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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 12:25:11 GMT -8
guttersipe got time out for 2 weeks too! Thank you and that seems appropriate - and further illustrates some questionable penalty-giving. The fact that giju (obvious player-bashing troll) got the same punishment as gutter (overly defeatist/contrarian spam - annoying, but doesn't cross a nasty line IMHO) makes me wonder what policing guide you're going by?
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Post by aztecking on Feb 23, 2018 12:40:38 GMT -8
I'm seeing 6 now. Proud of me? You really gotta calm down with the ”holier than thou” attitude. You’ve used homophobic language to me in past threads. You are as bad as the “trolls” you criticize.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 12:43:10 GMT -8
Yeah not that anyone does/should care, but my activity on this board is fading quickly and it would be relatively painless at this point for me to delete my account and stop coming here due to the mods being complete pu55ies about taking out the trash A good example of an ad hominem attack. I probably should raise your threat level, but I won't. Is this really the way you want to convince someone to change his behavior in a way more suitable to you? Just asking. WLR
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 23, 2018 13:07:10 GMT -8
They are angry and rightfully so because of the behavior that is allowed to permeate this board. LTB won't be the last to leave and the responsibility for that lays at the feet of those not paying attention.
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Post by onelittleindian on Feb 23, 2018 13:28:32 GMT -8
Solution: Pay-per-post.
You get 25 (?) free posts per month and after that you pay a small fee (could go to the AAF or something). If you think your opinion on something is important enough to share (or sadly, in many case here, the trolls find every f'in thing in their wheelhouse of alleged expertise), then be be prepared to literally and figuratively drop a dime.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 13:38:33 GMT -8
Well, I've been thinking over the complaints expressed in this thread. I have to assume that they are sincere. (I'm not terribly happy about some of the names we've been called, but let's let that go, at least for the moment.)
I started AztecMesa in 2009. I have always thought that is was a worthwhile use of my time and energy. That is, until now. If the predominant feeling of the registered members of this site is as negative as many of these posts indicate, I'm starting to wonder whether I should close up shop and devote my time to other activities. I’m not there yet, but for the first time the prospect is no longer unthinkable.
I do have an alternate strategy, although it is one I would utilize somewhat reluctantly. Under this plan, I would examine all new threads and delete any that I feel are negative, repetitive, or in some other way objectionable. (Of course, inevitably, the decision to allow or delete a thread would be up to me.) Perhaps that policy would be welcomed by those who feel that AztecMesa has lost its way. In any case, I would hope so.
I also hope members will let me know whether they; (A) would like to see the site continue, and (B) whether my plan to improve the site is reasonable.
Thanks.
William L. Rupp
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 13:41:13 GMT -8
Solution: Pay-per-post. You get 25 (?) free posts per month and after that you pay a small fee (could go to the AAF or something). If you think your opinion on something is important enough to share (or sadly, in many case here, the trolls find every f'in thing in their wheelhouse of alleged expertise), then be be prepared to literally and figuratively drop a dime. Possibly a good idea, but - - - boy! - - - this would be really difficult to implement. WRL
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Post by richpjr on Feb 23, 2018 13:45:00 GMT -8
The idea of having to spend the time needed to look at every new thread seems like a really poor use of your time and I imagine will get old very quickly. In my opinion, and clearly this is not shared by everyone as this thread indicates, a heavily moderated board is not a great idea. But if it comes to it, enforcing the existing rules a bit tighter should solve most of the problems from the trolls and the massive overreaction to them. Sometimes people need to be careful what they wish for...
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 23, 2018 13:54:09 GMT -8
Yeah not that anyone does/should care, but my activity on this board is fading quickly and it would be relatively painless at this point for me to delete my account and stop coming here due to the mods being complete pu55ies about taking out the trash A good example of an ad hominem attack. I probably should raise your threat level, but I won't. Is this really the way you want to convince someone to change his behavior in a way more suitable to you? Just asking. WLR Apologies for the name calling, that was definitely out of line. I got hot-headed reading the troll posts and reacted irrationally
Also, I appreciate the fact that without you starting this site it likely wouldn't exist and I do rely on it for up to date news and enjoy talking Aztecs with the reasonable people, at least before the trolls destroy the threads. If you find it too cumbersome to monitor the site with the current mods, it might be worth while to add one or two more. I don't think it'd be a difficult fix (and it would be rather instantaneous) for you to just rid this place of the trolls. Everyone knows who they are and can't stand them, so I don't understand the hesitation
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 23, 2018 13:57:43 GMT -8
You could improve the board immensely just by following the stated policies....Enforce your own rules. It doesn't require extreme censorship. It just requires paying attention and common sense - There are a few select posters who literally post nothing of value.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 14:12:04 GMT -8
Here's a detail on my suggestion for strict monitoring of new threads. I think what I shall do is, upon determining that a thread is objectionable, post a message such as "This thread is deemed objectionalbe". Then I would lock the thread. This would let all members know which threads have been found unacceptable.
Again, just a concept being considered.
WLR
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 14:12:41 GMT -8
You could improve the board immensely just by following the stated policies....Enforce your own rules. It doesn't require extreme censorship. It just requires paying attention and common sense - There are a few select posters who literally post nothing of value. If the rules were as strictly enforced as wish, you might be surprised at who gets punished. There are lots of posters (besides the few that you are trying to single out) who post nothing of value by hijacking threads or adding nothing to an ongoing conversation, preferring to name call or disparage other posters, carrying on and engaging posters with back-and-forth insults. Bottom line: be careful what you wish for.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 14:14:20 GMT -8
Here's a detail on my suggestion for strict monitoring of new threads. I think what I shall do is, upon determining that a thread is objectionable, post a message such as "This thread is deemed objectionalbe". Then I would lock the thread. This would let all members know which threads have been found unacceptable. Again, just a concept being considered. WLR A good start, but fyi, that won't be enough for some posters whose sole purpose is to make this place an "everything is rosy, how dare you speak negatively of the Aztecs" drum circle of affirmation.
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Post by texasaztec on Feb 23, 2018 14:16:15 GMT -8
I have been around here for about 7-8 years (previous iteration was "pseudoaztec"). I don't post often, mostly observe. I am a contrarian in many aspects of my life...religion, politics, investing, etc. I know what it is to be a contrarian. But, I don't feel the need to spout my contrary opinions willy nilly. There are some folks on here who seem to feel the need...as if it is their patriotic duty. Or, akin to an arsonist, they seem to like to light it and watch it burn. By evidence of the shear number of posts of some of these posters (like 10-20 posts a DAY in some cases), I think some people either have too much time on their hands, or are somewhat obsessed. The passive-aggressive "I know better than you do" with a wink wink and a ha ha is totally transparent. More and more I am visiting goaztecs.com for my "facts", and less and less here. I always try my best not to be direct and personal in my responses to posts, but I have to say that a certain recent suspension was a much needed rest from that particular tiresome contrarian. Your ideas are definitely well thought out. I appreciate the input. I have listed the main reasons why members can be banned. Starting threads that are in some way objectionable to others really is not one of those reasons, unless the objections are based on the site’s basic rules. (e.g., I am not very tolerant of ad hominem attacks on other posters.) Here’s an interesting fact. I just did some calculating and found that the average number of posts per day on the Aztec sports board is 310. And that’s just the sports board. Furthermore, some days (holiday’s, etc.) are slow, while on other days there is a torrent of posts. That runs to an average of over 2100 per week. We do our best, but sometimes it’s not easy to respond to issues as promptly as we would like. We’re all volunteers with personal lives, as you surely understand. I recognize that some members object to the posts of other members. I am in that category. As stated, I’m fairly exercised by complaints of the team not having enough heart. I think such a complaint is really lacking in substance. On the other hand, many do not like my opinions when posting as AztecWilliam, especially then the topic is politics. I feel that I must not retaliate in an official way when that happens. We will do our best to improve AztecMesa. However, banning posters on the grounds that some of us consider them trolls will probably cause us to be labeled arbitrary and dictatorial. Remember the adage, Do Not Feed the Trolls. Just ignore them. I think the best way to respond to them is to not respond. William L. Rupp LTB...his main response is ignore them. I don't think he get's what you're saying. I feel the same. I like diversity of opinion, and even though I'm an optimist, I consider "negative" viewpoints thoughtfully IF, there is substance to them. Unfortunatly, very few negative posters, especially the main abusers, offer any true substance. THey just throw garbage. I try to ignore them too...and I especially find it distasteful when people hijack threads and argue back and forth trading garbage/attach/personal condemnation/etc. Those threads happens WAY too often. I think it might be time to find a new board. The mods don't seem to take this problem really seriously and its driving people away. LTB..next time I'm in San Diego, I'll sit down with you for pizza a beer. That sounds like a good time. GO Aztecs!
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 14:20:48 GMT -8
You could improve the board immensely just by following the stated policies....Enforce your own rules. It doesn't require extreme censorship. It just requires paying attention and common sense - There are a few select posters who literally post nothing of value. Not extreme censorship, maybe, but what has been suggested is that certain posters' threads are so objectionable that they should they should be banned. And there is the problem. You may feel that they should be banned because "they literally post nothing of value." Who gets to decide that "they literally post nothing of value"? Quite a few posters apparently believe that such malfeasance in posting is so self-evident that it's obvious to everyone. In reality, it's not as easy at that. WLR
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 14:22:54 GMT -8
Well, I've been thinking over the complaints expressed in this thread. I have to assume that they are sincere. (I'm not terribly happy about some of the names we've been called, but let's let that go, at least for the moment.) I started AztecMesa in 2009. I have always thought that is was a worthwhile use of my time and energy. That is, until now. If the predominant feeling of the registered members of this site is as negative as many of these posts indicate, I'm starting to wonder whether I should close up shop and devote my time to other activities. I’m not there yet, but for the first time the prospect is no longer unthinkable. I do have an alternate strategy, although it is one I would utilize somewhat reluctantly. Under this plan, I would examine all new threads and delete any that I feel are negative, repetitive, or in some other way objectionable. (Of course, inevitably, the decision to allow or delete a thread would be up to me.) Perhaps that policy would be welcomed by those who feel that AztecMesa has lost its way. In any case, I would hope so. I also hope members will let me know whether they; (A) would like to see the site continue, and (B) whether my plan to improve the site is reasonable. Thanks. William L. Rupp William, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. It doesn't need to be complicated or time consuming. 99% of us can see who the obvious trolls are and there aren't that many. One, in particular, posted 500+ times and most of them were player-bashing. Heck, you don't even need to read his posts, all you need to do is read his thread titles to see the trolling. One would think any slightly competent mod who spent even 10-15 mins. a day reading the Aztec sports section here could see it without needing to be alerted via PM. After 6 years of his trolling, you finally ban him for…2 weeks? Wouldn’t be my choice for punishment, but OK. He’s been back for a week now and hasn’t changed his behavior. Understandably, many of us are rubbed the wrong way and some call him out for it in the threads. Now Panther accuses us of being just as much to blame? How about instead perma-banning the clown like any reasonable mod would do? Problem solved and you don’t have to worry about “the other side” chiming in. Again, it's not rocket science. Simple modding is all that is required. PS: I’ve noticed Fish has made an effort of late which is appreciated. Yet I see above that one of his concerns is that he has to run banning by you and Panther first? Assuming that is an imposed system by you and Panther, I’d suggest you get rid of it. Fish seems to acknowledge who these clowns are. Give him banning power.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 14:34:55 GMT -8
Well, I've been thinking over the complaints expressed in this thread. I have to assume that they are sincere. (I'm not terribly happy about some of the names we've been called, but let's let that go, at least for the moment.) I started AztecMesa in 2009. I have always thought that is was a worthwhile use of my time and energy. That is, until now. If the predominant feeling of the registered members of this site is as negative as many of these posts indicate, I'm starting to wonder whether I should close up shop and devote my time to other activities. I’m not there yet, but for the first time the prospect is no longer unthinkable. I do have an alternate strategy, although it is one I would utilize somewhat reluctantly. Under this plan, I would examine all new threads and delete any that I feel are negative, repetitive, or in some other way objectionable. (Of course, inevitably, the decision to allow or delete a thread would be up to me.) Perhaps that policy would be welcomed by those who feel that AztecMesa has lost its way. In any case, I would hope so. I also hope members will let me know whether they; (A) would like to see the site continue, and (B) whether my plan to improve the site is reasonable. Thanks. William L. Rupp William, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. It doesn't need to be complicated or time consuming. 99% of us can see who the obvious trolls are and there aren't that many. One, in particular, posted 500+ times and most of them were player-bashing. Heck, you don't even need to read his posts, all you need to do is read his thread titles to see the trolling. One would think any slightly competent mod who spent even 10-15 mins. a day reading the Aztec sports section here could see it without needing to be alerted via PM. After 6 years of his trolling, you finally ban him for…2 weeks? Wouldn’t be my choice for punishment, but OK. He’s been back for a week now and hasn’t changed his behavior. Understandably, many of us are rubbed the wrong way and some call him out for it in the threads. Now Panther accuses us of being just as much to blame? How about instead perma-banning the clown like any reasonable mod would do? Problem solved and you don’t have to worry about “the other side” chiming in. Again, it's not rocket science. Simple modding is all that is required. PS: I’ve noticed Fish has made an effort of late which is appreciated. Yet I see above that one of his concerns is that he has to run banning by you and Panther first? Assuming that is an imposed system by you and Panther, I’d suggest you get rid of it. Fish seems to acknowledge who these clowns are. Give him banning power. Good thoughts. I will see if we need to change the rules. WLR
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Post by azteca on Feb 23, 2018 14:40:10 GMT -8
You could improve the board immensely just by following the stated policies....Enforce your own rules. It doesn't require extreme censorship. It just requires paying attention and common sense - There are a few select posters who literally post nothing of value. Not extreme censorship, maybe, but what has been suggested is that certain posters' threads are so objectionable that they should they should be banned. And there is the problem. You may feel that they should be banned because "they literally post nothing of value." Who gets to decide that "they literally post nothing of value"? Quite a few posters apparently believe that such malfeasance in posting is so self-evident that it's obvious to everyone. In reality, it's not as easy at that. WLR If you look at a lot if the threads it will be easy to see who hijacks them and it's not necessarily for constructive thoughts.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 15:01:48 GMT -8
I hope everybody understands that I am not very comfortable being the one who tells one poster, "Gee, you are really incisive and well-reasoned," and another poster, "You are a jerk. You are banned." Some people think this is an easy thing to do, judging who is the jerk and who is not. Well, in fact it's not so easy. (I'd say that one or two members, based on political board discussions, would like to have me ban myself. ) WLR
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Post by hoobs on Feb 23, 2018 15:04:10 GMT -8
It's not that active, but there's an SDSU subreddit on Reddit. www.reddit.com/r/SDSUAZTECS. If anyone wants to start posting there I'll gladly join. The great thing about Reddit is that there are upvotes and downvotes and the heavily downvoted posts are hidden by default. There's also another, very good, Aztec board. Owners of this board won't let its name or url be posted on this site, however.
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