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Post by uncledougy on Sept 27, 2012 6:51:19 GMT -8
Point is...if he ain't going anywhere, neither are we. bang your drum if you must, but the tune is old and not gonna chart. I can't, for the life of me understand how not supporting a coach that is and always has been average is a bad thing? How many times have you heard of a guy with Rocky's track record suddenly find the magic formula to be a top 10 team?? All I am saying is Coach Long will not be an Aztec in 5 years, so why wait for change and not make change?
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Post by darksidereturns on Sept 27, 2012 7:33:44 GMT -8
Because a football program needs support to succeed. You should be able to understand that. You support your team until the FACTS state that the job is not getting done. Do you pull the starter because you think he might make a mistake? Stick the the facts and support your team. Rocky took us to a bowl in his first year...that is above the bar for us. In his second year he has the opportunity to take us to a third straight bowl...above the bar. He has an opportunity to win a conference championship...above the bar. Support your team, how is that hard to understand.
If your answer is 'because i don't think it can happen' that's not good enough.
Have you ever managed other people? Did you say to them at every freaking opportunity that they can't get the job done, there's no way they will do it, we should can your ass now....but hey I hope you prove me wrong because then I'll be happy.
I am not in favor of dropping threads, but these threads are a freaking weak ass joke.
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Post by solodog on Sept 27, 2012 7:49:44 GMT -8
I am tired of the fire Rocky threads, but as Rocky says "at least people are showing an passion for Aztec football. I know many of you are unhappy with Rocky but, I like him. I brought up the Steve Fisher angle before on how our basketball team sucked for some years before Coach Fisher brought it to where it is today. I know his national Champships were due to his fine coaching abilities, but he was at michigan and it's a lot easier to get top talent at the bigger schools with the alums, fan base, and last but not least money. Rocky built his record at New Mexico where no recuit would want to go unless it was his last resort. Look at New Mexico now without Rocky. He comes to SDSU which has been in the toilet for years and only in the last two seasons have we had a winning record. Some of our posters now think we should be LSU or USC in his two years as head coach. Our schedule before Rocky was not that daunting so the other coaches could of had a winning record but did not. As I stated before, Rocky has only one year to call the recuits his. Going into the big east will help recuiting along with the money that comes with it. So in my humble opinion give Rocky two more years, see what the program is like and if it sucks as bad as you think now, I,ll join you. Until then I just wish you can stop beating the tired old drum Fire the coach
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Post by AztecBill on Sept 27, 2012 8:33:48 GMT -8
People forget the players we have are:
Seniors - Chuck Long Recruits. Juniors - Chuck Long /Brady Hoke short year recruits. Sophomores - Brady Hoke recruits after losing (4-8) year. Freshman (RS) - Brady Hoke Recruits kept by Rocky. RedShirting Freshman - Rocky Long Recruits.
Only red shirt Freshman were recruited off a year that was better than 4-8. We are still building. It would be nice if we had upper classmen in the lines to make us what we want to be but the fact is we are playing young players who were recently recruited and it shows. Rocky needs and deserves more time. Steve Fisher was being treated the same way 5 years ago. Most doubted that he could do what he has done over the past 4 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 8:45:07 GMT -8
I don't think your opinion either way should go into the decision on whether to keep the threads up. It's the quantity of them that's over the top, not the question. Just create an "Official Coaching Future Thread" and delete any other threads that pop up. Agree with this. Unfortunately, there are always certain people who seem to think their angle on an issue is so good they have to create a new thread to share it. Doing what you suggest would consolidate every "angle" into one thread and reduce "congestion."
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Post by tonatiuh on Sept 27, 2012 8:49:09 GMT -8
The wisest choice, if you don't like a thread or topic or poster: Don't read it, move on. It's pretty basic and very simple. Obviously the topic interests you or you would not take the time to read it. The wisest quote yet!!! Too bad, many posters on here do not pay attention to it, or over exaggerate on their comments and then very bad and hostile arguments get started.
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Post by insider on Sept 27, 2012 14:19:21 GMT -8
People forget the players we have are: Seniors - Chuck Long Recruits. Juniors - Chuck Long /Brady Hoke short year recruits. Sophomores - Brady Hoke recruits after losing (4-8) year. Freshman (RS) - Brady Hoke Recruits kept by Rocky. RedShirting Freshman - Rocky Long Recruits. Only red shirt Freshman were recruited off a year that was better than 4-8. We are still building. It would be nice if we had upper classmen in the lines to make us what we want to be but the fact is we are playing young players who were recently recruited and it shows. Rocky needs and deserves more time.
Steve Fisher was being treated the same way 5 years ago. Most doubted that he could do what he has done over the past 4 years. No we don't forget. Rocky Long's problem isn't the players, it is how they are devoloped and used on his side of the ball. Brady Hoke/Rocky Long recruits should be considered the same when it comes to the defensive side of the ball.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 27, 2012 14:47:56 GMT -8
bang your drum if you must, but the tune is old and not gonna chart. I can't, for the life of me understand how not supporting a coach that is and always has been average is a bad thing? How many times have you heard of a guy with Rocky's track record suddenly find the magic formula to be a top 10 team?? All I am saying is Coach Long will not be an Aztec in 5 years, so why wait for change and not make change? Hoke didn't have much of a record at Ball State for about five years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 18:37:40 GMT -8
William,
It's a good thought but banning new FB coaching threads will not solve the issue. The problem is that a few select posters have to say the same thing over and over and over and over again... and it has become really tiresome. It really makes it difficult to make the decision to visit this site.
A few of them claim they are the 'real' fans because they know what is best for the program and they know that complacency is the real issue here at SDSU. And they are going to solve that problem by complaining on a message board.
Unfortunately, the majority of these posters would rather the coach fail so that they can complain about him. This way they can be heard on this message board which is their main source of social interaction. They want to be validated in life and the consistent hammering on a particular topic is how they feel important. The amazing thing at least for me is that the more they harp on the coach, the more I feel I should support him.
The solution to the problem is not banning the threads or even the poster but somehow working an ignore function into the board. Unfortunately, I guess that is not an option with proboards.
For me, the truth is, I was never super excited about the hiring of RL but felt it was a good thing since hiring him seemed to avoid the total upheaval of the program. Maybe give him a couple years to see what he could do. I figured it might not turn out great but was probably the best choice at the time. After last Saturday's game I left thinking... damn, will this ever turn around for SDSU? It seems to always be the same thing, year in and year out, no matter who the coach is. And when I say that I am including Hoke because the truth is his teams never beat anyone meaningful either... in fact, he had the same type of losses we have had since Gilbert was fired... the standard 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory' which is so common place at SDSU.
I don't have a clue what the answer is for turning around this program but I am not sure firing the coach and hiring another will actually solve it. Perhaps SDSU is simply destined to have an average football program because they have never been part of the elite class and never will be allowed to be. I guess they are destined to be also rans until such time as they can find that once in a lifetime coach who is a Coryell or a Fisher... perhaps I should be happy that I have been around during both of those individuals time at SDSU. My guess is finding yet another may (will/ is) not be easy. But I guarantee that me (or anyone else) posting the same thought over and over and over again on this or any other message board will not solve the issue at SDSU.
(btw, there is one poster who is vehemently against RL who I am not referring to here and that is Monty. I get from his posts that he genuinely wants SDSU to succeed and if they did under RL he would be overjoyed. I cannot say the same for some of the other posters who harp on RL.)
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Post by Spud on Sept 27, 2012 19:20:01 GMT -8
Our policy has always been to allow the broadest leeway to posters with respect to topics, consistent, of course, with good taste and legal constraints. At this moment, however, my preference for freedom of expression is being taxed by what I consider ridiculous speculation about possible replacements for a head coach who is in his second year at the helm and so far has a W/L record at SDSU of 10-7. Everybody short of Fielding Yost and Vince Lombardi have been mentioned. Yes, Yost and Lombardi are dead, but so, I believe are some of the names thrown out for consideration. Okay, maybe they aren't dead, but some must be as old as I am, and that ain't young! Most of the others would likely laugh at the possibility of coaching here. Foolishness! It's all foolishness. I am seriously tempted to ban any "new head coach" threads until such time as Rocky Long is fired, close to being fired, or has announced his retirement. I won't take action on my tempation - - - yet - - -, but can I at least suggest that it is a waste of time speculating on this topic at this point? I get the feeling that many Aztec fans think they are rooting for Michigan, a school at which a coach who wins only 8 games a year is on a very hot seat and at which a coach who wins only 7 needs to start cleaning out his office. I think we are talking about the inability to see reality for what it is. WLR This idea is ridiculous...we have the same topics over and over and over and over but somehow the RL topic is now sacrosanct? It'll all settle down IF RL can manage to string together a few wins...but what are you going to do if they $#!+ the bed and go below 7 - 5? This place will erupt. Just leave them be...
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Post by myownwords on Sept 27, 2012 19:54:38 GMT -8
William, It's a good thought but banning new FB coaching threads will not solve the issue. The problem is that a few select posters have to say the same thing over and over and over and over again... and it has become really tiresome. It really makes it difficult to make the decision to visit this site. A few of them claim they are the 'real' fans because they know what is best for the program and they know that complacency is the real issue here at SDSU. And they are going to solve that problem by complaining on a message board. Unfortunately, the majority of these posters would rather the coach fail so that they can complain about him. This way they can be heard on this message board which is their main source of social interaction. They want to be validated in life and the consistent hammering on a particular topic is how they feel important. The amazing thing at least for me is that the more they harp on the coach, the more I feel I should support him. The solution to the problem is not banning the threads or even the poster but somehow working an ignore function into the board. Unfortunately, I guess that is not an option with proboards. For me, the truth is, I was never super excited about the hiring of RL but felt it was a good thing since hiring him seemed to avoid the total upheaval of the program. Maybe give him a couple years to see what he could do. I figured it might not turn out great but was probably the best choice at the time. After last Saturday's game I left thinking... damn, will this ever turn around for SDSU? It seems to always be the same thing, year in and year out, no matter who the coach is. And when I say that I am including Hoke because the truth is his teams never beat anyone meaningful either... in fact, he had the same type of losses we have had since Gilbert was fired... the standard 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory' which is so common place at SDSU. I don't have a clue what the answer is for turning around this program but I am not sure firing the coach and hiring another will actually solve it. Perhaps SDSU is simply destined to have an average football program because they have never been part of the elite class and never will be allowed to be. I guess they are destined to be also rans until such time as they can find that once in a lifetime coach who is a Coryell or a Fisher... perhaps I should be happy that I have been around during both of those individuals time at SDSU. My guess is finding yet another may (will/ is) not be easy. But I guarantee that me (or anyone else) posting the same thought over and over and over again on this or any other message board will not solve the issue at SDSU. (btw, there is one poster who is vehemently against RL who I am not referring to here and that is Monty. I get from his posts that he genuinely wants SDSU to succeed and if they did under RL he would be overjoyed. I cannot say the same for some of the other posters who harp on RL.) The "ignore" function is called your brain. Use it.
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Post by standiego on Sept 27, 2012 19:58:35 GMT -8
all coaches realize they are going to get criticized when they lose,it goes with the job, don't win and you are going to get fired.They also face the challenge knowing they are going to lose players when they graduate, so they need to coach each game and current season ,but also have to be looking at the talent they have for the next year. This is Rocky's fourth year with the program. Last year he should have seen that he was losing his defensive line and needed to recruit JUCO guys with some speed and size. Games are won or lost at the line of scrimmage. Your line can make your DB"s look good or toast . He cited special teams play, then that should have a priority. We have a good group of WR and tight ends , this year, fortunately , the staff got Katz. Will need a decent throwing QB next year. Fans can show their dis pleasure and pasion as long as it is civil. More important is that Sterk realizes he may need to be gathering information about coaches out there , be it for next year or a few years down the road.
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Post by killiansc on Sept 27, 2012 20:18:31 GMT -8
Why would we stop threads? Isn't this sports message bord to chat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 20:23:08 GMT -8
William, It's a good thought but banning new FB coaching threads will not solve the issue. The problem is that a few select posters have to say the same thing over and over and over and over again... and it has become really tiresome. It really makes it difficult to make the decision to visit this site. A few of them claim they are the 'real' fans because they know what is best for the program and they know that complacency is the real issue here at SDSU. And they are going to solve that problem by complaining on a message board. Unfortunately, the majority of these posters would rather the coach fail so that they can complain about him. This way they can be heard on this message board which is their main source of social interaction. They want to be validated in life and the consistent hammering on a particular topic is how they feel important. The amazing thing at least for me is that the more they harp on the coach, the more I feel I should support him. The solution to the problem is not banning the threads or even the poster but somehow working an ignore function into the board. Unfortunately, I guess that is not an option with proboards. For me, the truth is, I was never super excited about the hiring of RL but felt it was a good thing since hiring him seemed to avoid the total upheaval of the program. Maybe give him a couple years to see what he could do. I figured it might not turn out great but was probably the best choice at the time. After last Saturday's game I left thinking... damn, will this ever turn around for SDSU? It seems to always be the same thing, year in and year out, no matter who the coach is. And when I say that I am including Hoke because the truth is his teams never beat anyone meaningful either... in fact, he had the same type of losses we have had since Gilbert was fired... the standard 'snatching defeat from the jaws of victory' which is so common place at SDSU. I don't have a clue what the answer is for turning around this program but I am not sure firing the coach and hiring another will actually solve it. Perhaps SDSU is simply destined to have an average football program because they have never been part of the elite class and never will be allowed to be. I guess they are destined to be also rans until such time as they can find that once in a lifetime coach who is a Coryell or a Fisher... perhaps I should be happy that I have been around during both of those individuals time at SDSU. My guess is finding yet another may (will/ is) not be easy. But I guarantee that me (or anyone else) posting the same thought over and over and over again on this or any other message board will not solve the issue at SDSU. (btw, there is one poster who is vehemently against RL who I am not referring to here and that is Monty. I get from his posts that he genuinely wants SDSU to succeed and if they did under RL he would be overjoyed. I cannot say the same for some of the other posters who harp on RL.) The "ignore" function is called your brain. Use it. If you don't like what I have to say don't respond. I am free to write what I would like, as you are. I would love an ignore function. If you don't like it, too damn bad.
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Post by smoothcat on Sept 27, 2012 21:20:32 GMT -8
Question Mr. Rupp, did the school administration have anything to do with you putting up this post? I haven't talked with him about it, but I think I can accurately say that no one from SDSU has contacted Aztec William about anything on this board. I'm all for combining the coach threads into one mega thread until there is a real possibility of Long's job opening up. As of today there is zero chance that Long gets fired or retires. Three or four weeks from now? Who know? But as of right now it's more than a little premature to go over potential replacements for Rocky. Rocky certainly isn't getting fired during the season no matter what and I very much doubt he gets fired after the season either. That said, losing at home to San Jose State? Disgusting and unacceptable, watching our defense crumble on SJSU's last drive was especially depressing and brought back some bad football memories from season's past. I think it is obvious Rocky isn't the right man for the job but expectations are so low in the athletic department for the program that he will not get blown out, even though frankly he probably deserves to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 5:19:58 GMT -8
And yet here you are joining in the fun. Rocky is far from the answer as we go into a higher level of play. And the point is that he will drag us down UNDER the bar, not vault us over it. hardly. Rocky isn't going anywhere. Like it or not. You can stop telling it from the mountain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 5:25:53 GMT -8
Rocky certainly isn't getting fired during the season no matter what and I very much doubt he gets fired after the season either. this
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2012 6:54:08 GMT -8
Actually, Rocky may survive the remainder of the year, unless there is a Chuck Long devolution. However, the BE will likely bring pressure to bear on making changes if the administration doesn't do it on their own. The Big East does NOT want to see 60,000 empty seats on TV and that's where this is going.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2012 6:57:18 GMT -8
Actually, Rocky may survive the remainder of the year, unless there is a Chuck Long devolution. However, the BE will likely bring pressure to bear on making changes if the administration doesn't do it on their own. The Big East does NOT want to see 60,000 empty seats on TV and that's where this is going. What's the BL gonna do about the other five programs with the same problem? One at a time
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Post by myownwords on Sept 28, 2012 6:59:11 GMT -8
Actually, Rocky may survive the remainder of the year, unless there is a Chuck Long devolution. However, the BE will likely bring pressure to bear on making changes if the administration doesn't do it on their own. The Big East does NOT want to see 60,000 empty seats on TV and that's where this is going. What's the BL gonna do about the other five programs with the same problem? I would assume that most of the new members have performance clauses in the agreement.
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