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Post by monty on Feb 22, 2012 10:31:10 GMT -8
Looked up O'brien's stats: in MWC play he had 5 double digit rebound games and 6 double digit scoring games with some 8s and 9s spread around in both - last 7 games of the year he didn't play less than 36 minutes. He's seasoned, had a year in the system and is going to be going into his 3rd year - dude is going to be a good one for us
On the other hand, a guy like Polee gets so much love because hes a freak athlete and had stars next to his name, but didn't contribute as much in his frosh year.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 22, 2012 10:38:58 GMT -8
It's great to hear about our transfers playing so well in practices. I had no idea about JJ playing so well. That is great news and only builds on my excitement for next year. Much appreciated on the comments - including AztecTom (aside from his anger management issues.) O'brien was hurt at the start of his time at Utah, but by the end of the year was playing basically the entire game and putting up numbers in the MWC as a true frosh. I have no doubt the kid can play, be a big part of the team and push to start. My question about O'Brien is defense. He started every conference game for Utah and averaged 31.4 minutes but only had 3 blocks and 8 steals. That makes me wonder how good his denfense is. A player can be a good defender and still have low blocks and steal numbers but they are usually a good indication of defense. |
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Post by monty on Feb 22, 2012 10:46:28 GMT -8
O'brien was hurt at the start of his time at Utah, but by the end of the year was playing basically the entire game and putting up numbers in the MWC as a true frosh. I have no doubt the kid can play, be a big part of the team and push to start. My question about O'Brien is defense. He started every conference game for Utah and averaged 31.4 minutes but only had 3 blocks and 8 steals. That makes me wonder how good his denfense is. A player can be a good defender and still have low blocks and steal numbers but they are usually a good indication of defense. I didn't see every Utah game because they stunk so bad, but watched enough that he just looked like an MWC starter and was a complete player. We'll have to see how he does on both ends of the court as an Aztec, but he was also a true frosh that missed a month or so of the year to start off. i.e. He's not just a player to be named later, he's a legit player for us. |
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Post by aztecpaulg on Feb 22, 2012 10:56:33 GMT -8
Plus on a team with a plethora of 2's & 4's, he's a legit 4 on the college level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 10:56:39 GMT -8
Thats a good catch Bill... Even Shelton has more blocks and steals than that with 5 and 14, respectively (not to mention his 25+ charges taken). O'Brien will get plenty of minutes initially, and they will be his to lose. Stephens will be improved but he is still so very raw at the game of basketball, and Spencer will have his growing pains as a true freshman. Will be interesting to see how the minutes break down for our post players, especially when Johnson is available. On paper we looked stacked on the block, but still a lot of question marks concerning our bigs.
At the end of the day, there is absolutely no question that we will be a much improved in interior defense and rebounding. We should also have many more second chance opportunities on the offensive end.
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Post by ciabounce on Feb 22, 2012 10:57:09 GMT -8
Looked up O'brien's stats: in MWC play he had 5 double digit rebound games and 6 double digit scoring games with some 8s and 9s spread around in both - last 7 games of the year he didn't play less than 36 minutes. He's seasoned, had a year in the system and is going to be going into his 3rd year - dude is going to be a good one for us On the other hand, a guy like Polee gets so much love because hes a freak athlete and had stars next to his name, but didn't contribute as much in his frosh year. Polee played on a much better team and was named by Lavin as the teams best defender. |
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Post by monty on Feb 22, 2012 11:10:21 GMT -8
Looked up O'brien's stats: in MWC play he had 5 double digit rebound games and 6 double digit scoring games with some 8s and 9s spread around in both - last 7 games of the year he didn't play less than 36 minutes. He's seasoned, had a year in the system and is going to be going into his 3rd year - dude is going to be a good one for us On the other hand, a guy like Polee gets so much love because hes a freak athlete and had stars next to his name, but didn't contribute as much in his frosh year. Polee played on a much better team and was named by Lavin as the teams best defender. He gets this love because of the Recruiting Industrial Complex that has permeated sports boards. Polee looked absurdly raw out there the times I saw him and he has a much higher ceiling, but O'Brien looked like a well rounded player. I think people sleeping on him is silly |
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Post by pokinsky on Feb 22, 2012 11:45:46 GMT -8
O'brien was hurt at the start of his time at Utah, but by the end of the year was playing basically the entire game and putting up numbers in the MWC as a true frosh. I have no doubt the kid can play, be a big part of the team and push to start. My question about O'Brien is defense. He started every conference game for Utah and averaged 31.4 minutes but only had 3 blocks and 8 steals. That makes me wonder how good his denfense is. A player can be a good defender and still have low blocks and steal numbers but they are usually a good indication of defense. I think his defense is going to be excellent ... but it might actually be his shooting that is his weakness? It will be interesting to see how much he's improved during his redshirt year. His blocks and steals numbers are low, but they are pretty similar to a player like Jesse Perry from Arizona (who is also a 6'7 PF). O'Brien quickly took over the role as Utah's top defender and he usually guarded the opposing teams best offensive wing player (Fredette, Leonard, etc.) J.J. O'Brien: The freshman from California played solid defense on Jimmer Fredette most of the game, holding him to eight points through the first 30 minutes before Fredette caught fire down the stretch with 12 straight points in a four-minute stretch. On the offensive end, O'Brien finished with 10 points and had seven rebounds. Grade: A-www.deseretnews.com/article/705366587/Utah-Utes-basketball-report-card-JJ-OBrien-Will-Clyburn-help-Utes-hang-tough.htmlUtah fan site: I would certainly hate to lose J.J. O'Brien more than anything. I could live with losing anybody else,
I was pleasantly surprised by the outcome last night, as I believe most of us were. I really enjoy watching J.J. O'Brien play. How did we get that guy? Seriously?O'Brien has far exceeded expectations coming out of high school. I'm not sure what his true position is ... but you could probably say that about most of our forwards next year. |
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Post by aztecsfuturefinal4 on Feb 22, 2012 13:00:33 GMT -8
fab 5? more like fab 12 if we get pelle in january lol  |
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Post by ignoranus on Feb 22, 2012 16:35:16 GMT -8
If JJ was regularly assigned the other teams best player I think that just maybe his D will be OK for us, too.
With guys like JF, Polee, Shepard and maybe January/Pelle, a player like JJ is needed for stability and complementary play with the All-human highlight reel team we seem to be assembling. A good role player-spear carrier provides the essential glue that enables the TEAM to hang together.
A guy named Shelton is doing it now. I predict that JJ starts and does it very well next year and there after. We're gonna love his steady/heady play.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Feb 22, 2012 16:52:02 GMT -8
As compared to this year, next year's team will be hard for players to get minutes. We know that Chase and Jamaal will get theirs. We will go back to a 2 guard team. With X, Rahon, Chase and Jamaal, how many minutes will be available for LaBradford? Shepard may get some other those minutes also. We are playing 4 guards most of the time now, and he does not get PT.
It should be his choice, but what is best for him? Hey, if he wants to be a back-up. or thinks his game will improve next year, then great!
I think Fisher will be part of the decision and will want the best outcome. I truly think he cares about his players and will shape the best outcome.
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Post by ciabounce on Feb 22, 2012 16:52:53 GMT -8
Polee played on a much better team and was named by Lavin as the teams best defender. He gets this love because of the Recruiting Industrial Complex that has permeated sports boards. Polee looked absurdly raw out there the times I saw him and he has a much higher ceiling, but O'Brien looked like a well rounded player. I think people sleeping on him is silly O brien has a decent mid range game that Polee doesn't/didn't have, from what I have been told is Polee has gained a considerable amount of strength and his jumper is much improved. |
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Post by AztecTom on Feb 22, 2012 23:17:10 GMT -8
He gets this love because of the Recruiting Industrial Complex that has permeated sports boards. Polee looked absurdly raw out there the times I saw him and he has a much higher ceiling, but O'Brien looked like a well rounded player. I think people sleeping on him is silly O brien has a decent mid range game that Polee doesn't/didn't have, from what I have been told is Polee has gained a considerable amount of strength and his jumper is much improved. This is true. |
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Post by erogers on Feb 23, 2012 14:30:22 GMT -8
I just wonder...do you guys think that it is THAT uncommon for schools to "force" ask their "lesser players" out? I can see it from both ends: it would not be good for SDSU to have a reputation for doing this as a recruiting process doesn't just affect a player (family, connections etc.), however; you don't think the big boys (Kansas and UConn comes to mind) do this to get that next big recruit? I imagine the transition from being a regional to a national power has to come with these type of scenarios...
At the end of the day, IMO, there have been a handful of teams in history that will be as loaded and versatile an 11-deep as this team...so this may be a unique situation...just sayin.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Feb 23, 2012 19:59:36 GMT -8
Do any of you know the real reasons why some good players from big programs transferred to SDSU? I was just wondering if their situation is similar to what could happen to AW next season.
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Post by bschmurda on Feb 23, 2012 20:19:37 GMT -8
Do any of you know the real reasons why some good players from big programs transferred to SDSU? I was just wondering if their situation is similar to what could happen to AW next season. Polee transferred from St. Johns to be closer to his Mother who was having medcal issues James Johnson transferred from Virginia because he didn't fit into the Offense they ran their JJ transferred from Utah because of coaching changes not really similar to AW situation |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 24, 2012 7:40:21 GMT -8
Do any of you know the real reasons why some good players from big programs transferred to SDSU? I was just wondering if their situation is similar to what could happen to AW next season. Lorrenzo Wade chose SDSU over WA because UW had too many guards & minutes would have been an issue. Talent overload has bitten Romar in the past, he has gone from a scary talented squad to a short bench because guys took off for minutes! |
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Post by UCSDSU on Feb 24, 2012 8:05:41 GMT -8
As compared to this year, next year's team will be hard for players to get minutes. We know that Chase and Jamaal will get theirs. We will go back to a 2 guard team. With X, Rahon, Chase and Jamaal, how many minutes will be available for LaBradford? Shepard may get some other those minutes also. We are playing 4 guards most of the time now, and he does not get PT. It should be his choice, but what is best for him? Hey, if he wants to be a back-up. or thinks his game will improve next year, then great! I think Fisher will be part of the decision and will want the best outcome. I truly think he cares about his players and will shape the best outcome. I don't understand all this talk about forcing LBF out.  "If he wants to be a back-up"? He is THE back-up, this year and next year. Why would you want to get rid of your only other true PG? What if X goes down? You really want Tapley running the point? You forget NONE of the high profile recruits and transfers are PGs. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 24, 2012 8:10:44 GMT -8
I don't understand any of this talk re running anyone out!!
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Post by sdsustoner on Feb 24, 2012 10:22:46 GMT -8
I don't understand any of this talk re running anyone out!! Especially since Alec seems too lazy to run ;D |
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"If he wants to be a back-up"? He is THE back-up, this year and next year. Why would you want to get rid of your only other true PG? What if X goes down? You really want Tapley running the point? You forget NONE of the high profile recruits and transfers are PGs.