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Post by patentagent on Feb 21, 2012 8:42:24 GMT -8
I do not want us to be that team. We have a hell of team, we don't need to run people off. Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality.
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Post by pokinsky on Feb 21, 2012 10:04:35 GMT -8
I do not want us to be that team. We have a hell of team, we don't need to run people off. Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality. And Kevin Young could leave at any time too ... but that seemed to ruffle a few feathers. If you actually believe what you just said ... I hope you weren't mad about Young leaving.
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Post by azteclegacy on Feb 21, 2012 10:12:21 GMT -8
I do not want us to be that team. We have a hell of team, we don't need to run people off. Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality. you're right we CAN do that. and future recruits and parents CAN decide they dont trust our staff and CAN take their talents elsewhere.
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Post by therealeman on Feb 21, 2012 10:13:32 GMT -8
Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality. And Kevin Young could leave at any time too ... but that seemed to ruffle a few feathers. If you actually believe what you just said ... I hope you weren't mad about Young leaving. Being "mad" at Young for leaving is selfish. The kid did what he felt was right for him. I'm not going to reopen that wond, however. Teams need to do what's best for them as well, including us. In Fisher I Trust, but even he knows, if you want to start playing hardball with the big boys from here on out, then tough decisions will have to be made. Releasing Alec over Pelle or January is a nobrainer to me. Coach Fish may have more compassion, but we'll see. The little league mentality where everyone wins no longer applies to SDSU bball. We have moved up a deviation in the caliber of players we can attract, so let's act like it.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 10:20:34 GMT -8
I do not want us to be that team. We have a hell of team, we don't need to run people off. Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality. I hate this response. When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out"
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Post by kingmiles on Feb 21, 2012 10:31:06 GMT -8
I don't think there will be anyone leaving I could see LB going to play some where else but AW will sit on the bench.
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Post by patentagent on Feb 21, 2012 10:31:17 GMT -8
you're right we CAN do that. and future recruits and parents CAN decide they dont trust our staff and CAN take their talents elsewhere. Future recruits and parents would be mistaken if they were to believe the scholarship extends for four years. Like many things in life, it is contingent on performance. As sad as life mad be, that is how it works. Aztecs didn't promise Shelly he could stay for four years. However, Aztecs did promise the University that they'd build the best program they could by recruiting the best players possible - with scholarships which extend 1 year - not 4 years. If Shelly is disappointed, then he is disappointed with himself, not Fisher. It isn't a slight when you get cut. It is not dirty low-down business, it is just the way the system is set up. Why do you think we are selling people out if we cut them? Why do you think AW is guaranteed a spot on the team all 4 years? Kawhi Leonard didn't think he owed SDSU four years, and SDSU didn't owe him either. That is just the way it works. Where is it implied or written that these guys are signing up for a four year deal? Four years is for a degree. They are permitted to continue there degree. They don't get kicked out of school. They get cut from the team. This notion that there basketball deal lasts until they finish a degree is stupid. They get a spot on the team - as long as the team benefits from them being there. If January wants to come, then someone's got to go. That is not dirty business - that is how it works.
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Post by patentagent on Feb 21, 2012 10:36:16 GMT -8
When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" You are wrong. Fish does not tell families they get a four year deal. Fish tells them the scholarship is renewable each year for four years contingent on performance. Everyone knows this. It is not some dirty secret. When did we convert to communism?
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 10:48:29 GMT -8
When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" You are wrong. Fish does not tell families they get a four year deal. Fish tells them the scholarship is renewable each year for four years contingent on performance. Everyone knows this. It is not some dirty secret. When did we convert to communism? You are wrong if you think any coach tells them this. They dont. They sell the dream. You think they told Winston Shepard that??? Especially after he was worried about having to xfer out having to make a decision. Hell no! You dont know the game if you believe that.
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Post by halfnip on Feb 21, 2012 10:51:09 GMT -8
When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" You are wrong. Fish does not tell families they get a four year deal. Fish tells them the scholarship is renewable each year for four years contingent on performance. Everyone knows this. It is not some dirty secret. When did we convert to communism? And you know this how? That would be like me selling something that I know is going to break in a year---but when people do this, they're labeled as sleazy and a con. The true holds for recruiting as well. We all know damn well that there are no givens and if a more talented player comes along, things need to be re-evaluated, but what Fisher has brought to the program is exactly that--a PROGRAM. One built around trust. I cannot remember how many players that have come through have said the sole reason they came to SDSU was based on this trust. Fisher believes in his players and expects them to work through issues on their own--not constantly jumping on them or looking over their shoulder.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 11:09:09 GMT -8
You know how much they bring up getting a degree when they are recruiting? A ton! You think they say, " we want you to get a degree from sdsu, unless someone better is available, then you will need to xfer out"
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Post by azteclegacy on Feb 21, 2012 11:18:22 GMT -8
you're right we CAN do that. and future recruits and parents CAN decide they dont trust our staff and CAN take their talents elsewhere. Future recruits and parents would be mistaken if they were to believe the scholarship extends for four years. Like many things in life, it is contingent on performance. As sad as life mad be, that is how it works. Aztecs didn't promise Shelly he could stay for four years. However, Aztecs did promise the University that they'd build the best program they could by recruiting the best players possible - with scholarships which extend 1 year - not 4 years. If Shelly is disappointed, then he is disappointed with himself, not Fisher. It isn't a slight when you get cut. It is not dirty low-down business, it is just the way the system is set up. Why do you think we are selling people out if we cut them? Why do you think AW is guaranteed a spot on the team all 4 years? Kawhi Leonard didn't think he owed SDSU four years, and SDSU didn't owe him either. That is just the way it works. Where is it implied or written that these guys are signing up for a four year deal? Four years is for a degree. They are permitted to continue there degree. They don't get kicked out of school. They get cut from the team. This notion that there basketball deal lasts until they finish a degree is stupid. They get a spot on the team - as long as the team benefits from them being there. If January wants to come, then someone's got to go. That is not dirty business - that is how it works. I'll tell you one thing. Fisher didn't build this program by treating his players like this! There is a reason why the players and coaches talk about the team as a family. There is a reason why recruits talk about trusting our coaching staff. There is a reason why players talk about wanting to come to State to become better people on and off the court under Fisher. There is a reason why former players hang around the program and even join our coaching staff...and it's not because we've taken the AJ Smith, one year at a time attitude, with our guys. There are times when players are forced to move on (because of character issues) and there are times when both sides decide that the best thing for the player and university are to move in a different direction, but name for me one player that was alright with riding the bench that Fisher booted? I can't think of one. Guys have left because when Fisher told them how it was going to be they opted to play elsewhere and this is what I'm sure will be shared with Alec. But if he chooses to stay (which I think he will) he shouldn't get kicked to the curb and Fisher won't do it.
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Post by aztectruth on Feb 21, 2012 11:25:09 GMT -8
Future recruits and parents would be mistaken if they were to believe the scholarship extends for four years. Like many things in life, it is contingent on performance. As sad as life mad be, that is how it works. Aztecs didn't promise Shelly he could stay for four years. However, Aztecs did promise the University that they'd build the best program they could by recruiting the best players possible - with scholarships which extend 1 year - not 4 years. If Shelly is disappointed, then he is disappointed with himself, not Fisher. It isn't a slight when you get cut. It is not dirty low-down business, it is just the way the system is set up. Why do you think we are selling people out if we cut them? Why do you think AW is guaranteed a spot on the team all 4 years? Kawhi Leonard didn't think he owed SDSU four years, and SDSU didn't owe him either. That is just the way it works. Where is it implied or written that these guys are signing up for a four year deal? Four years is for a degree. They are permitted to continue there degree. They don't get kicked out of school. They get cut from the team. This notion that there basketball deal lasts until they finish a degree is stupid. They get a spot on the team - as long as the team benefits from them being there. If January wants to come, then someone's got to go. That is not dirty business - that is how it works. I'll tell you one thing. Fisher didn't build this program by treating his players like this! There is a reason why the players and coaches talk about the team as a family. There is a reason why recruits talk about trusting our coaching staff. There is a reason why players talk about wanting to come to State to become better people on and off the court under Fisher. There is a reason why former players hang around the program and even join our coaching staff...and it's not because we've taken the AJ Smith, one year at a time attitude, with our guys. There are times when players are forced to move on (because of character issues) and there are times when both sides decide that the best thing for the player and university are to move in a different direction, but name for me one player that was alright with riding the bench that Fisher booted? I can't think of one. Guys have left because when Fisher told them how it was going to be they opted to play elsewhere and this is what I'm sure will be shared with Alec. But if he chooses to stay (which I think he will) he shouldn't get kicked to the curb and Fisher won't do it. This.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 11:28:25 GMT -8
Future recruits and parents would be mistaken if they were to believe the scholarship extends for four years. Like many things in life, it is contingent on performance. As sad as life mad be, that is how it works. Aztecs didn't promise Shelly he could stay for four years. However, Aztecs did promise the University that they'd build the best program they could by recruiting the best players possible - with scholarships which extend 1 year - not 4 years. If Shelly is disappointed, then he is disappointed with himself, not Fisher. It isn't a slight when you get cut. It is not dirty low-down business, it is just the way the system is set up. Why do you think we are selling people out if we cut them? Why do you think AW is guaranteed a spot on the team all 4 years? Kawhi Leonard didn't think he owed SDSU four years, and SDSU didn't owe him either. That is just the way it works. Where is it implied or written that these guys are signing up for a four year deal? Four years is for a degree. They are permitted to continue there degree. They don't get kicked out of school. They get cut from the team. This notion that there basketball deal lasts until they finish a degree is stupid. They get a spot on the team - as long as the team benefits from them being there. If January wants to come, then someone's got to go. That is not dirty business - that is how it works. I'll tell you one thing. Fisher didn't build this program by treating his players like this! There is a reason why the players and coaches talk about the team as a family. There is a reason why recruits talk about trusting our coaching staff. There is a reason why players talk about wanting to come to State to become better people on and off the court under Fisher. There is a reason why former players hang around the program and even join our coaching staff...and it's not because we've taken the AJ Smith, one year at a time attitude, with our guys. There are times when players are forced to move on (because of character issues) and there are times when both sides decide that the best thing for the player and university are to move in a different direction, but name for me one player that was alright with riding the bench that Fisher booted? I can't think of one. Guys have left because when Fisher told them how it was going to be they opted to play elsewhere and this is what I'm sure will be shared with Alec. But if he chooses to stay (which I think he will) he shouldn't get kicked to the curb and Fisher won't do it. Post of the day!
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 21, 2012 11:45:57 GMT -8
Future recruits and parents would be mistaken if they were to believe the scholarship extends for four years. Like many things in life, it is contingent on performance. As sad as life mad be, that is how it works. Aztecs didn't promise Shelly he could stay for four years. However, Aztecs did promise the University that they'd build the best program they could by recruiting the best players possible - with scholarships which extend 1 year - not 4 years. If Shelly is disappointed, then he is disappointed with himself, not Fisher. It isn't a slight when you get cut. It is not dirty low-down business, it is just the way the system is set up. Why do you think we are selling people out if we cut them? Why do you think AW is guaranteed a spot on the team all 4 years? Kawhi Leonard didn't think he owed SDSU four years, and SDSU didn't owe him either. That is just the way it works. Where is it implied or written that these guys are signing up for a four year deal? Four years is for a degree. They are permitted to continue there degree. They don't get kicked out of school. They get cut from the team. This notion that there basketball deal lasts until they finish a degree is stupid. They get a spot on the team - as long as the team benefits from them being there. If January wants to come, then someone's got to go. That is not dirty business - that is how it works. I'll tell you one thing. Fisher didn't build this program by treating his players like this! There is a reason why the players and coaches talk about the team as a family. There is a reason why recruits talk about trusting our coaching staff. There is a reason why players talk about wanting to come to State to become better people on and off the court under Fisher. There is a reason why former players hang around the program and even join our coaching staff...and it's not because we've taken the AJ Smith, one year at a time attitude, with our guys. There are times when players are forced to move on (because of character issues) and there are times when both sides decide that the best thing for the player and university are to move in a different direction, but name for me one player that was alright with riding the bench that Fisher booted? I can't think of one. Guys have left because when Fisher told them how it was going to be they opted to play elsewhere and this is what I'm sure will be shared with Alec. But if he chooses to stay (which I think he will) he shouldn't get kicked to the curb and Fisher won't do it. Absolutely! Just depends what Alec's ambition is. Someone mentioned earlier that Alec and LBF are in a position to play ball overseas -- as college basketball players --, however. If that is either of those players' ambition, then it will be in their best interests to move to another program, even if it is for one year (for AW: its not unprecendented, although I can only recall ones after a coaching change) because they need to play. To respond to the people talking about the family theme in recruiting, every coach does that! Although many try and hold to that, it sometimes just doesn't work out. Or it could, and we could find ourselves with an Andre Drummond-like situation (if Pelle really wants to come here).
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Post by aztecpaulg on Feb 21, 2012 12:04:11 GMT -8
Why does everyone somehow think we are 'running people off'. AW can stay until May 2012. That is what his deal is. He doesn't have a 4 year deal. Nobody does. Why do you insist that it is somehow implied that a player gets to stay full time? We shouldn't feel bad about not renewing a scholarship. This is like a worker who quits producing but wants to continue drawing his salary for a lifetime. Do you guys belong to a union or what? When you no longer produce, you no longer get a salary. That is the deal. It is not sad to cut dead wood - it is good. Good for the wood, good for the team, good for everyone. It is reality. I hate this response. When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" Dirtball, according to someone close to Cole Huff, Coach Fisher told him scholarships are from a year to year basis. And that's why Huff decided to decommit. What is Fisher's duty with a kid like AW? He could keep him here and basically guarantee that his bball career ends or he could set AW up with a chance to showcase his talents for oversea teams. Allowing AW the best chance to make money playing bball, in my opinion, is Fisher doing the right thing in this situation.
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Post by mnolt08 on Feb 21, 2012 12:08:29 GMT -8
I hate this response. When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" Dirtball, according to someone close to Cole Huff, Coach Fisher told him scholarships are from a year to year basis. And that's why Huff decided to decommit. What is Fisher's duty with a kid like AW? He could keep him here and basically guarantee that his bball career ends or he could set AW up with a chance to showcase his talents for oversea teams. Allowing AW the best chance to make money playing bball, in my opinion, is Fisher doing the right thing in this situation. Alec Williams, getting PAID to play basketball? That sounds like the worst investment ever
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Post by aztecpaulg on Feb 21, 2012 12:12:39 GMT -8
One other question: why is helping someone into a position where they can actually play basketball & treating your kids like family mutually exclusive. It's possible to have the end result be AW/LBF ending up elsewhere without violating the word you gave their parents & the student athlete. If neither want to leave then, you might have to say "no" to Pelle or January or see if there are other ways. But, you have to bring the conversation up.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 12:13:25 GMT -8
I hate this response. When Fish or Bland go to these kids home, they dont mention this sh*t. They sell a dream of staying four years and getting a degree. They dont tell the kid and their family "you know scholarships are on a year to year basis, so if other kids come along we will push you out" Dirtball, according to someone close to Cole Huff, Coach Fisher told him scholarships are from a year to year basis. And that's why Huff decided to decommit. What is Fisher's duty with a kid like AW? He could keep him here and basically guarantee that his bball career ends or he could set AW up with a chance to showcase his talents for oversea teams. Allowing AW the best chance to make money playing bball, in my opinion, is Fisher doing the right thing in this situation. Fisher explained that to him after he overrecruited the position. But when they wanted his commitment in the first place, they talk about family, about 4 year degrees exc. All coaches do it. To ask this kid to leave his senior year, after hes been the good soldier, is disrespectful to the kid and family. What if the kid values his degree from SDSU. We alyways brag about SDSU acedemics.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 21, 2012 12:14:33 GMT -8
One other question: why is helping someone into a position where they can actually play basketball & treating your kids like family mutually exclusive. It's possible to have the end result be AW/LBF ending up elsewhere without violating the word you gave their parents & the student athlete. If neither want to leave then, you might have to say "no" to Pelle or January or see if there are other ways. But, you have to bring the conversation up. This is disengenious. Nobody is doing it for AW. They are doing it because they want January or Pelle.
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