people just have a less optimistic view than you do. So what? How does that hurt you?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 25, 2018 1:01:15 GMT -8
FYI, while it took a little time, we DID get to some of the board members causing trouble. Two members have been suspended for a month, a third has been banned permanently.
It's no lie when we say that there isn't time every day to handle everything that comes up, and we don't just want to make a knee jerk reaction in banning someone who may not have earned it. I have a 11 1/2 hour day between work and my commute, so if I don't have the time to handle stuff like this but once a week that's just the way it goes. I'm not sacrificing what little time I have with my family to babysit supposed adults.
The rest of the mod staff has commitments for their time, too. This isn't a paid position, please remember that.
Patience goes a long way.
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Post by ourtime on Feb 25, 2018 8:11:46 GMT -8
Really looking forward to the new echo chamber!
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Post by hoobs on Feb 25, 2018 10:07:08 GMT -8
Two members have been suspended for a month, a third has been banned permanently
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Why be vague? Just name them.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 25, 2018 10:52:28 GMT -8
Two members have been suspended for a month, a third has been banned permanently --------------- Why be vague? Just name them. The point isn't to shame anyone. The point is to make the board a more conducive place to have discussions that are on topic and relevant to the board. But the actions have been taken and it should be pretty clear who isn't spamming the board with ultra negativity.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 25, 2018 13:56:10 GMT -8
Two members have been suspended for a month, a third has been banned permanently --------------- Why be vague? Just name them. The point isn't to shame anyone. The point is to make the board a more conducive place to have discussions that are on topic and relevant to the board. But the actions have been taken and it should be pretty clear who isn't spamming the board with ultra negativity. Awesome!!!
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Post by azson on Feb 26, 2018 9:49:45 GMT -8
Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? Absolutely. What happens if no one responds to the, "Player bashing?" It stops. People post comments to get a response, positive or negative. Instead of giving comments that you feel are unworthy or unfair the lack of attention you feel they deserve you comment on them and attack the person posting said comments - ESCALATING the situation. How does that make things better? It doesn't. At all. It makes the problem worse. There are people here who are pessimistic by nature and see all the flaws in the teams and believe they need to be addressed. Instead of trying to look at a differing point of view as legitimate from that person's perspective, other people here assume the worst and attack the person making the comments rather than just letting those comments slide (unnoticed and largely ignored) into history. Instead of letting that stuff go things are escalated way out of proportion. That IS just as bad as posting a comment bashing a player or coach for a bad performance. It really is. It takes two people (or more) to have a flame war online. If someone posts something that others feel is unwarranted or unfair then don't call attention to it, post a more constructive comment instead. It really isn't hard to do. But you have to want to do it. Part of the problem, or part of the solution. It's a cliche, but it really fits here. Escalating conflict isn't part of the solution. Ever. What it sounds like to me is it's much easier for you to shirk your responsibility as a mod and put it on all of us to not respond. The block feature here is majorly flawed (i.e. after blocking we still see the blocked poster's posts if someone else quotes them), so in order for it to work 100% of us have to ignore/block the trolls, which is never going to happen. Wouldn't it be much easier to just ban the obvious (to 99% of us) trolls? Yes, of course it would. Do your job: enforce your stated rules.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 26, 2018 9:54:19 GMT -8
Absolutely. What happens if no one responds to the, "Player bashing?" It stops. People post comments to get a response, positive or negative. Instead of giving comments that you feel are unworthy or unfair the lack of attention you feel they deserve you comment on them and attack the person posting said comments - ESCALATING the situation. How does that make things better? It doesn't. At all. It makes the problem worse. There are people here who are pessimistic by nature and see all the flaws in the teams and believe they need to be addressed. Instead of trying to look at a differing point of view as legitimate from that person's perspective, other people here assume the worst and attack the person making the comments rather than just letting those comments slide (unnoticed and largely ignored) into history. Instead of letting that stuff go things are escalated way out of proportion. That IS just as bad as posting a comment bashing a player or coach for a bad performance. It really is. It takes two people (or more) to have a flame war online. If someone posts something that others feel is unwarranted or unfair then don't call attention to it, post a more constructive comment instead. It really isn't hard to do. But you have to want to do it. Part of the problem, or part of the solution. It's a cliche, but it really fits here. Escalating conflict isn't part of the solution. Ever. What it sounds like to me is it's much easier for you to shirk your responsibility as a mod and put it on all of us to not respond. The block feature here is majorly flawed (i.e. after blocking we still see the blocked poster's posts if someone else quotes them), so in order for it to work 100% of us have to ignore/block the trolls, which is never going to happen. Wouldn't it be much easier to just ban the obvious (to 99% of us) trolls? Yes, of course it would. Do your job: enforce your stated rules. Funny thing - we have. Multiple people have been suspended and two others have been banned already this year. Warnings have also been issued and PM's sent. What more do you want?
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Post by azson on Feb 26, 2018 10:14:20 GMT -8
This thread is now more pages long than the amount of posters we need to get rid of to make this place approximately 31x better. I blame the people who gave our Mods crap for wanting to fire Rocky. You know this is your fault, right? I want to <like> this, but I refuse to add my name to anything that will show up next to NCM's.
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Post by azson on Feb 26, 2018 10:19:33 GMT -8
What it sounds like to me is it's much easier for you to shirk your responsibility as a mod and put it on all of us to not respond. The block feature here is majorly flawed (i.e. after blocking we still see the blocked poster's posts if someone else quotes them), so in order for it to work 100% of us have to ignore/block the trolls, which is never going to happen. Wouldn't it be much easier to just ban the obvious (to 99% of us) trolls? Yes, of course it would. Do your job: enforce your stated rules. Funny thing - we have. Multiple people have been suspended and two others have been banned already this year. Warnings have also been issued and PM's sent. What more do you want? Apologies, I was still catching up on the thread. Thank you for your action.
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