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Post by fisherville on Sept 6, 2017 8:53:21 GMT -8
I want 1 of Forbes/Nate not both. Getting both would give us too many bigs and that’s a much bigger issue than having too many wings
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 6, 2017 10:59:42 GMT -8
Looking ahead to next year and assuming that Nathan M. has become an Aztec: The front line will consist of two freshman Mensahs, McDaniels as a sophomore, the junior Narain, and with Hoetzel as the lone senior.
My problem with this situation is we really don't know how much Nolan can contribute because he got very little PT/experience as a freshman. He may still be injured. I am hopeful that he will be very good, but, he is still a question mark until we see him get some meaningful PT. Then we will see what the future brings.
Hoetzel can definitely contribute, very much subject to the condition of his legs going forward. So, we don't really know how much he will be able to contribute over the next two years either. If this were professional sports the Aztecs would have sent him back to the original team as "damaged goods." Possibly Teki, too. But, college sports ain't workin' that way.
In this scenario the two upper classmen, 40% of the frontline, are burdened with significant questions regarding their ability to contribute going forward. If the dice roll the wrong way, the Aztecs may have only three healthy frontline players, NOT enough. Especially if McDaniels is better suited to playing the 3.
And all of this could potentially put the Aztecs frontline future into the hands of two promising freshman and one promising sophomore, after Rooks and Pope have graduated.
Considering all of the foregoing opinions, I'd like to have M. Forbes in the mix as one more healthy frontline option.
These sort of decisions are why the coaches get paid the big bucks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:09:29 GMT -8
I'd say sign them both. None of us can know for certain, but I doubt that we've ever missed out on a quality 4 or 5 from having over-recruited these positions. On the other hand, we have clearly been undermanned in these positions when we whiffed on the one or two guys we were aiming for.
Davis was a quality grad transfer. Some of other transfers, not so much. We are bound to start losing players who transfer out as that is just the nature of college ball. We could sign a traditional transfer have him redshirt and then transfer after one year as a grad. There are a lot of variables. In my opinion, getting bigs directly out of High School would be a major improvement.
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Post by Gundo on Sept 6, 2017 14:54:05 GMT -8
The question is do you sign two more BIGS, or just one and save one scholarship for transfers in the '18-'19 season? It's important to note that NCAA School presidents, faculty, coaches and athletic directors will receive a survey about the proposals generated by the Division I transfer working group, which meets in October. The week to respond is Sept. 22.
The proposal to offer transfers "one-time" immediate eligibility if they meet academic benchmarks will next go to the committee on academics. If this get's passed it becomes the wild west.
It's not going to be voted on in the 2017-18 legislative cycle.
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 6, 2017 15:41:12 GMT -8
The question is do you sign two more BIGS, or just one and save one scholarship for transfers in the '18-'19 season? It's important to note that NCAA School presidents, faculty, coaches and athletic directors will receive a survey about the proposals generated by the Division I transfer working group, which meets in October. The week to respond is Sept. 22. The proposal to offer transfers "one-time" immediate eligibility if they meet academic benchmarks will next go to the committee on academics. If this get's passed it becomes the wild west. It's not going to be voted on in the 2017-18 legislative cycle. If that were to happen, which it won't if you read what many are saying, we're talking 4-5+ years before it'd go into effect. Nothing that'd impact recruiting now at least. Bball coaches will shoot it down. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 17:49:50 GMT -8
I get the reasoning. Is it better to sign a transfer? The BIGS that we've landed have often been fleeing from a lack of playing time. Sometimes the guy just doesn't pan out on the D1 level. That can mean three scholarship years are eaten by a guy who "plays" two at a nominal level. Look at Big Red Johnson. He couldn't get on the court at Virginia and we struggled to land a BIG out of HS. He sat year and then "played" a year. He then bailed us out of a third scholarship year when he realized that he couldn't get it done at the D1 level. Had he stayed his signing would have been made all the worse. I'd rather that we position ourselves to be Virginia in these scenarios.
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Post by johnnyutah on Sept 8, 2017 19:46:43 GMT -8
From the Zeigler article today, it sounds like Dutch agrees with us. Take 1, leave 1 scholarship open. Reading between the lines, seems like it's Mensah's spot if he wants it and if he goes elsewhere then Forbes.
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Post by onions on Sept 9, 2017 6:56:21 GMT -8
From the Zeigler article today, it sounds like Dutch agrees with us. Take 1, leave 1 scholarship open. Reading between the lines, seems like it's Mensah's spot if he wants it and if he goes elsewhere then Forbes. I don't get the Mensah fascination ... seems kinda slow and plodding. From the video I would take forbes first in a second. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 8:24:53 GMT -8
From the Zeigler article today, it sounds like Dutch agrees with us. Take 1, leave 1 scholarship open. Reading between the lines, seems like it's Mensah's spot if he wants it and if he goes elsewhere then Forbes. I don't get the Mensah fascination ... seems kinda slow and plodding. From the video I would take forbes first in a second. We don't have a strong track record of landing traditional bigs out of HS. We've had few stop gap grad transfers and have had to play some interesting lineups as a result. The first step is to land HS "bigs" consistently. The second is to improve the quality of those recruits. I hope that the days of rolling out Green, Izundu, Stephens (Or playing out of position with Franklin(at the Four), Shelton, and Zylan) are behind us. |
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Post by aztecsfan05 on Sept 9, 2017 9:59:37 GMT -8
From the Zeigler article today, it sounds like Dutch agrees with us. Take 1, leave 1 scholarship open. Reading between the lines, seems like it's Mensah's spot if he wants it and if he goes elsewhere then Forbes. I don't get the Mensah fascination ... seems kinda slow and plodding. From the video I would take forbes first in a second. That is inaccurate, highlight tapes can be misleading. Mensah can run the court very well, has a nice shot, and can rebound and block shots at a high level. His skill level is superior to Forbes. I like Forbes, but honestly his highlights are mostly dunks. He needs to work on his shot to diversify his game |
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Post by azteca on Sept 9, 2017 11:27:36 GMT -8
From the Zeigler article today, it sounds like Dutch agrees with us. Take 1, leave 1 scholarship open. Reading between the lines, seems like it's Mensah's spot if he wants it and if he goes elsewhere then Forbes. You hit the nail on the head with that one |
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Post by kinne on Sept 9, 2017 11:46:08 GMT -8
I wonder if it is fun to be considered the 2nd choice (Forbes). And how long do you wait if you are ? I guess he has other offers at schools where he is the 1st priority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 11:51:07 GMT -8
It has been widely reported that Dutcher likes to, and intends to, leave a scholarship open for the transfer market. This Ziegler article isn't a revelation. This isn't a vindication of the posters who share this position, but rather a restatement of his long standing position that you've been parroting.
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Post by johnnyutah on Sept 9, 2017 12:12:46 GMT -8
It has been widely reported that Dutcher likes to, and intends to, leave a scholarship open for the transfer market. This Ziegler article isn't a revelation. This isn't a vindication of the posters who share this position, but rather a restatement of his long standing position that you've been parroting. It isn't a revelation, but confirms that he hasn't changed his stance. If some kid they absolutely loved wanted to commit you think Dutch would still hold that last spot? I don't. This confirms Forbes isn't in that category...that's all I'm saying. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 9, 2017 14:53:33 GMT -8
Both 6'9 Forbes and 7'0 Tolu Jacobs made unofficials to Reno.
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Post by onions on Sept 9, 2017 21:37:43 GMT -8
I don't get the Mensah fascination ... seems kinda slow and plodding. From the video I would take forbes first in a second. We don't have a strong track record of landing traditional bigs out of HS. We've had few stop gap grad transfers and have had to play some interesting lineups as a result. The first step is to land HS "bigs" consistently. The second is to improve the quality of those recruits. I hope that the days of rolling out Green, Izundu, Stephens (Or playing out of position with Franklin(at the Four), Shelton, and Zylan) are behind us. Non traditional bigs is what we do, always have, and what has won conference championships for us and multiple NCAA games. The days of "rolling out guys out of position" has hung banners for us and will continue to. I'm the anti standiego .... meaning we dont need a true 5, we need quick, athletic, can switch everything on defense type of players. Small ball wins games in college. Not just for us but for most teams. Forbes seems quicker with better footwork, a solid jump hook and can switch onto and defend a guard ... Mensah doesn't look like he can. Forbes seems so much quicker and with his growth spurt making him a legit 6,9+ and the fact that he attacks attacks attacks ... plus close to a 4.0 GPA and solid character ... hard to pass on a guy like that. It'll suck if he dunks on us for the next few years at Nevada. |
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Post by azteccc on Sept 9, 2017 21:45:29 GMT -8
I may be in the minority, but I'd like to sign both. F*ck saving a scholly for transfers.
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Post by aztecsfan05 on Sept 9, 2017 21:58:26 GMT -8
Harvard, Princeton, and St. Mary's visited Forbes today
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Post by aztecttcas on Sept 9, 2017 22:46:40 GMT -8
I may be in the minority, but I'd like to sign both. F*ck saving a scholly for transfers. Complete agreement. He obviously has us as his to choice. Nathan may not even choose us as he would have already. Take the kid that wants to be an Aztec. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 12, 2017 22:32:49 GMT -8
Well, that was nice while it lasted. Aztecs waiting for Nathan Mensah while today Forbes visited UVA (ACC) Ours to lose. And I think we lost.
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