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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 10:06:39 GMT -8
One of the forum rules: *Do Not quote messages sent by PM on the open board. If the mods actually policed/enforced their stated rules, this thread wouldn't exist. They don't, so I say good on LTB for ignoring that particular rule and showing us all their indifference.
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 10:20:26 GMT -8
As I have posted a number of times, I have chosen to use AztecWilliam for regular fan posts, saving William L. Rupp for official AztecMesa business. My response to you simply emphasized again that I want to keep my fan type posts and AztecMesa posts separate. By no means am I ignoring your concern. Here’s a suggestion. Anyone who feels that certain posters are a problem should identify same and I will immediately ban them. Hmm. On second thought, that might not be such a good idea. Well, the first part does have merit. Let's say that I am presented with a list of unacceptable posters. I PM them and ask them to stop. (Question: stop what? Stop being jerks, based on accusations made by other posters?) I’ll tell you about the responses I have gotten a few times when I did just that. They do NOT say, “Gosh, I’m sorry, I’ll never do that again.” Instead, the offending posters defend themselves is various ways and in no way admit guilt. Okay, what should I do at that point? Well, I could ban them for not issuing a mea culpa when confronted with accusations from other posters. Sorry, but I don’t like that idea any better than the first remedy mentioned above. The policy of this site is that members can be banned for a number of reasons. That would include, although not necessarily limited to, attacking other posters personally (and such offenses would have to be pretty serious), posting something libelous, or posting substantial portions of copyrighted material. In fact, a number of members have been banned since AztecMesa was founded in 2009 one or more of those causes. Unlike what the author of this threat thinks, there is NOT an easy answer to this problem. But let’s examine this problem a bit more. I take issue when somebody attacks Aztec players personally. I get even more riled up when someone says the team has no heart. (What the HELL does that mean???) I may think they are way out of line saying such things about players who are, as far as I know, doing their best. But I don’t think it is right for me to ban such posters because I do not agree with their posts. Being a moderator of a fan website such as this one is not, repeat not easy. Could I do a better job? Probably. I know that sometimes I’m not as quick as I should be to deal with certain issues. But I think it’s worthwhile. My mother graduated from San Diego State in 1939, by late cousin in 1953, and I am a member of the class of 1964. So I’ve been an Aztec fan for a long time, and hope to keep AztecMesa going for a few more years. Oh, yes, I’m afraid I will have to pass on the suggestion to hold a meeting. William L. Rupp You're completely missing the point. And, yes, I copied my original message and sent it to William L. Rupp, to which I received no response. I don't have a problem with contrarian views, disagreements and kerfuffles of all shapes and sizes. I'm a big boy. I didn't cry at the movies when Old Yeller died. And many -- most even -- who are angry/upset/miffed about a certain aspect of an Aztec team/game/issue bring some good points to the table that should be considered. That's the beauty of a board like this. The point is that the community on this board has devolved dramatically over the past couple years due to the mischief of about half a dozen postters who have made it their mission to derail every conversation and wreak general mayhem wherever/whenever they can. It's ridiculous. Someone starts a thread about how they think the Campanile on campus looks beautiful in the sunset and the next thing you know there are six pages of how Trey Kell is the embodiment of evil and he should be drawn and quartered in the public square at noon. And then there are three spin-off threads about the same topic with the same tone and tenor. Further, the arguments contained in those threads are generally inane word salads devoid of substance and designed only cause a commotion. This is unacceptable. And, no, I'm not going to run around wasting my time bringing you a pile of examples because 1) that's you're freaking job as moderator, 2) if you can't see this for yourself, what are you doing moderating a board like this, and 3) if I were to bring you examples (which I did, BTW, pointing you to three off-the-rail threads), your past actions and history suggest you wouldn't do anything with it anyway.As for the suggestion to just block annoying psotters, that's pure laziness and dereliction of duty on your part. I've tried that with two psotters. It doesn't work. Threads still get hopelessly hijacked. I'm still forced to wade through irrelevant, angry responses. And the psotter whom I've blocked still ends up getting reposted in numerous responses to their repetitive inanity. And don't tell me it's hard to define what/who a troll is. That's like a certain someone quibbling over "what the definition of is is." Grow a pair. It's your board. Take control. Use the Justice Potter Stewart approach to defining pornography: "I know it when I see it." I've been on these boards for a long time. For the most part, it's been a great experience. I've met many of the psotters. They're good peeps. My tribe. I've even met you, William, on a few occasions. I harbor no ill will. And I'm sorry for having to air this in public rather than via a PM, but the lack of response has been wholly inadequate. Further, I would have preferred to have sat down face-to-face over beers and pizza with other fellow travelers and provided constructive feedback and developed useful solutions everyone could live with. I'm still puzzled as to why you find that such a non-starter. So there you have it. I've said my piece. I'll be pondering my options at the fork in the road over the next few days. Take care, all. Aztec for Life. ^THIS^ Don't be fooled, William is being disingenuous with his response. I too have numerous examples of following their suggestion and PM'ing, with little to no follow up or action. As azteccc wrote: do what Fembone did. It's not rocket science. She ALONE did more appropriate modding and banning of trolls in one season than the combined mods here have done in the years since she left. There's more going on here than, "it's hard." Please own up to it, William.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 10:22:20 GMT -8
As I have posted a number of times, I have chosen to use AztecWilliam for regular fan posts, saving William L. Rupp for official AztecMesa business. My response to you simply emphasized again that I want to keep my fan type posts and AztecMesa posts separate. By no means am I ignoring your concern. Here’s a suggestion. Anyone who feels that certain posters are a problem should identify same and I will immediately ban them. Hmm. On second thought, that might not be such a good idea. Well, the first part does have merit. Let's say that I am presented with a list of unacceptable posters. I PM them and ask them to stop. (Question: stop what? Stop being jerks, based on accusations made by other posters?) I’ll tell you about the responses I have gotten a few times when I did just that. They do NOT say, “Gosh, I’m sorry, I’ll never do that again.” Instead, the offending posters defend themselves is various ways and in no way admit guilt. Okay, what should I do at that point? Well, I could ban them for not issuing a mea culpa when confronted with accusations from other posters. Sorry, but I don’t like that idea any better than the first remedy mentioned above. The policy of this site is that members can be banned for a number of reasons. That would include, although not necessarily limited to, attacking other posters personally (and such offenses would have to be pretty serious), posting something libelous, or posting substantial portions of copyrighted material. In fact, a number of members have been banned since AztecMesa was founded in 2009 one or more of those causes. Unlike what the author of this threat thinks, there is NOT an easy answer to this problem. But let’s examine this problem a bit more. I take issue when somebody attacks Aztec players personally. I get even more riled up when someone says the team has no heart. (What the HELL does that mean???) I may think they are way out of line saying such things about players who are, as far as I know, doing their best. But I don’t think it is right for me to ban such posters because I do not agree with their posts. Being a moderator of a fan website such as this one is not, repeat not easy. Could I do a better job? Probably. I know that sometimes I’m not as quick as I should be to deal with certain issues. But I think it’s worthwhile. My mother graduated from San Diego State in 1939, by late cousin in 1953, and I am a member of the class of 1964. So I’ve been an Aztec fan for a long time, and hope to keep AztecMesa going for a few more years. Oh, yes, I’m afraid I will have to pass on the suggestion to hold a meeting. William L. Rupp You're completely missing the point. And, yes, I copied my original message and sent it to William L. Rupp, to which I received no response. I don't have a problem with contrarian views, disagreements and kerfuffles of all shapes and sizes. I'm a big boy. I didn't cry at the movies when Old Yeller died. And many -- most even -- who are angry/upset/miffed about a certain aspect of an Aztec team/game/issue bring some good points to the table that should be considered. That's the beauty of a board like this. The point is that the community on this board has devolved dramatically over the past couple years due to the mischief of about half a dozen postters who have made it their mission to derail every conversation and wreak general mayhem wherever/whenever they can. It's ridiculous. Someone starts a thread about how they think the Campanile on campus looks beautiful in the sunset and the next thing you know there are six pages of how Trey Kell is the embodiment of evil and he should be drawn and quartered in the public square at noon. And then there are three spin-off threads about the same topic with the same tone and tenor. Further, the arguments contained in those threads are generally inane word salads devoid of substance and designed only cause a commotion. This is unacceptable. And, no, I'm not going to run around wasting my time bringing you a pile of examples because 1) that's you're freaking job as moderator, 2) if you can't see this for yourself, what are you doing moderating a board like this, and 3) if I were to bring you examples (which I did, BTW, pointing you to three off-the-rail threads), your past actions and history suggest you wouldn't do anything with it anyway.
As for the suggestion to just block annoying psotters, that's pure laziness and dereliction of duty on your part. I've tried that with two psotters. It doesn't work. Threads still get hopelessly hijacked. I'm still forced to wade through irrelevant, angry responses. And the psotter whom I've blocked still ends up getting reposted in numerous responses to their repetitive inanity. And don't tell me it's hard to define what/who a troll is. That's like a certain someone quibbling over "what the definition of is is." Grow a pair. It's your board. Take control. Use the Justice Potter Stewart approach to defining pornography: "I know it when I see it." I've been on these boards for a long time. For the most part, it's been a great experience. I've met many of the psotters. They're good peeps. My tribe. I've even met you, William, on a few occasions. I harbor no ill will. And I'm sorry for having to air this in public rather than via a PM, but the lack of response has been wholly inadequate. Further, I would have preferred to have sat down face-to-face over beers and pizza with other fellow travelers and provided constructive feedback and developed useful solutions everyone could live with. I'm still puzzled as to why you find that such a non-starter. So there you have it. I've said my piece. I'll be pondering my options at the fork in the road over the next few days. Take care, all. Aztec for Life. Boo hoo, just effing leave already. It's a sports message board; you act like someone owes you something because you've been here a while and you like to call out "trolls." When you're done patting yourself on the back for the good deeds you have done, don't let the door hit you on the way out. If you're that upset, create your own message board where you can kick out whoever you want and everyone can sing Kumbaya. Or, team up with a handful of others and do it.
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 10:23:03 GMT -8
Why did she leave? Time? Family? I think she got a bit worn out dealing with posters. In any rate, she felt it was time to step aside. Her time as a moderator was greatly appreciated. WLR
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Post by myownwords on Feb 23, 2018 10:27:06 GMT -8
Why did she leave? Time? Family? I think she got a bit worn out dealing with posters. In any rate, she felt it was time to step aside. Her time as a moderator was greatly appreciated. WLR Thanks. She was very personable.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 23, 2018 10:38:39 GMT -8
Yeah not that anyone does/should care, but my activity on this board is fading quickly and it would be relatively painless at this point for me to delete my account and stop coming here due to the mods being complete pu55ies about taking out the trash
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Post by mactec on Feb 23, 2018 10:54:23 GMT -8
It's not that active, but there's an SDSU subreddit on Reddit. www.reddit.com/r/SDSUAZTECS. If anyone wants to start posting there I'll gladly join. The great thing about Reddit is that there are upvotes and downvotes and the heavily downvoted posts are hidden by default.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 23, 2018 11:22:49 GMT -8
While I agree that some people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing.
There are people to blame on both sides.
If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period.
By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view.
Both sides are to blame.
We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done.
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Post by bagtec on Feb 23, 2018 11:31:20 GMT -8
These threads are my favorite threads
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 23, 2018 11:33:26 GMT -8
Why did she leave? Time? Family? She grew exceedingly tired of wading through B.S. posts insulting fellow posters, SDSU players or MODS. She realized like other SDSU fans she could interact and glean all the information she needed re: SDSU Athletics on Facebook. I'm getting to the point where I'm going to ban posters w/o the benefit of consulting Erik or Wm and let the chips fall where they may! I'm tired of the bickering over the slightest controversial post. Trolls and Student Athlete Critics Beware!
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 11:33:37 GMT -8
While I agree that sine people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? You have just exposed your/the board's hypocrisy and there's really not much else to say.
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 11:37:34 GMT -8
Why did she leave? Time? Family? She grew exceedingly tired of wading through B.S. posts insulting fellow posters, SDSU players or MODS. She realized like other SDSU fans she could interact and glean all the information she needed re: SDSU Athletics on Facebook. I'm getting to the point where I'm going to ban posters w/o the benefit of consulting Erik or Wm and let the chips fall where they may! I'm tired of the bickering over the slightest controversial post. Trolls and Student Athlete Critics Beware! That's all we've been asking for for months. And if you're a mod, why should you need to consult those two? If a deputy sees a crime being committed, he acts, he doesn't call into the police station and ask to talk to the sheriff first before acting.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 23, 2018 11:41:58 GMT -8
Well some of you "guys" delight in pushing each others buttons to elicit negative responses and then "cry wolf". There is nothing wrong with differing opinions as long as there is respect and civility! End of story!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 23, 2018 11:47:26 GMT -8
While I agree that sine people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? You have just exposed your/the board's hypocrisy and there's really not much else to say. Giju was already suspended this year and is on a short leash. Not enough?
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 11:56:21 GMT -8
Sorry Panther, I call bull$#!+ on your false equivalence. The fact that obvious, trolling player-bashers like giju haven't been perma-banned - and now you have audacity to compare those who complain about/to him to being as bad as him? You have just exposed your/the board's hypocrisy and there's really not much else to say. Giju was already suspended this year and is on a short leash. Not enough? You mean his paltry 2-week ban, followed by him picking up right where he left off? No, not enough.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Feb 23, 2018 11:56:58 GMT -8
While I agree that sine people are over the top with their criticism of certain players and coaches (and programs in general), some people are equally over the top in their sensitivity of said criticism. The melodramatic posts decrying the trolls and the mod staff that we've seen on this thread alone are embarrassing. There are people to blame on both sides. If you ignore over the top negative comments they have no impact on you. Period. By the same token, as utterly disappointing as this basketball season has been there are positive things to talk about, and focusing only on the negative shows a limited point of view. Both sides are to blame. We've already banned multiple board members and suspended others this year. But we're not going to squash all negativity just because some people are overly sensitive to it. We'll deal with the worst offenders as we have the time to do so. But time is a very finite resource, so you need to get real and temper your expectations accordingly. Things take time, but they do get done. It has nothing to do with negativity. It's truly amazing how you don't get it
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Feb 23, 2018 12:02:28 GMT -8
Giju was already suspended this year and is on a short leash. Not enough? You mean his paltry 2-week ban, followed by him picking up right where he left off? No, not enough. Wow. Patience isn't your strong suit, is it?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 23, 2018 12:10:12 GMT -8
guttersipe got time out for 2 weeks too!
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 12:15:08 GMT -8
You mean his paltry 2-week ban, followed by him picking up right where he left off? No, not enough. Wow. Patience isn't your strong suit, is it? After 500+ obvious trolls, followed by a 2-week ban, followed by another week of him continuing unabated - excuse me if my patience has run a little thin. But yeah, I'll admit I'm spoiled by Fembone and the mods on the Facebook page. They actually don't put up with giju's type of BS - crazy, right?
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Post by William L. Rupp on Feb 23, 2018 12:15:54 GMT -8
I have been around here for about 7-8 years (previous iteration was "pseudoaztec"). I don't post often, mostly observe. I am a contrarian in many aspects of my life...religion, politics, investing, etc. I know what it is to be a contrarian. But, I don't feel the need to spout my contrary opinions willy nilly. There are some folks on here who seem to feel the need...as if it is their patriotic duty. Or, akin to an arsonist, they seem to like to light it and watch it burn. By evidence of the shear number of posts of some of these posters (like 10-20 posts a DAY in some cases), I think some people either have too much time on their hands, or are somewhat obsessed. The passive-aggressive "I know better than you do" with a wink wink and a ha ha is totally transparent. More and more I am visiting goaztecs.com for my "facts", and less and less here. I always try my best not to be direct and personal in my responses to posts, but I have to say that a certain recent suspension was a much needed rest from that particular tiresome contrarian. Your ideas are definitely well thought out. I appreciate the input. I have listed the main reasons why members can be banned. Starting threads that are in some way objectionable to others really is not one of those reasons, unless the objections are based on the site’s basic rules. (e.g., I am not very tolerant of ad hominem attacks on other posters.) Here’s an interesting fact. I just did some calculating and found that the average number of posts per day on the Aztec sports board is 310. And that’s just the sports board. Furthermore, some days (holiday’s, etc.) are slow, while on other days there is a torrent of posts. That runs to an average of over 2100 per week. We do our best, but sometimes it’s not easy to respond to issues as promptly as we would like. We’re all volunteers with personal lives, as you surely understand. I recognize that some members object to the posts of other members. I am in that category. As stated, I’m fairly exercised by complaints of the team not having enough heart. I think such a complaint is really lacking in substance. On the other hand, many do not like my opinions when posting as AztecWilliam, especially then the topic is politics. I feel that I must not retaliate in an official way when that happens. We will do our best to improve AztecMesa. However, banning posters on the grounds that some of us consider them trolls will probably cause us to be labeled arbitrary and dictatorial. Remember the adage, Do Not Feed the Trolls. Just ignore them. I think the best way to respond to them is to not respond. William L. Rupp
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