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Post by zurac315 on Feb 23, 2018 22:32:54 GMT -8
Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? Absolutely. What happens if no one responds to the, "Player bashing?" It stops. People post comments to get a response, positive or negative. Instead of giving comments that you feel are unworthy or unfair the lack of attention you feel they deserve you comment on them and attack the person posting said comments - ESCALATING the situation. How does that make things better? It doesn't. At all. It makes the problem worse. There are people here who are pessimistic by nature and see all the flaws in the teams and believe they need to be addressed. Instead of trying to look at a differing point of view as legitimate from that person's perspective, other people here assume the worst and attack the person making the comments rather than just letting those comments slide (unnoticed and largely ignored) into history. Instead of letting that stuff go things are escalated way out of proportion. That IS just as bad as posting a comment bashing a player or coach for a bad performance. It really is. It takes two people (or more) to have a flame war online. If someone posts something that others feel is unwarranted or unfair then don't call attention to it, post a more constructive comment instead. It really isn't hard to do. But you have to want to do it. Part of the problem, or part of the solution. It's a cliche, but it really fits here. Escalating conflict isn't part of the solution. Ever. Well, I just have no response to that.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 22:37:32 GMT -8
The idea of "active" modding is untenable. Everybody knows it. Unless you have nothing else to do, which you have clearly stated not to be the case. The two ideas that I like are the pay to post idea, and the thumb up and down function. I realize that implementing the pay to post idea is problematic. But, the thumb up/thumb down function ought to be fairly easy to implement. Within that function there should be a "will of the people" criteria. Something like if a certain post attains a percentage of thumbs down, it automatically gets removed. We would self police, with minimal need for a moderator. It's all in the programming and the "will of the people". If certain posters just can't help themselves, they would be voted off the island so to speak. Worth considering. I'm going to have to do some research to see what is possible in the ProBoards system. WLR
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 22:39:43 GMT -8
You sound like Trump talking about Charlottesville. And here's a prime example of thread hijacking...but wait, it isn't by a supposed "troll," so it's ok I guess. I agree that this is not good. NorthCounty, are you listening? WLR
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 24, 2018 0:22:12 GMT -8
And here's a prime example of thread hijacking...but wait, it isn't by a supposed "troll," so it's ok I guess. I agree that this is not good. NorthCounty, are you listening? WLR There are at least two of us with that in our screen name. So, on behalf of all of us, I'll accept the target (this time) . Keep in mind, not only was the particular post I'm referring to a thread hijack, but it was also deliberately posted with the clear intent to rile up people's feelings and/or emotions. The good news is that, unlike a lot of Team Head in the Sand, I don't reply to many of those types of worthless posts. The irony gets me every time I see someone post a thread like that and then rail on someone else who actually posts something that has more to do with that thread's topic.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 24, 2018 11:36:42 GMT -8
I agree that this is not good. NorthCounty, are you listening? WLR There are at least two of us with that in our screen name. So, on behalf of all of us, I'll accept the target (this time) . Keep in mind, not only was the particular post I'm referring to a thread hijack, but it was also deliberately posted with the clear intent to rile up people's feelings and/or emotions. The good news is that, unlike a lot of Team Head in the Sand, I don't reply to many of those types of worthless posts. The irony gets me every time I see someone post a thread like that and then rail on someone else who actually posts something that has more to do with that thread's topic. Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 24, 2018 11:53:31 GMT -8
I agree that this is not good. NorthCounty, are you listening? WLR There are at least two of us with that in our screen name. So, on behalf of all of us, I'll accept the target (this time) . Keep in mind, not only was the particular post I'm referring to a thread hijack, but it was also deliberately posted with the clear intent to rile up people's feelings and/or emotions. The good news is that, unlike a lot of Team Head in the Sand, I don't reply to many of those types of worthless posts. The irony gets me every time I see someone post a thread like that and then rail on someone else who actually posts something that has more to do with that thread's topic. Taking one for the team
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Post by North County Aztec on Feb 24, 2018 12:04:05 GMT -8
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Post by NCAztec82 on Feb 24, 2018 12:41:46 GMT -8
3 points:
-- "This Post is Hidden" works
-- I hope LTB stays
-- It's too early to say if this is a disappointing season
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Post by legkick on Feb 24, 2018 13:06:05 GMT -8
not really, just needlessly inflaming things by calling people "Team Head in the Sand". He's not the WPOTB for nothing. and quote replying him is a big part of the problem. Completely defeats the block function.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 24, 2018 14:00:36 GMT -8
There are at least two of us with that in our screen name. So, on behalf of all of us, I'll accept the target (this time) . Keep in mind, not only was the particular post I'm referring to a thread hijack, but it was also deliberately posted with the clear intent to rile up people's feelings and/or emotions. The good news is that, unlike a lot of Team Head in the Sand, I don't reply to many of those types of worthless posts. The irony gets me every time I see someone post a thread like that and then rail on someone else who actually posts something that has more to do with that thread's topic. Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR No argument from me, William; I think you run a fair board and your take on calling anyone unpleasant names is bad. I may be critical but I refrain from name-calling and I would never call a player an "idiot," for example. I understand it takes a lot of time and effort to monitor and police a message board; especially a large one with particularly passionate fans. I grow tired of hearing about those complaining that you (and others) aren't doing a good enough job. To me, it seems an awful lot like they think they're above the law and shouldn't have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Funny thing is that they've always been free to leave and create their own board. However, I think they know, deep down, that it's not as easy as they want it to be, and that suspending or banning people willy nilly is a great way to ensure zero participation and halt the growth of a board.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 24, 2018 14:05:45 GMT -8
not really, just needlessly inflaming things by calling people "Team Head in the Sand". He's not the WPOTB for nothing. and quote replying him is a big part of the problem. Completely defeats the block function. Oh nice, and "WPOTB" (which was used well before "Team Head in the Sand" was) is totally fine? It's clear that "WPOTB" is directed at me only, when I lumped a select group of posters together with the moniker I created. Your arrogance, not to mention your hypocrisy is astounding. And now, NorthCountyAztec, he's going to tell you how things at Proboards work and how you need to change the way you respond to people so that it's pleasing to him. Haha - nice.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 24, 2018 15:35:28 GMT -8
3 points: -- "This Post is Hidden" works It doesn't. 3 points: -- I hope LTB stays Thanks for the sentiment. We'll see. 3 points: -- It's too early to say if this is a disappointing season It's been disappointing to date. Doubt this team can catch fire, a la UConn a few years back when they reeled off 10 or 12 straight to the national championship following a middle-of-the-pack performance in their conference -- especially no that Pope is likely sidelined for the remainder of his SDSU career.
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Post by legkick on Feb 24, 2018 15:39:23 GMT -8
3 points: -- "This Post is Hidden" works It doesn't. LTB is right. Too many people hit the "Quote" button reflexively. Then the noxious garbage gets republished.
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Post by longtimebooster on Feb 24, 2018 15:40:45 GMT -8
There are at least two of us with that in our screen name. So, on behalf of all of us, I'll accept the target (this time) . Keep in mind, not only was the particular post I'm referring to a thread hijack, but it was also deliberately posted with the clear intent to rile up people's feelings and/or emotions. The good news is that, unlike a lot of Team Head in the Sand, I don't reply to many of those types of worthless posts. The irony gets me every time I see someone post a thread like that and then rail on someone else who actually posts something that has more to do with that thread's topic. Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR Again, you are completely, utterly missing the point. Most people on this board can tolerate the occasional poster who lets fly some frustration or engages in name calling. That can be quickly quashed. It's the handful of psotters -- maybe 3 to 6 -- who are here simply to create mischief and take glee in hijacking threads with nonsensical takes. It's a freaking problem. And one that comes with an easy solution. If you can't see that, I just don't know what to do or say.
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Post by azteca on Feb 24, 2018 16:10:44 GMT -8
Speaking of thread hijacks, I hope we are not expected to take action on those. I, too, have been frustrated at times when posters go off in different directions. But it’s really not practical to vet every post in every thread to make sure that only the thread topic is being addressed. Also, I consider thread hijacks pretty small potatoes compared to such behaviors as attacking fellow posters personally. I’ll take this opportunity to share some information that I intended to post earlier but failed to. I calculated the traffic on AztecMesa and found that the daily average of new posts, ON THE SPORTS BOARD ALONE, is 310. That amounts to over 2100 per week. Of course, some days (holidays, etc.) are slow, while there is a deluge of traffic on other days. And if a moderator is very busy a given day (doctors appt., visiting relatives, attending a game, etc.) the new posts can pile up considerably. Here's another point that's worth considering. My view is that calling other posters unpleasant names is bad. How about calling players unpleasant names? Are there degrees of player-criticism? How about this one? "Joe Muscles was really ineffective at right tackle today.” Seems okay to me. How about this one? "Joe Muscles is always ineffective, as he was again today” Again, I would not say that statement is beyond the pale. Okay, how about this third statement? "Joe Muscles couldn’t block my grandmother, and she’s been dead for three years. Pull that idiot’s scholarship!” Help me, please. Should I take action against a member who posted the third example? If yes, what? Send a critical PM? Raise his warning level? Ban the member outright? Your advice would be welcomed. I don’t say that I could not do a better job, but policing a fan site such as this one is tougher than those who have never tried it probably realize. And, to be honest, not every person agrees that a given post is objectionable. The best we can do is to redouble our efforts in hopes of improving the site. WLR Again, you are completely, utterly missing the point. Most people on this board can tolerate the occasional poster who lets fly some frustration or engages in name calling. That can be quickly quashed. It's the handful of psotters -- maybe 3 to 6 -- who are here simply to create mischief and take glee in hijacking threads with nonsensical takes. It's a freaking problem. And one that comes with an easy solution. If you can't see that, I just don't know what to do or say. ^^^^ This
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Post by NCAztec82 on Feb 24, 2018 16:24:53 GMT -8
LTB is right. Too many people hit the "Quote" button reflexively. Then the noxious garbage gets republished. You do have to be logged in for that functionality to work. When I see consecutive "Hidden" posts, I know I can ignore any quotes containing the Blocked Member. It's a tough virus to defeat, but I have been less annoyed by simply averting my trained reading eye. "Look away."
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Post by azteccc on Feb 24, 2018 16:41:56 GMT -8
This thread is now more pages long than the amount of posters we need to get rid of to make this place approximately 31x better.
I blame the people who gave our Mods crap for wanting to fire Rocky. You know this is your fault, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 17:10:29 GMT -8
While I agree that some people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. Weak!! Just for the record, take a look who liked this insufficient BS. It's the honest critic/azzhole.
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Post by legkick on Feb 24, 2018 17:15:32 GMT -8
Weak!! Just for the record, take a look who liked this insufficient BS. It's the honest critic/azzhole. You know you're on the wrong track when the WPOTB is the one liking your posts (except when he does it on purpose just to troll you).
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 24, 2018 18:07:22 GMT -8
Weak!! Just for the record, take a look who liked this insufficient BS. It's the honest critic/azzhole. You know you're on the wrong track when the WPOTB is the one liking your posts (except when he does it on purpose just to troll you). You really need to reassess how much you let another poster influence you. Also, do you really think your posts are doing anything to help your cause?
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