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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2012 8:15:43 GMT -8
Wait, wait. So if you can pull 2 of those and I can pull 11 of those, does that mean I win? Wait, wait. Which one would you consider that means the most? The last one? I would...alongside UNLV with the best incoming players the conference and program has ever seen I think it's safe to say who will be favorites. Just wait until after Bennett announces...tides will quickly change in these "polls" that mean nothing. I agree, if UNLV signs Bennett, they will be the media's pick for the top team in the MWC next year. SDSU will be 2nd. 3rd place is the interesting vote. I could see UNM, CSU, or Nevada. The MWC should have its best year ever. Next season will be the peak. #1 UNLV / SDSU #3 Nevada / CSU / UNM #6 BSU / Wyo / FSU #9 AFA
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Post by aztectruth on May 9, 2012 8:25:28 GMT -8
Wait, wait. So if you can pull 2 of those and I can pull 11 of those, does that mean I win? Wait, wait. Which one would you consider that means the most? The last one? I would...alongside UNLV with the best incoming players the conference and program has ever seen I think it's safe to say who will be favorites. Just wait until after Bennett announces...tides will quickly change in these "polls" that mean nothing. So the only time polls matter is when UNLV is on top of them?
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Post by mens fashion on May 9, 2012 8:33:04 GMT -8
Wait, wait. Which one would you consider that means the most? The last one? I would...alongside UNLV with the best incoming players the conference and program has ever seen I think it's safe to say who will be favorites. Just wait until after Bennett announces...tides will quickly change in these "polls" that mean nothing. I agree, if UNLV signs Bennett, they will be the media's pick for the top team in the MWC next year. SDSU will be 2nd. 3rd place is the interesting vote. I could see UNM, CSU, or Nevada. The MWC should have its best year ever. Next season will be the peak. #1 UNLV / SDSU #3 Nevada / CSU / UNM #6 BSU / Wyo / FSU #9 AFA / Hawaii Hawaii isn't playing bball
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2012 8:37:41 GMT -8
I agree, if UNLV signs Bennett, they will be the media's pick for the top team in the MWC next year. SDSU will be 2nd. 3rd place is the interesting vote. I could see UNM, CSU, or Nevada. The MWC should have its best year ever. Next season will be the peak. #1 UNLV / SDSU #3 Nevada / CSU / UNM #6 BSU / Wyo / FSU #9 AFA / Hawaii Hawaii isn't playing bball You're right...my bad.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on May 9, 2012 9:38:56 GMT -8
Wait, wait. Which one would you consider that means the most? The last one? I would...alongside UNLV with the best incoming players the conference and program has ever seen I think it's safe to say who will be favorites. Just wait until after Bennett announces...tides will quickly change in these "polls" that mean nothing. I agree, if UNLV signs Bennett, they will be the media's pick for the top team in the MWC next year. SDSU will be 2nd. 3rd place is the interesting vote. I could see UNM, CSU, or Nevada. The MWC should have its best year ever. Next season will be the peak. #1 UNLV / SDSU #3 Nevada / CSU / UNM #6 BSU / Wyo / FSU #9 AFA I still think SDSU is going to be the Media pick if UNLV gets Bennett. SDSU finished higher last year and really didn't lose anything (other than Shelton's leadership - which they kinda will still have) while UNLV lost some good to decent players. Even with Bennett I don't think you can argue that UNLV's new players are better than SDSU's new players - especially since 3 of SDSU's players have D1 experience compared to 2 for UNLV - so let's call it even.
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2012 10:05:40 GMT -8
I agree, if UNLV signs Bennett, they will be the media's pick for the top team in the MWC next year. SDSU will be 2nd. 3rd place is the interesting vote. I could see UNM, CSU, or Nevada. The MWC should have its best year ever. Next season will be the peak. #1 UNLV / SDSU #3 Nevada / CSU / UNM #6 BSU / Wyo / FSU #9 AFA I still think SDSU is going to be the Media pick if UNLV gets Bennett. SDSU finished higher last year and really didn't lose anything (other than Shelton's leadership - which they kinda will still have) while UNLV lost some good to decent players. Even with Bennett I don't think you can argue that UNLV's new players are better than SDSU's new players - especially since 3 of SDSU's players have D1 experience compared to 2 for UNLV - so let's call it even. UNLV didn't lose much. Bennett, Birch, Moser, Jones, and Reinhardt were all top 50 type recruits. They will be the media pick if they get Bennett. The Bennett, Birch, and Moser front line will rival the great Aztecs front line of the Sweet 16 team. Aztecs will be very good but ULV will be top 10 in pre-season polls while the Aztecs will be in the teens.
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Post by aztech on May 9, 2012 11:04:51 GMT -8
UNLV didn't lose much. Bennett, Birch, Moser, Jones, and Reinhardt were all top 50 type recruits. They will be the media pick if they get Bennett. The Bennett, Birch, and Moser front line will rival the great Aztecs front line of the Sweet 16 team. Aztecs will be very good but ULV will be top 10 in pre-season polls while the Aztecs will be in the teens. In some respects, I'd prefer that they get the higher rank if they sign Bennett. The offseason is full of paper tigers. Once the season starts it's all about expectation and pressure over the long haul. No matter who coaches them the Rebels are good for one early big win, then they seem to fade as the season wears down. They claim it's going to be different this year with this incoming class, but haven't we heard that spiel every year? I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by gator82 on May 9, 2012 11:48:18 GMT -8
Wait, wait. Which one would you consider that means the most? The last one? I would...alongside UNLV with the best incoming players the conference and program has ever seen I think it's safe to say who will be favorites. Just wait until after Bennett announces...tides will quickly change in these "polls" that mean nothing. So the only time polls matter is when UNLV is on top of them? Yes.
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2012 12:35:21 GMT -8
Their just mad because their about to sail into the Bermuda Triangle of College Basketball known as the Big West. 15-1 BW Champs LBSU #12 seed. That is because they didn't really have any good non-conference wins. SDSU will play a similar schedule as LBSU did last year (but likely more home games) and by winning some of those games, they will get a higher seed that #12. This is incorrect and it is this thinking that makes the Big West "okay" in some eyes. But alas, this is incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2012 13:33:13 GMT -8
That is because they didn't really have any good non-conference wins. SDSU will play a similar schedule as LBSU did last year (but likely more home games) and by winning some of those games, they will get a higher seed that #12. This is incorrect and it is this thinking that makes the Big West "okay" in some eyes. But alas, this is incorrect. Checks Murray State's schedule.
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Post by saucematix on May 9, 2012 13:45:45 GMT -8
According to unlv fans. Chace stanback leaving is addition by subtraction.
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Post by hoobs on May 9, 2012 13:55:03 GMT -8
This is incorrect and it is this thinking that makes the Big West "okay" in some eyes. But alas, this is incorrect. Checks Murray State's schedule. No team from a crap conference like the Ohio Valley could ever get better than a 12-seed with ZERO wins against top-25 team (based on end-of-year rankings) in their OOC schedule. Oh, wait...
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Post by AztecBill on May 9, 2012 14:08:45 GMT -8
That is because they didn't really have any good non-conference wins. SDSU will play a similar schedule as LBSU did last year (but likely more home games) and by winning some of those games, they will get a higher seed that #12. This is incorrect and it is this thinking that makes the Big West "okay" in some eyes. But alas, this is incorrect. What part is incorrect? LBSU did play a tough OOC schedule but only managed to beat #41 and #96. The Aztecs didn't have as tough a schedule OOC but beat #36, #37, #76. LBSU's #12 had a lot to do with their lack of OOC wins. LBSU also only played 12 OOC games. That combined with 16 (not counting BWC Tournament) conference games, killed any chance of maintaining a decent RPI. The Aztecs will have a 17/14 ratio between OOC and Conference games. Not LBSU's 12/16 ratio. In addition, the Aztecs will play LBSU as an opponent in the Big West. That is something LBSU couldn't do. Even with those shortcomings LBSU still was #36 in RPI. Reduce conference games by 2 and add 5 more OOC games and win a couple more good games OOC and LBSU would be in the mid teens in RPI. That is SDSU's path to good seeds from the Big West.
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2012 14:21:48 GMT -8
This is the wrong thread for this...
Long Beach had Pitt, SDSU, Louisville, Kansas, North Carolina, Xavier, Kansas State and Creighton in their OOC. Pitt was #9 when lbsu won. Xavier was 15. And the rest of those teams were top 25, if not top 10 when the year started. Could you imagine how this board would react if we could somehow get half of those teams one year? We get two of these types of games and people talk like we have a long beach schedule... two games doesn't make an ooc.
Now, in retrospect, the Pitt win and Xavier win don't look as good because they finished 41 and 96 (according to Bill's last post). The problem is being able to schedule teams that will finish the year in the top 10. You have to gamble when scheduling, and it's not like we even have the luxury of handpicking who we think will finish the season top 10 (which would be hard enough).
Sure, say lbsu beat unc or kansas, that would have moved them up to what - an 11 seed? a 10? Those thinking any higher than that don't understand the S curve.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on May 9, 2012 14:42:13 GMT -8
This is the wrong thread for this... Long Beach had Pitt, SDSU, Louisville, Kansas, North Carolina, Xavier, Kansas State and Creighton in their OOC. Pitt was #9 when lbsu won. Xavier was 15. And the rest of those teams were top 25, if not top 10 when the year started. Could you imagine how this board would react if we could somehow get half of those teams one year? We get two of these types of games and people talk like we have a long beach schedule... two games doesn't make an ooc. Now, in retrospect, the Pitt win and Xavier win don't look as good because they finished 41 and 96 (according to Bill's last post). The problem is being able to schedule teams that will finish the year in the top 10. You have to gamble when scheduling, and it's not like we even have the luxury of handpicking who we think will finish the season top 10 (which would be hard enough). Sure, say lbsu beat unc or kansas, that would have moved them up to what - an 11 seed? a 10? Those thinking any higher than that don't understand the S curve. The problem was all those games were on the road (or Hawaii) and their wins ended up (as you said) not as good as initially expected. For SDSU, some of these types of games will be at home (which we're more likely to win). Sure we won't have ALL those great teams, but we're likely to have Pac 12, WCC, MWC teams on the schedule which will help. Bottom line is that of course SDSU takes a hit by going to the Big West (compared to the last few MWC seasons) but they will be able to 'up' their non-conference schedule, get more national exposure and as long as they win, they'll do much better than a 12 seed. Also, the latest news is a 16 game Big West schedule is coming, which is what they had in the MWC for most years.
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Post by MonsterSiZiN on May 9, 2012 14:56:19 GMT -8
Bold predictions of Big West allowing SDSU a smaller conference schedule and then also being able to schedule better opponents at home. I know UNLV has a hard enough time getting the big guys here. We had to play UNC on neutral court in vegas and next year in their home building. People love to talk $#!+ about "Mid-Majors" yet their basketball programs don't dare travel into our buildings. It's a LOT harder because we need them more than they need us...which means if you can get a deal with these big programs you get the short end of the stick.
Btw Murray St. lost one game...one game. Still got a bad seed. LBSU played alot of good OOC rpi schools. Still had to win their tourney and got a 12 seed when it was all said and done. Long story short is that SDSU won't be able to afford having a bad game in the BW conference tourney or you'll be NIT bound. Which could hurt the program in a variety of ways. Looking forward to one last final season against SDSU though.
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Post by MonsterSiZiN on May 9, 2012 15:03:12 GMT -8
According to unlv fans. Chace stanback leaving is addition by subtraction. Well we replace a streaky shooter that stands on the 3 point line with less than 100% knees with a McDonalds All-American and a Steve Fisher highly liked transfer.
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Post by azteccc on May 9, 2012 15:23:53 GMT -8
hate to agree
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on May 9, 2012 16:00:22 GMT -8
Well I think playing teams like Syracuse, UCLA and Arizona in OOC will be a bit different than playing Harris-Stowe, Tennessee Temple and Alaska-Anchorage. I could be wrong but doubt it here. Even with that weak schedule they clobbered their first round tournament foe although the name escape me.
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Post by twobits on May 9, 2012 16:08:57 GMT -8
The one difference, hopefully, being that we actually win a few of those tough OOC games that will be on neutral or hostile courts. I think there is also a realistic chance of playing a few other good mid-major programs in a home - home series.
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