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Post by hoobs on Feb 23, 2018 15:04:42 GMT -8
While I agree that some people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides.If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame.We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. You sound like Trump talking about Charlottesville.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 23, 2018 15:06:04 GMT -8
I'm seeing 6 now. Proud of me? You really gotta calm down with the ”holier than thou” attitude. You’ve used homophobic language to me in past threads. You are as bad as the “trolls” you criticize. You know what, I looked back on that, and I called you aztecqueen. Cry me a river runner boy. You weren't exactly cordial to me as well. And, it's no shock that you back the negative crony crew, since you're one of them. The negative crony count is now at 8 since you've decided to join in.
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 23, 2018 15:10:21 GMT -8
The idea of "active" modding is untenable. Everybody knows it. Unless you have nothing else to do, which you have clearly stated not to be the case. The two ideas that I like are the pay to post idea, and the thumb up and down function. I realize that implementing the pay to post idea is problematic. But, the thumb up/thumb down function ought to be fairly easy to implement. Within that function there should be a "will of the people" criteria. Something like if a certain post attains a percentage of thumbs down, it automatically gets removed. We would self police, with minimal need for a moderator. It's all in the programming and the "will of the people". If certain posters just can't help themselves, they would be voted off the island so to speak.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 15:20:03 GMT -8
While I agree that some people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides.If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame.We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. You sound like Trump talking about Charlottesville. And here's a prime example of thread hijacking...but wait, it isn't by a supposed "troll," so it's ok I guess.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Feb 23, 2018 15:22:10 GMT -8
There's a way to block members and not see their posts. Use it.
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Post by C'mon Man on Feb 23, 2018 15:24:42 GMT -8
You could improve the board immensely just by following the stated policies....Enforce your own rules. It doesn't require extreme censorship. It just requires paying attention and common sense - There are a few select posters who literally post nothing of value. There are lots of posters who post nothing of value by hijacking threads or adding nothing to an ongoing conversation Oh the irony of you making this statement. I literally lol'd
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 15:25:54 GMT -8
The idea of "active" modding is untenable. Everybody knows it. Unless you have nothing else to do, which you have clearly stated not to be the case. The two ideas that I like are the pay to post idea, and the thumb up and down function. I realize that implementing the pay to post idea is problematic. But, the thumb up/thumb down function ought to be fairly easy to implement. Within that function there should be a "will of the people" criteria. Something like if a certain post attains a percentage of thumbs down, it automatically gets removed. We would self police, with minimal need for a moderator. It's all in the programming and the "will of the people". If certain posters just can't help themselves, they would be voted off the island so to speak. This could never happen – it's unfortunate that certain posters have an insane lack of self awareness and fail to see their own hypocrisy in giving "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" based on their feelings of other posters or their history with them. Sorry, it won't work and it's too late. I recall plenty of times throughout history when certain people and certain groups were "voted off the island" and banished simply because people didn't like them or didn't agree with them. But hey, ignorance is bliss and what you don't know won't hurt you, right?
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 23, 2018 15:26:24 GMT -8
Well, I've been thinking over the complaints expressed in this thread. I have to assume that they are sincere. (I'm not terribly happy about some of the names we've been called, but let's let that go, at least for the moment.) I started AztecMesa in 2009. I have always thought that is was a worthwhile use of my time and energy. That is, until now. If the predominant feeling of the registered members of this site is as negative as many of these posts indicate, I'm starting to wonder whether I should close up shop and devote my time to other activities. I’m not there yet, but for the first time the prospect is no longer unthinkable. I do have an alternate strategy, although it is one I would utilize somewhat reluctantly. Under this plan, I would examine all new threads and delete any that I feel are negative, repetitive, or in some other way objectionable. (Of course, inevitably, the decision to allow or delete a thread would be up to me.) Perhaps that policy would be welcomed by those who feel that AztecMesa has lost its way. In any case, I would hope so. I also hope members will let me know whether they; (A) would like to see the site continue, and (B) whether my plan to improve the site is reasonable. Thanks. William L. Rupp I hope the frustration with this long-running issue doesn't cause you to shutter the doors. While my own activity here has been dialed way back (largely due to the trolling issue and just not choosing to wade in the muck), I still like to check in and see what's going on and being discussed by the crew. A couple of years ago, I decided to follow the advice you and other mods have suggested... block the particularly irritating people and don't engage with them... for the most part, it's made my visits here much more enjoyable. However, when I go to read a thread and 1/4 to 1/3 of the posts in it are either "This post is hidden" entries or reactions to a troll pushing people's buttons, containing quoted text I would have otherwise avoided via blocking, it's disheartening. When I encounter a thread that has devolved to that level, I exit that thread and make a mental note to not bother checking it again because nothing of value, and certainly nothing actually relating to its presumed subject matter, is to be found from that point forward. I really do think that a small handful (in the 2-4 range, not necessarily quite as many as others may feel appropriate) of permanent bans would make a massive difference to both the overall mood/atmosphere in here and the quality of the thread discussions. Your mileage may vary. My two cents.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 15:26:49 GMT -8
There are lots of posters who post nothing of value by hijacking threads or adding nothing to an ongoing conversation Oh the irony of you making this statement. I literally lol'd What's ironic is not posting my entire quote, rather cutting out what you want. Furthermore, what do you think you just did?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 15:32:28 GMT -8
guttersipe got time out for 2 weeks too! I stated as much in this thread.
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Post by obboy13 on Feb 23, 2018 15:42:39 GMT -8
4 of the trolls have already polluted this thread. It's not going to change, ltb. While you're here, best to block them and anyone who gives them oxygen by quoting them. I actually counted 5. Oh well. Ok, let's see, 5 trolls, 3 whiners, and one lost boy . That makes, uh that makes... aw heck, who cares I wasn't a math major. But for those keeping score, the moment you let one group or another get to you...you lose.
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 23, 2018 15:43:24 GMT -8
The idea of "active" modding is untenable. Everybody knows it. Unless you have nothing else to do, which you have clearly stated not to be the case. The two ideas that I like are the pay to post idea, and the thumb up and down function. I realize that implementing the pay to post idea is problematic. But, the thumb up/thumb down function ought to be fairly easy to implement. Within that function there should be a "will of the people" criteria. Something like if a certain post attains a percentage of thumbs down, it automatically gets removed. We would self police, with minimal need for a moderator. It's all in the programming and the "will of the people". If certain posters just can't help themselves, they would be voted off the island so to speak. I spent 8 years at Proboards. There is a thumbs up/down extension available from Proboards, not so sure about the auto delete (I've been out of the loop for several years) however there is a "request functionality" board and in many cases, people jump at the chance to create something new.
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Post by ab on Feb 23, 2018 16:06:17 GMT -8
The situation on this board has gotten completely asinine with the half dozen or so idiots who have completely trashed and polluted (much to their glee) what was once a fantastic source of information and community for Aztec fans. I have tried to address this with the moderators on a number of occasions and have been completely ignored. It's not brain surgery. And it's a very easy issue to address and to remedy. But for whatever the reason, the guys who run this board are more than happy to have the clowns run the circus. I'm inches away from hanging it up and taking my Aztec fandom elsewhere. Here' the latest exchange with the person who runs this board. Frankly, it's pathetic. Gents, This troll situation needs to be addressed. The board has become intolerable for me. And I've been posting here and on the two previous iterations since online bulletin boards first came on the scene in 1995-ish. There are a handful of posters here whose sole purpose is to take delight in throwing stinkbombs everywhere and anywhere, hijacking threads with word-salad gibberish, pushing buttons with abandon, and creating a general nuisance to the point where I and core group of significant contributors are days away from washing our hands forever of this forum and taking our Aztec fandom elsewhere. It's a problem. A big one. I've mentioned this and complained about it on a few other occasions, as have others. But absolutely nothing has been done about the obvious, deliberate and relentless thread hijackers who've made a mockery of what this board should be all about. So what's the solutions? I propose this: There are about a dozen core posters who are equally dissatisfied and outraged by incessant demeaning actions/words spewing from the keyboards of a handful of community members. We should convene a round table prior to the SDSU-Nevada game. Meet over some pizza and beer. Hear us out. Hopefully we can come together as a group and implement some steps and processes that make this forum work better than ever. But please know that the status quo isn't working. At all. Let me know your thoughts, as well as if you'd like to take me up on the offer of convening a roundtable. Best regards, LTB As AztecWilliam, I am just a regular member. Please send this message to my official persona, which is William L. Rupp. By the way, you should cite examples of posters who are troublemakers. If you have particular people in mind, why not just ignore their threads and posts? (Another thought; how to define a troll may ultimately be rather problematic.) Thanks, AzWm Seriously? That's your response? This is a huge issue. It has become intolerable. And I don't want to run around grabbing every example of troll-ism on this board. Way too much work. I've written you in the past about certain members and was told to ignore them. Which I did. But that's a suboptimal solution. Especially when half of all threads are regularly hijacked by these knuckleheads who add nothing but bile and mayhem (much to their own delight) to the conversation. As quick evidence, just go peruse the threads about Why no Official Game Thread?, Kell Update, and Kell/Hemsley. Those are travesties. And if you can't tell who the trolls are by scrolling through them, then what are you doing moderating a chat board? So, I ask again. Are you willing to have a roundtable with a group of your best and most-reliable contributors and hear us out? Or not? Ball's in your court. And please don't try to put the turd back in my pocket. Thanks, LTB Who determines who are the "best" and "most-reliable contributors"? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by onelittleindian on Feb 23, 2018 16:52:28 GMT -8
One issues I see with thumbs up/down is, that much like posting, some people are going to vote on everything while others will just read the content and move on.
It will be like our local city council meetings where the same couple of windbags have the council members wrapped around their fingers and that's why it takes 20 minutes on a summer day to travel the one mile trip on 101 from one end of town to the other.
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Post by aztecking on Feb 23, 2018 16:57:16 GMT -8
You really gotta calm down with the ”holier than thou” attitude. You’ve used homophobic language to me in past threads. You are as bad as the “trolls” you criticize. You know what, I looked back on that, and I called you aztecqueen. Cry me a river runner boy. You weren't exactly cordial to me as well. And, it's no shock that you back the negative crony crew, since you're one of them. The negative crony count is now at 8 since you've decided to join in. It was much more than that, haha. It was nasty stuff. Sugar coat how you’d like though.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 17:13:43 GMT -8
The situation on this board has gotten completely asinine with the half dozen or so idiots who have completely trashed and polluted (much to their glee) what was once a fantastic source of information and community for Aztec fans. I have tried to address this with the moderators on a number of occasions and have been completely ignored. It's not brain surgery. And it's a very easy issue to address and to remedy. But for whatever the reason, the guys who run this board are more than happy to have the clowns run the circus. I'm inches away from hanging it up and taking my Aztec fandom elsewhere. Here' the latest exchange with the person who runs this board. Frankly, it's pathetic. Gents, This troll situation needs to be addressed. The board has become intolerable for me. And I've been posting here and on the two previous iterations since online bulletin boards first came on the scene in 1995-ish. There are a handful of posters here whose sole purpose is to take delight in throwing stinkbombs everywhere and anywhere, hijacking threads with word-salad gibberish, pushing buttons with abandon, and creating a general nuisance to the point where I and core group of significant contributors are days away from washing our hands forever of this forum and taking our Aztec fandom elsewhere. It's a problem. A big one. I've mentioned this and complained about it on a few other occasions, as have others. But absolutely nothing has been done about the obvious, deliberate and relentless thread hijackers who've made a mockery of what this board should be all about. So what's the solutions? I propose this: There are about a dozen core posters who are equally dissatisfied and outraged by incessant demeaning actions/words spewing from the keyboards of a handful of community members. We should convene a round table prior to the SDSU-Nevada game. Meet over some pizza and beer. Hear us out. Hopefully we can come together as a group and implement some steps and processes that make this forum work better than ever. But please know that the status quo isn't working. At all. Let me know your thoughts, as well as if you'd like to take me up on the offer of convening a roundtable. Best regards, LTB As AztecWilliam, I am just a regular member. Please send this message to my official persona, which is William L. Rupp. By the way, you should cite examples of posters who are troublemakers. If you have particular people in mind, why not just ignore their threads and posts? (Another thought; how to define a troll may ultimately be rather problematic.) Thanks, AzWm Seriously? That's your response? This is a huge issue. It has become intolerable. And I don't want to run around grabbing every example of troll-ism on this board. Way too much work. I've written you in the past about certain members and was told to ignore them. Which I did. But that's a suboptimal solution. Especially when half of all threads are regularly hijacked by these knuckleheads who add nothing but bile and mayhem (much to their own delight) to the conversation. As quick evidence, just go peruse the threads about Why no Official Game Thread?, Kell Update, and Kell/Hemsley. Those are travesties. And if you can't tell who the trolls are by scrolling through them, then what are you doing moderating a chat board? So, I ask again. Are you willing to have a roundtable with a group of your best and most-reliable contributors and hear us out? Or not? Ball's in your court. And please don't try to put the turd back in my pocket. Thanks, LTB Who determines who are the "best" and "most-reliable contributors"? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Oh, it's common knowledge, didn't you know that? You mean you don't know who the best contributors are? You must be a troll.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 17:17:32 GMT -8
You know what, I looked back on that, and I called you aztecqueen. Cry me a river runner boy. You weren't exactly cordial to me as well. And, it's no shock that you back the negative crony crew, since you're one of them. The negative crony count is now at 8 since you've decided to join in. It was much more than that, haha. It was nasty stuff. Sugar coat how you’d like though. Yeah, stop being a crony, "runner boy!"
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Post by zurac315 on Feb 23, 2018 20:59:57 GMT -8
Well, I just put on my new Disgruntled Monty hat!
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Post by junior on Feb 23, 2018 21:05:52 GMT -8
There's a way to block members and not see their posts. Use it. Unfortunately, that only works if no one else quotes them - and they may be some other psotter's best buds… so you still get to wade through their nonsense. But yeah, it's a start.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 23, 2018 21:59:28 GMT -8
While I agree that sine people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? Absolutely. What happens if no one responds to the, "Player bashing?" It stops. People post comments to get a response, positive or negative. Instead of giving comments that you feel are unworthy or unfair the lack of attention you feel they deserve you comment on them and attack the person posting said comments - ESCALATING the situation. How does that make things better? It doesn't. At all. It makes the problem worse. There are people here who are pessimistic by nature and see all the flaws in the teams and believe they need to be addressed. Instead of trying to look at a differing point of view as legitimate from that person's perspective, other people here assume the worst and attack the person making the comments rather than just letting those comments slide (unnoticed and largely ignored) into history. Instead of letting that stuff go things are escalated way out of proportion. That IS just as bad as posting a comment bashing a player or coach for a bad performance. It really is. It takes two people (or more) to have a flame war online. If someone posts something that others feel is unwarranted or unfair then don't call attention to it, post a more constructive comment instead. It really isn't hard to do. But you have to want to do it. Part of the problem, or part of the solution. It's a cliche, but it really fits here. Escalating conflict isn't part of the solution. Ever.
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