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Post by RB Aztec on Aug 18, 2012 12:38:34 GMT -8
The reality is that TODAY, the BW is the best option for Basketball, even though I hate dropping down to such a crappy conference. It is an embarrassment. We will likely be stuck there for a few years, but I hope it is shorter.
The goal would be to have Sterk and other Western schools create a western division of the BE for basketball and Oly sports, OR find some other creative way to get a Western league with the best of the Western basketball powers. This could be a completely revised BW or some other option. I don't think anyone including Sterk, Fish, or fans would be happy staying in the crappy BW longterm with its current members.
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Post by killiansc on Aug 18, 2012 12:41:23 GMT -8
I dont understanding smacking the Big West. It is a good basketball conference and now even better with Aztecs and Boise in. Add one more team like UNLV or Fresno its as good as MWC.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 18, 2012 12:47:07 GMT -8
I dont understanding smacking the Big West. It is a good basketball conference and now even better with Aztecs and Boise in. Add one more team like UNLV or Fresno its as good as MWC. You can't say it's a good basketball conference with any sense of perspective. Further, you won't see UNLV barring some radical breakup of the MWC. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 13:12:42 GMT -8
FWIW, here's the 2013-2014 CUSA:
UTEP Tulsa Rice UTSA UNT UAB USM LA Tech Tulane FIU ECU Marshall
Maybe they just stay with 12. However, consider this. CUSA is about to add a SBC school in FIU. Geographically, Arkansas State would be a perfect fit between Tulsa and the two Louisiana schools and USM. And Arkansas State not only just won the SBC football title while averaging more fans per game than UNM and UNLV and almost as many as CSU and Wyoming, it replaced its departing HC with Gus Malzahn, an amazing hire for a SBC school, frankly. Would CUSA consider adding Arky State plus the MWC front range schools and going to a two division, 16-member format? I sure would if I was the commissioner.
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Post by quickdraw on Aug 18, 2012 15:01:42 GMT -8
I dont understanding smacking the Big West. It is a good basketball conference and now even better with Aztecs and Boise in. Add one more team like UNLV or Fresno its as good as MWC. You've been around here listening to the propaganda too long. The bW is the #25 MBB conference for a reason. They have 6 schools or .6666% of the conference ranked over 200. They would need to not only add a few good schools but also get rid of 4 or 5 of those losers before they could be as highly ranked as the #5 MWC. Fresno is #203 and BSU is #181 so that doesn't get you anywhere and UNLV isn't going back to the bW anytime soon. www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conferencerpiFor all of the talk about how SDSU is going to magically raise up the bW, well with the makeup of the conference today, it isn't going to happen. Then there are those that will restructure the conference or start a new conference with the best schools in the west, come-on, crawl out of your cardboard fort and come inside because the cold is affecting your thinking. Then there is the "Gonzaga did it, so can we". Well the Zags are in the #11 conference with 1/2 as many schools over 200 and 1/2 as many over 300 as the bW. SDSU FB is looking good as a chance to move up though.
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Post by rockshow on Aug 18, 2012 15:19:32 GMT -8
I dont understanding smacking the Big West. It is a good basketball conference and now even better with Aztecs and Boise in. Add one more team like UNLV or Fresno its as good as MWC. You've been around here listening to the propaganda too long. The bW is the #25 MBB conference for a reason. They have 6 schools or .6666% of the conference ranked over 200. They would need to not only add a few good schools but also get rid of 4 or 5 of those losers before they could be as highly ranked as the #5 MWC. Fresno is #203 and BSU is #181 so that doesn't get you anywhere and UNLV isn't going back to the bW anytime soon. www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conferencerpiFor all of the talk about how SDSU is going to magically raise up the bW, well with the makeup of the conference today, it isn't going to happen. Then there are those that will restructure the conference or start a new conference with the best schools in the west, come-on, crawl out of your cardboard fort and come inside because the cold is affecting your thinking. Then there is the "Gonzaga did it, so can we". Well the Zags are in the #11 conference with 1/2 as many schools over 200 and 1/2 as many over 300 as the bW. SDSU FB is looking good as a chance to move up though. God I f****** hate UNLV
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Post by titanczar on Aug 18, 2012 19:43:04 GMT -8
FWIW, here's the 2013-2014 CUSA: UTEP Tulsa Rice UTSA UNT UAB USM LA Tech Tulane FIU ECU Marshall Maybe they just stay with 12. However, consider this. CUSA is about to add a SBC school in FIU. Geographically, Arkansas State would be a perfect fit between Tulsa and the two Louisiana schools and USM. And Arkansas State not only just won the SBC football title while averaging more fans per game than UNM and UNLV and almost as many as CSU and Wyoming, it replaced its departing HC with Gus Malzahn, an amazing hire for a SBC school, frankly. Would CUSA consider adding Arky State plus the MWC front range schools and going to a two division, 16-member format? I sure would if I was the commissioner. You do know that CUSA is adding UNC Charlotte and ODU, two schools that have started football. I also think Texas St. will be in the picture for possible future CUSA membership.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 18, 2012 21:40:16 GMT -8
I dont understanding smacking the Big West. It is a good basketball conference and now even better with Aztecs and Boise in. Add one more team like UNLV or Fresno its as good as MWC. You've been around here listening to the propaganda too long. The bW is the #25 MBB conference for a reason. They have 6 schools or .6666% of the conference ranked over 200. They would need to not only add a few good schools but also get rid of 4 or 5 of those losers before they could be as highly ranked as the #5 MWC. Fresno is #203 and BSU is #181 so that doesn't get you anywhere and UNLV isn't going back to the bW anytime soon. www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conferencerpiFor all of the talk about how SDSU is going to magically raise up the bW, well with the makeup of the conference today, it isn't going to happen. Then there are those that will restructure the conference or start a new conference with the best schools in the west, come-on, crawl out of your cardboard fort and come inside because the cold is affecting your thinking. Then there is the "Gonzaga did it, so can we". Well the Zags are in the #11 conference with 1/2 as many schools over 200 and 1/2 as many over 300 as the bW. SDSU FB is looking good as a chance to move up though. Wait a second. Those are last year's numbers. Besides pointing out the obvious, which is that rankings NEVER stay the same from one year to the next, I have to ask what makes you so certain that those numbers are basically going to tell you what the conference will be like two, three, four, or five years from now? That is your assumption, after all.
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Post by beefeater on Aug 18, 2012 21:43:52 GMT -8
That segues to this. Despite the naivete of a bunch of UCF and USF doofuses on the BE board, BYU isn't going to join that conference as long as the Borg manages to continue to fill its football schedule and they're already fine through 2014. Since that is the deadline for adding a 14th football playing member to join along with Navy, BYU is simply not going to join the BE, at least for the foreseeable future. The BE is committed to making that 14th school a member of the western division, so the other doofuses there who keep advocating ECU as an alternative are similarly going to be disappointed. So it comes down to this. If AFA joins, it will have no potential effect on the BLC since AFA would probably join the Missouri Valley Conference for its Olympic sports (and drag them down, but that's their problem). So here's the deal. If AFA's commandant continues to oppose their joining the MVC because of the potential impact on academics, Fresno is bound to be joining the BE for football in 2015 and, therefore, also the BLC. If the BLC could get both Fresno and NMSU, the conference would surely become an annual two-bid league and could be a reasonably permanent home for SDSU.. However, to repeat the accusation I made above, I think the average BLC school is scared to death of that happening. God forbid it should actually add GOOD programs which might force the current dregs to step it up. And there it is, the first acknowledgement of the bW being a permanent home for SDSU MBB. Now that wasn't so hard, was it?But I don't see how #277 FSU makes the bW a 2 bid conference. @ bids don't go to a #20+ conference. Last year the bW was #25 and none of the new or even possible new teams will get it above 20. It also takes more than 1 good teasm to pull 6 very bad teams up. I dunno, I think Fatah might have an easier time acknowledging Israel's right to exist.
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Post by retiredaztec on Aug 18, 2012 22:07:26 GMT -8
pay the mountain west $3 million per year to accept our bball. # of MWC officials, media pundits, internet bloggers, sports message board posters and other human beings who I've heard suggest that: absolute 0. With due respect, get a clue. Today's MWC is yesterday's WAC. As I keep saying, if you want to know where the MWC will be a decade from now, just check the WAC today. Intriguing thought and certainly quite possible. I would argue the demise of the WAC was expedited by the purging done by the MW. As the money-joke that has become college football continues I would question what conference(s) would be interested in MW programs. One does come to mind, especially if they find themselves being purged by elite conference(s). Then one would ponder, how would adding additional MW schools enhance revenue potential, a thought perhaps being pondered by the suits with the money. Though I would argue the addition of four programs to the PAC-8 did little to enhance the conference from a football competitive standpoint, it did enhance the conference where it counted. That is stronger revenue streams from programs with strong community and alumni support. With fewer and fewer chairs the dancers are really going to have to scramble.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 19, 2012 10:17:55 GMT -8
# of MWC officials, media pundits, internet bloggers, sports message board posters and other human beings who I've heard suggest that: absolute 0. With due respect, get a clue. Today's MWC is yesterday's WAC. As I keep saying, if you want to know where the MWC will be a decade from now, just check the WAC today. thank you! apparently some of you do not appreciate what big east money will mean for football. at least SGF gets it. staying in the MWC means two things: improved basketball, but probably also the loss of football. you can't have your cake and eat it too. some tough choices have to be made so have some confidence in jim sterk. now where will the Big West be in a decade? better than today and it's already on the upswing. The BW will benefit from SDSU's homecoming no matter how brief it is. Hawaii is a committed member. and since everyone else is tearing up the landscape for football, the Big West remains protected from all the carnage. It is a stable vessel that will cruise along, not looking back. Be careful, Gaucho. The BW has much to worry about. As SGF has written, if the BE wants another Western member, and if BYU can resist the many advantage$ of joining (an open question), then Fresno would likely get the 14th slot (this leaves UNLV's stadium issue aside for now). If Fresno gets the call, i see the three high-country MWC schools jumping to CUSA within weeks, which would create an existential crisis in the MWC. The MWC wouldn't mirror the WAC in ten years, it would mirror it immediately. So if you're the MWC what do you do to survive? You finally drop the destructive must-have-football rule and you ask Fresno to sit tight while you go recruit several other good Oly schools to turn the MWC into a top-flight basketball league. If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back. Hawaii comes in for all sports. Say hi to NMSU. And I see LBSU and UCSB jumping too. If there is a western BE division in existence, then BSU and FSU obviously would go there with SDSU, meaning the MWC's problems would not necessarily be solved permanently, but either way the BW would be in a world of trouble. Just a theory.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 10:25:06 GMT -8
thank you! apparently some of you do not appreciate what big east money will mean for football. at least SGF gets it. staying in the MWC means two things: improved basketball, but probably also the loss of football. you can't have your cake and eat it too. some tough choices have to be made so have some confidence in jim sterk. now where will the Big West be in a decade? better than today and it's already on the upswing. The BW will benefit from SDSU's homecoming no matter how brief it is. Hawaii is a committed member. and since everyone else is tearing up the landscape for football, the Big West remains protected from all the carnage. It is a stable vessel that will cruise along, not looking back. Be careful, Gaucho. The BW has much to worry about. As SGF has written, if the BE wants another Western member, and if BYU can resist the many advantage$ of joining (an open question), then Fresno would likely get the 14th slot (this leaves UNLV's stadium issue aside for now). If Fresno gets the call, i see the three high-country MWC schools jumping to CUSA within weeks, which would create an existential crisis in the MWC. The MWC wouldn't mirror the WAC in ten years, it would mirror it immediately. So if you're the MWC what do you do to survive? You finally drop the destructive must-have-football rule and you ask Fresno to sit tight while you go recruit several other good Oly schools to turn the MWC into a top-flight basketball league. If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back. Hawaii comes in for all sports. Say hi to NMSU. And I see LBSU and UCSB jumping too. If there is a western BE division in existence, then BSU and FSU obviously would go there with SDSU, meaning the MWC's problems would not necessarily be solved permanently, but either way the BW would be in a world of trouble. Just a theory. +28 Nailed the most likely possibilities.
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Post by k5james on Aug 19, 2012 10:29:28 GMT -8
I agree with everything but LBSU leaving the BLC. They clearly do not want to upgrade competition. They are perfectly fine being the big team in a shite conference.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 11:08:41 GMT -8
thank you! apparently some of you do not appreciate what big east money will mean for football. at least SGF gets it. staying in the MWC means two things: improved basketball, but probably also the loss of football. you can't have your cake and eat it too. some tough choices have to be made so have some confidence in jim sterk. now where will the Big West be in a decade? better than today and it's already on the upswing. The BW will benefit from SDSU's homecoming no matter how brief it is. Hawaii is a committed member. and since everyone else is tearing up the landscape for football, the Big West remains protected from all the carnage. It is a stable vessel that will cruise along, not looking back. Be careful, Gaucho. The BW has much to worry about. As SGF has written, if the BE wants another Western member, and if BYU can resist the many advantage$ of joining (an open question), then Fresno would likely get the 14th slot (this leaves UNLV's stadium issue aside for now). If Fresno gets the call, i see the three high-country MWC schools jumping to CUSA within weeks, which would create an existential crisis in the MWC. The MWC wouldn't mirror the WAC in ten years, it would mirror it immediately. So if you're the MWC what do you do to survive? You finally drop the destructive must-have-football rule and you ask Fresno to sit tight while you go recruit several other good Oly schools to turn the MWC into a top-flight basketball league. If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back. Hawaii comes in for all sports. Say hi to NMSU. And I see LBSU and UCSB jumping too. If there is a western BE division in existence, then BSU and FSU obviously would go there with SDSU, meaning the MWC's problems would not necessarily be solved permanently, but either way the BW would be in a world of trouble. Just a theory. A theory based on dreams of the BW coming apart. It won't happen. If Hawaii wanted to be in for all-sports they would have done so already. The only conference they are leaving the BW for is the Pac. Also, you know the MW brass wants back into Texas - invites to Texas State and/or UT Arlington are on standby. Meanwhile, Denver and Seattle are out there looking for a home. So say you add Denver and Seattle - after all, it gets the league back into Colorado and an entrance into the Pacific Northwest. At some point, it'll grow too big which will lead to yet another MW/WAC type split. Or a Big East type split, with the non-football schools separating from the FB schools. Craig Thompson is still commissioner too, btw. Neither UCSB or Long Beach are leaving the Big West. we won't throw our other sports under the bus. End of story.
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Post by myownwords on Aug 19, 2012 11:14:20 GMT -8
Be careful, Gaucho. The BW has much to worry about. As SGF has written, if the BE wants another Western member, and if BYU can resist the many advantage$ of joining (an open question), then Fresno would likely get the 14th slot (this leaves UNLV's stadium issue aside for now). If Fresno gets the call, i see the three high-country MWC schools jumping to CUSA within weeks, which would create an existential crisis in the MWC. The MWC wouldn't mirror the WAC in ten years, it would mirror it immediately. So if you're the MWC what do you do to survive? You finally drop the destructive must-have-football rule and you ask Fresno to sit tight while you go recruit several other good Oly schools to turn the MWC into a top-flight basketball league. If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back. Hawaii comes in for all sports. Say hi to NMSU. And I see LBSU and UCSB jumping too. If there is a western BE division in existence, then BSU and FSU obviously would go there with SDSU, meaning the MWC's problems would not necessarily be solved permanently, but either way the BW would be in a world of trouble. Just a theory. A theory based on dreams of the BW coming apart. It won't happen. If Hawaii wanted to be in for all-sports they would have done so already. The only conference they are leaving the BW for is the Pac. Also, you know the MW brass wants back into Texas - invites to Texas State and/or UT Arlington are on standby. Meanwhile, Denver and Seattle are out there looking for a home. So say you add Denver and Seattle - after all, it gets the league back into Colorado and an entrance into the Pacific Northwest. At some point, it'll grow too big which will lead to yet another MW/WAC type split. Or a Big East type split, with the non-football schools separating from the FB schools. Craig Thompson is still commissioner too, btw. Neither UCSB or Long Beach are leaving the Big West. we won't throw our other sports under the bus. End of story. Are we to infer from your disclaimer that SDSU throws its "other" sports under the proverbial bus?
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 11:14:31 GMT -8
I agree with everything but LBSU leaving the BLC. They clearly do not want to upgrade competition. They are perfectly fine being the big team in a shite conference. you just hate this conference with a passion.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 11:16:30 GMT -8
A theory based on dreams of the BW coming apart. It won't happen. If Hawaii wanted to be in for all-sports they would have done so already. The only conference they are leaving the BW for is the Pac. Also, you know the MW brass wants back into Texas - invites to Texas State and/or UT Arlington are on standby. Meanwhile, Denver and Seattle are out there looking for a home. So say you add Denver and Seattle - after all, it gets the league back into Colorado and an entrance into the Pacific Northwest. At some point, it'll grow too big which will lead to yet another MW/WAC type split. Or a Big East type split, with the non-football schools separating from the FB schools. Craig Thompson is still commissioner too, btw. Neither UCSB or Long Beach are leaving the Big West. we won't throw our other sports under the bus. End of story. Are we to infer from your disclaimer that SDSU throws it's "other" sports under the proverbial bus? nope. But you can imply that Boise is. UCSB and Long Beach would be doing the same if they left for the Meek Worthless Conference.
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Post by k5james on Aug 19, 2012 11:17:53 GMT -8
I agree with everything but LBSU leaving the BLC. They clearly do not want to upgrade competition. They are perfectly fine being the big team in a shite conference. you just hate this conference with a passion. Not really, I'm just calling a spade a spade.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 11:24:02 GMT -8
you just hate this conference with a passion. Not really, I'm just calling a spade a spade. so you want back in the Meek Worthless Conference, where basketball can be "saved" but at the cost of losing football. understood. I'm sure that the superpowers of the football universe, UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, and Utah State, will serve as beacons of excellence that the networks will be drooling all over. Oh the potential ratings for those annual SDSU-Idaho games will be off the charts - if the games are ever broadcast, of course. Nothing personal. I'm just calling a spade a spade
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 11:51:34 GMT -8
Not really, I'm just calling a spade a spade. so you want back in the Meek Worthless Conference, where basketball can be "saved" but at the cost of losing football. understood. I'm sure that the superpowers of the football universe, UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, and Utah State, will serve as beacons of excellence that the networks will be drooling all over. Oh the potential ratings for those annual SDSU-Idaho games will be off the charts - if the games are ever broadcast, of course. Nothing personal. I'm just calling a spade a spade Did you read the theory? It was about the MWC inviting teams back without football and leaves that sport in the BE. For the invited programs, they need a football home as that landscape is dwindling. The WAC is about to lose football certification for FBS/D1A. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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