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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 12:02:12 GMT -8
so you want back in the Meek Worthless Conference, where basketball can be "saved" but at the cost of losing football. understood. I'm sure that the superpowers of the football universe, UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, and Utah State, will serve as beacons of excellence that the networks will be drooling all over. Oh the potential ratings for those annual SDSU-Idaho games will be off the charts - if the games are ever broadcast, of course. Nothing personal. I'm just calling a spade a spade Did you read the theory? It was about the MWC inviting teams back without football and leaves that sport in the BE. For the invited programs, they need a football home as that landscape is dwindling. The WAC is about to lose football certification for FBS/D1A. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards I read the theory. Just don't buy it. Hawaii will stick around a long time so at worst, the BW would be back to what it is/was in 2012. Denver and Seattle are still out there too. I'd also like to point out that without football, the MWC must sponsor a second men's team sport to go along with basketball and baseball.
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Post by k5james on Aug 19, 2012 12:38:04 GMT -8
Not really, I'm just calling a spade a spade. so you want back in the Meek Worthless Conference, where basketball can be "saved" but at the cost of losing football. understood. I'm sure that the superpowers of the football universe, UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, and Utah State, will serve as beacons of excellence that the networks will be drooling all over. Oh the potential ratings for those annual SDSU-Idaho games will be off the charts - if the games are ever broadcast, of course. Nothing personal. I'm just calling a spade a spade Where did I ever say that smart guy? I've been one of the biggest proponents of this move. It doesn't mean I have to pretend the BLC is all sunshine and lollipops though.
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Post by quickdraw on Aug 19, 2012 12:41:37 GMT -8
Meanwhile, back at Justice League Headquarters the Aztec faithful are still trying to figure out how not to get trapped in the bW for the next decade. They have now dissected every conference in the western US to find a plan to escape from the evil bW but a pesty Gaucho keeps thwarting them at every turn in an attempt to save his beloved home conference. Stay tuned for more after this break......
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 12:46:23 GMT -8
so you want back in the Meek Worthless Conference, where basketball can be "saved" but at the cost of losing football. understood. I'm sure that the superpowers of the football universe, UNLV, New Mexico, NMSU, and Utah State, will serve as beacons of excellence that the networks will be drooling all over. Oh the potential ratings for those annual SDSU-Idaho games will be off the charts - if the games are ever broadcast, of course. Nothing personal. I'm just calling a spade a spade Where did I ever say that smart guy? I've been one of the biggest proponents of this move. It doesn't mean I have to pretend the BLC is all sunshine and lollipops though. so no singing kumbaya for a while, huh? Compared to where the MWC could be in a very short time, the BLWC might as well be sunshine and lollipops. Nowhere did you say anything about going back to Thompson's peanut gallery. 78aztec82 did, though: "If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back." It will take a while for the BLECh to expand into a full western division, if they ever do it at all.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 12:47:12 GMT -8
Meanwhile, back at Justice League Headquarters the Aztec faithful are still trying to figure out how not to get trapped in the bW for the next decade. They have now dissected every conference in the western US to find a plan to escape from the evil bW but a pesty Gaucho keeps thwarting them at every turn in an attempt to save his beloved home conference. Stay tuned for more after this break...... Sounds like you are a bit worried about being relegated. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 12:53:30 GMT -8
Where did I ever say that smart guy? I've been one of the biggest proponents of this move. It doesn't mean I have to pretend the BLC is all sunshine and lollipops though. so no singing kumbaya for a while, huh? Compared to where the MWC could be in a very short time, the BLWC might as well be sunshine and lollipops. Nowhere did you say anything about going back to Thompson's peanut gallery. 78aztec82 did, though: "If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back." It will take a while for the BLEC to expand into a full western division, if they ever do it at all. Just talking potential options that are plausible. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 12:56:23 GMT -8
so no singing kumbaya for a while, huh? Compared to where the MWC could be in a very short time, the BLWC might as well be sunshine and lollipops. Nowhere did you say anything about going back to Thompson's peanut gallery. 78aztec82 did, though: "If the Aztecs are not already in a western division of the BE by then, then they come back. Boise comes back." It will take a while for the BLEC to expand into a full western division, if they ever do it at all. Just talking potential options that are plausible. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards never said it was unreasonable. just that Hawaii, UCSB and LBSU will not be a part of it.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 19, 2012 13:56:30 GMT -8
Just talking potential options that are plausible. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards never said it was unreasonable. just that Hawaii, UCSB and LBSU will not be a part of it. Didn't mean to suggest it was a slam dunk--there are too many Ifs involved. I was just saying that as things stand now the dominoes are setting up in such a way that the MWC will have no alternative but to abandon its insistence on football. If it does, I think LBSU and UCSB both get at least a phone call from the MWC. Big West purists might insist that their schools would take the high road and decline the invitations, and maybe Long Beach would chicken out and duck the stronger competition. But UCSB, passing up the chance to take their strong program to a four-bid conference? I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 14:33:07 GMT -8
FWIW, here's the 2013-2014 CUSA: UTEP Tulsa Rice UTSA UNT UAB USM LA Tech Tulane FIU ECU Marshall Maybe they just stay with 12. However, consider this. CUSA is about to add a SBC school in FIU. Geographically, Arkansas State would be a perfect fit between Tulsa and the two Louisiana schools and USM. And Arkansas State not only just won the SBC football title while averaging more fans per game than UNM and UNLV and almost as many as CSU and Wyoming, it replaced its departing HC with Gus Malzahn, an amazing hire for a SBC school, frankly. Would CUSA consider adding Arky State plus the MWC front range schools and going to a two division, 16-member format? I sure would if I was the commissioner. You do know that CUSA is adding UNC Charlotte and ODU, two schools that have started football. I also think Texas St. will be in the picture for possible future CUSA membership. I heard talk of CUSA adding those two. If a decision was actually made to do so, it's news to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2012 14:46:58 GMT -8
We get at least a couple UNLV trolls here every month but I check the UNLV board pretty regularly and literally never see any Aztecs there. Yet the #1 mantra of UNLV fans on the MWC board is although they aren't going to miss us, we're going to miss them.
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Post by rockshow on Aug 19, 2012 14:54:49 GMT -8
Meanwhile, back at Justice League Headquarters the Aztec faithful are still trying to figure out how not to get trapped in the bW for the next decade. They have now dissected every conference in the western US to find a plan to escape from the evil bW but a pesty Gaucho keeps thwarting them at every turn in an attempt to save his beloved home conference. Stay tuned for more after this break...... Dude, you have a good basketball team in a league that is falling apart, and none of your other sports are in the least bit enticing. You are acting like since you are in a league that has no television revenue, people darting out left and right, but (OMG!) a whopping 2 legit basketball teams, that you are in better shape than us. Overall, there is a reason we wanted to get out of the MWC so badly, if you think UNLV wouldn't do that same thing as us, you are so sadly mistaken. You just suck too much at the one sport that matters to even be considered right now.
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Post by quickdraw on Aug 19, 2012 16:16:32 GMT -8
We get at least a couple UNLV trolls here every month but I check the UNLV board pretty regularly and literally never see any Aztecs there. Yet the #1 mantra of UNLV fans on the MWC board is although they aren't going to miss us, we're going to miss them. No the #1 mantra of SDSU fans is that because they are leaving the MWC that it will or already has suddenly crumbled and will blow away like dust in the wind. I seriously doubt that either team will hardly notice that the other is gone. By the way the title of this thread is is Big West Smack Talk and it was started by a SDSU fan.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 16:29:07 GMT -8
We get at least a couple UNLV trolls here every month but I check the UNLV board pretty regularly and literally never see any Aztecs there. Yet the #1 mantra of UNLV fans on the MWC board is although they aren't going to miss us, we're going to miss them. No the #1 mantra of SDSU fans is that because they are leaving the MWC that it will or already has suddenly crumbled and will blow away like dust in the wind. Hyperbole much?
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 17:01:26 GMT -8
never said it was unreasonable. just that Hawaii, UCSB and LBSU will not be a part of it. Didn't mean to suggest it was a slam dunk--there are too many Ifs involved. I was just saying that as things stand now the dominoes are setting up in such a way that the MWC will have no alternative but to abandon its insistence on football. If it does, I think LBSU and UCSB both get at least a phone call from the MWC. Big West purists might insist that their schools would take the high road and decline the invitations, and maybe Long Beach would chicken out and duck the stronger competition. But UCSB, passing up the chance to take their strong program to a four-bid conference? I doubt it. Sound, and I could see the potential of this going down as you propose. I'll buy the logic. They may get the call but I still don't see it actually happening because... A. If I read your theory correctly, the MWC becomes an olympic conference and everyone with football will play in the Big East even though it will have no need to grow any bigger. - Can you really see the league adding New Mexico, NMSU, UNLV and Utah State's teams? - Especially when East Carolina, Southern Miss, and/or UMass are availiable? - Besides, who's to say NMSU won't put their sports in the MVC?? - Or that the front range schools won't choose to stay put?? B. Have I mentioned Denver and Seattle being available yet? C. UCSB has developed a reputation over the past decade of not doing things by the book. Remember, their most successful (and most popular) sport is men's soccer. I highly doubt such a strong, well supported program will be thrown under the bus, especially when every other sport would suffer too. Basketball has done pretty well lately in the BW so there are no worries here. If Craig Thompson and co. want us, the MW will have to at least sponsor men's soccer in the conference. Actually, they're probably going to do that anyway because of the requirement to add a third men's team sport in the absence of football. At least six schools are required. In the conference as it will look come July 2013 - UNLV, Air Force, SJSU and New Mexico have men's teams. As long as baseball stays at six members or better, affiliates can be used to fill the minimum requirement for men's soccer (Denver?, Seattle?, Sac State?, Houston Baptist?)
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 17:20:30 GMT -8
I think the theory was not to quit football in the MWC, but to allow certain schools with quality basketball programs back in, sans their football teams. Football would remain in the MWC but not be required for all members. It would be for survival as he laid out the case.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 17:31:34 GMT -8
I think the theory was not to quit football in the MWC, but to allow certain schools with quality basketball programs back in, sans their football teams. Football would remain in the MWC but not be required for all members. It would be for survival as he laid out the case. ok. so what does happen with those four football teams I mentioned? don't you need eight to remain an FBS conference? I can hardly imagine the super four would be okay with not playing Boise, SDSU, and the rest.
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Post by quickdraw on Aug 19, 2012 17:34:16 GMT -8
I love all of the therories of how all of these conferences change everything they are and have been doing to bailout SDSU'S MBB program from, as the Gaucho says, being thrown under the bus. I personally see it as more of being thrown into the bus. Just resign yourselves to being 1 of the bW's better basketball teams. Take some of that FB money and buy some buy the basketball team something nice. The next decade will fly by in no time at all.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 17:37:28 GMT -8
I think the theory was not to quit football in the MWC, but to allow certain schools with quality basketball programs back in, sans their football teams. Football would remain in the MWC but not be required for all members. It would be for survival as he laid out the case. ok. so what does happen with those four football teams I mentioned? don't you need eight to remain an FBS conference? I can hardly imagine the super four would be okay with not playing Boise, SDSU, and the rest. There will be teams willing to join the MWC for football. Not following your logic. Still, I think the future holds for a league or situation that currently doesn't even exist. That would most likely be a hoops-first western conference or a west division of the nBE.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Aug 19, 2012 17:40:14 GMT -8
I love all of the therories of how all of these conferences change everything they are and have been doing to bailout SDSU'S MBB program from, as the Gaucho says, being thrown under the bus. I personally see it as more of being thrown into the bus. Just resign yourselves to being 1 of the bW's better basketball teams. Take some of that FB money and buy some buy the basketball team something nice. The next decade will fly by in no time at all. I hope you add more value to your work and life situations than you do here. Sincerely.
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Post by jdgaucho on Aug 19, 2012 17:53:01 GMT -8
ok. so what does happen with those four football teams I mentioned? don't you need eight to remain an FBS conference? I can hardly imagine the super four would be okay with not playing Boise, SDSU, and the rest. There will be teams willing to join the MWC for football. Not following your logic. Still, I think the future holds for a league or situation that currently doesn't even exist. That would most likely be a hoops-first western conference or a west division of the nBE. The reasoning behind my logic: I can't see some of the bigger named schools - SDSU, Boise, Fresno, Air Force, Hawaii - playing football in the BE while the rest - UNLV, UNM, New Mexico State, San Jose, Utah State, Wyoming, CSU - are denied the same opportunity. Sets up a potentially nasty split I don't think the football requirement for admission will be dropped either. The Montana's and Dakotas are awaiting the call to move up. Texas State would probably accept too. Idaho is on their knees praying for an invite. Still pieces on the board left to be claimed. Post edit: I am talking about the MWC adding all these teams above, not the BE
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