Is it time to drop the new FB coach threads?

[78aztec82]

Sept 28, 2012 17:01:09 GMT -8 John, Your Pal said:

Sept 28, 2012 15:17:56 GMT -8 ron said:

I don't post much anymore, I've just kind of lost the desire to read the crap most of the posters spew. It's the same thing over and over. Fire this coach or that coach. "Fire Fisher now" was a big one for awhile.

I don't remember anyone (including "plateauers" like me) calling for Fish to be fired.

Oh, there were plenty of those people, and many suggestions of who should replace him. It was a favorite pastime of mine to counter those short-sided people. Too bad the old ATalks weren't archived (although there'd be a lot of deleting!


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[myownwords]

Sept 29, 2012 2:17:05 GMT -8 ron said:

Sept 28, 2012 17:01:09 GMT -8 John, Your Pal said:

I don't remember anyone (including "plateauers" like me) calling for Fish to be fired.

With Rocky, it's NOT that he's 2-2.

---It's a matter of a guy who's trying to reinvent the game of football. The 3-3-5 is (in my opinion) nuts in an era when the front seven is everything. The "go-for-two" charts defy comment so I don't think I need to go there.

---It's a matter of a "defensive mastermind" who can't stop North Dakota in the fourth year under his stewardship. Our redshirt freshmen should be able to give North Dakota a good game.

---It's a matter of a guy who has been associated with losing for the vast majority of his coaching career (and if you subtract SDSU from his UNM tenure it looks even worse).

Are there things I like about him? Yes, a few.

Is it really logical to call for his firing? To be fair, not yet, but it's getting to the point where 8 wins against this faux "DI" schedule is gonna be impossible.

Will he be fired? Knowing what we know about Sterk's tenure at WSU, hell no.

So I guess we should just watch and try to enjoy this year and next.

---It's a matter of a guy who seems (and I admit that "seems" is a hazy verb) to always be preparing everyone for losses instead of having the deep belief that HE is a winner, that HE will succeed.

You have a selective memory. There were numerous Fire Fish Now type threads. Whether or not you were one of them doesn't matter to me.

Rock isn't reinventing anything. As has been explained many times he's using a system that relies more on athletes (which are more obtainable) than it does the big DL types (which this school has traditionally had trouble getting. It can be ran as a 3-4 or a 4-3 depending on how they line up. The "chart" simply gives the other HC something to be concerned with. Again, to make things more unpredictable.

New Mexico was going to bowl games while SDSU was going to the toilet bowl. If that's a loser then we have different definitions.

Like I said, this team is a couple of pass rushers away from being very good. Unfortunately, the last time we had a true pass rusher from the DL was Kabeer. My hope is that guys we have continue to improve and manage at least some pressure.

The problem Ron is that we are ALWAYS in short supply of something. This year it's only a couple of linemen. Last year it was a couple of receivers. And with Rocky's scheme, it appears to be too easy to be short on something.

[uncledougy]

Sept 28, 2012 17:01:09 GMT -8 John, Your Pal said:

Sept 28, 2012 15:17:56 GMT -8 ron said:

I don't post much anymore, I've just kind of lost the desire to read the crap most of the posters spew. It's the same thing over and over. Fire this coach or that coach. "Fire Fisher now" was a big one for awhile.

I don't remember anyone (including "plateauers" like me) calling for Fish to be fired.

With Rocky, it's NOT that he's 2-2.

---It's a matter of a guy who's trying to reinvent the game of football. The 3-3-5 is (in my opinion) nuts in an era when the front seven is everything. The "go-for-two" charts defy comment so I don't think I need to go there.

---It's a matter of a "defensive mastermind" who can't stop North Dakota in the fourth year under his stewardship. Our redshirt freshmen should be able to give North Dakota a good game.

---It's a matter of a guy who has been associated with losing for the vast majority of his coaching career (and if you subtract SDSU from his UNM tenure it looks even worse).

Are there things I like about him? Yes, a few.

Is it really logical to call for his firing? To be fair, not yet, but it's getting to the point where 8 wins against this faux "DI" schedule is gonna be impossible.

Will he be fired? Knowing what we know about Sterk's tenure at WSU, hell no.

So I guess we should just watch and try to enjoy this year and next.

---It's a matter of a guy who seems (and I admit that "seems" is a hazy verb) to always be preparing everyone for losses instead of having the deep belief that HE is a winner, that HE will succeed.

This confirms your genius status to me. Couldn't be more right in my mind! (although I was never part of the Fire Fisher crowd). I thought from day 1, getting Fisher was a major steal. He is a classic, throw-back coach which there are so few these days. The guy is amazing.

[ron]

Sept 29, 2012 5:57:02 GMT -8 myownwords said:

Sept 29, 2012 2:17:05 GMT -8 ron said:

You have a selective memory. There were numerous Fire Fish Now type threads. Whether or not you were one of them doesn't matter to me.

Rock isn't reinventing anything. As has been explained many times he's using a system that relies more on athletes (which are more obtainable) than it does the big DL types (which this school has traditionally had trouble getting. It can be ran as a 3-4 or a 4-3 depending on how they line up. The "chart" simply gives the other HC something to be concerned with. Again, to make things more unpredictable.

New Mexico was going to bowl games while SDSU was going to the toilet bowl. If that's a loser then we have different definitions.

Like I said, this team is a couple of pass rushers away from being very good. Unfortunately, the last time we had a true pass rusher from the DL was Kabeer. My hope is that guys we have continue to improve and manage at least some pressure.

The problem Ron is that we are ALWAYS in short supply of something. This year it's only a couple of linemen. Last year it was a couple of receivers. And with Rocky's scheme, it appears to be too easy to be short on something.

We agree on this. That is why the attrition we've had in recruiting has killed us. SDSU can't afford many mistakes and they've made many. Too many misses at OL/DL have handcuffed this team.
I'm hoping that has changed.