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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 10:55:20 GMT -8
Brandon Randolph, Mark Rodgers, and Roschon Prince are all very high on SDSU. Not sure of the Hamiltons. I know Dakarai really like the Aztecs as well, according to a conversation I had with his dad at the TP tournament. He is best firiends with Malik Thames, and knows X and Tapley very well also.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 10:59:25 GMT -8
I forgot about Manroop, I agree. Manroop would create havoc running around like he does and shooting the 3. That would open it up down low for the bigs as well. Put Manroop in Allens spot and if it came down to it, I would rather have Bell over Prince. Bell is a shot blocking machine. The class of 2013 really needs a good point guard because that pg can watch and learn for a year before he takes over for Thames. Shepard will most likely be gone after two years like Leonard was.
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Post by ciabounce on Feb 17, 2012 11:08:39 GMT -8
Dakarai's a 2 guard, Roschon's a 3. We will definitely take a PG for next year it would be nice if he was a good shooter, because Dakarai and Roschon who we have a great shot at are not, they are great attacking the rim (especially roschon), and Dakarai's an amazing athlete and defender. As for Hart I would be surprised if he didn't end up at NC State or Georgetown, he loves Georgetown but if they slow play him NC State has a good shot.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Feb 17, 2012 11:10:53 GMT -8
It's crazy that next season we could have ANOTHER great recruiting class and really only lose our top SG (Tapley) and top bench guy (Rahon) as far as impact players. I think Stephans and Willams will get limited minutes (especially once Johnson starts playing).
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Post by ciabounce on Feb 17, 2012 11:15:58 GMT -8
It's crazy that next season we could have ANOTHER great recruiting class and really only lose our top SG (Tapley) and top bench guy (Rahon) as far as impact players. I think Stephans and Willams will get limited minutes (especially once Johnson starts playing). I don't think Rahon will be our top bench guy next year.
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 11:18:31 GMT -8
It's crazy that next season we could have ANOTHER great recruiting class and really only lose our top SG (Tapley) and top bench guy (Rahon) as far as impact players. I think Stephans and Willams will get limited minutes (especially once Johnson starts playing). Stephens will get minutes next year, even with the log jam/question marks at the 4/5. He's learning post moves and could be a sufficient athletic back-to-the-basket player for us (and he's shown flashes of a sufficient mid-range game). Because Johnson definitely is not a back-to-the-basket player for us, and I know this for a fact having seen him in high school at Elsinore and here at UVA. Williams, on the other hand, will get 0 minutes next year. If he can't get them this year, he's not getting any next year. And that's why some are arguing-- including myself (I'm probably leading the charge)-- that if he's close to graduating, perhaps he's expendable for a player like Pelle.
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 11:20:09 GMT -8
I forgot about Manroop, I agree. Manroop would create havoc running around like he does and shooting the 3. That would open it up down low for the bigs as well. Put Manroop in Allens spot and if it came down to it, I would rather have Bell over Prince. Bell is a shot blocking machine. The class of 2013 really needs a good point guard because that pg can watch and learn for a year before he takes over for Thames. Shepard will most likely be gone after two years like Leonard was. If we could snag Manroop, that'd be quite fun seeing him be our Jimmer.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Feb 17, 2012 11:28:50 GMT -8
We will need a least one top flight point guard in the next two classes. I know Shepard can play the 1 too, but he may not be around for long before heading to the NBA.
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Post by coolethan on Feb 17, 2012 12:39:16 GMT -8
I like Manroop too but having Shrigley only 1 year ahead of him probably hurts our chances. They're both off guards & Shrigley's a better player IMHO.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 17, 2012 12:51:14 GMT -8
It's crazy that next season we could have ANOTHER great recruiting class and really only lose our top SG (Tapley) and top bench guy (Rahon) as far as impact players. I think Stephans and Willams will get limited minutes (especially once Johnson starts playing). Stephens will get minutes next year, even with the log jam/question marks at the 4/5. He's learning post moves and could be a sufficient athletic back-to-the-basket player for us (and he's shown flashes of a sufficient mid-range game). Because Johnson definitely is not a back-to-the-basket player for us, and I know this for a fact having seen him in high school at Elsinore and here at UVA. Williams, on the other hand, will get 0 minutes next year. If he can't get them this year, he's not getting any next year. And that's why some are arguing-- including myself (I'm probably leading the charge)-- that if he's close to graduating, perhaps he's expendable for a player like Pelle. Stop promoting pushing players off the team.
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Post by azteccc on Feb 17, 2012 13:17:46 GMT -8
I forgot about Manroop, I agree. Manroop would create havoc running around like he does and shooting the 3. That would open it up down low for the bigs as well. Put Manroop in Allens spot and if it came down to it, I would rather have Bell over Prince. Bell is a shot blocking machine. The class of 2013 really needs a good point guard because that pg can watch and learn for a year before he takes over for Thames. Shepard will most likely be gone after two years like Leonard was. If we could snag Manroop, that'd be quite fun seeing him be our Jimmer. please don't say such things. i dislike him already.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Feb 17, 2012 13:44:33 GMT -8
Stephens will get minutes next year, even with the log jam/question marks at the 4/5. He's learning post moves and could be a sufficient athletic back-to-the-basket player for us (and he's shown flashes of a sufficient mid-range game). Because Johnson definitely is not a back-to-the-basket player for us, and I know this for a fact having seen him in high school at Elsinore and here at UVA. Williams, on the other hand, will get 0 minutes next year. If he can't get them this year, he's not getting any next year. And that's why some are arguing-- including myself (I'm probably leading the charge)-- that if he's close to graduating, perhaps he's expendable for a player like Pelle. Stop promoting pushing players off the team. Seriously. If they choose to leave for more playing time then that's their decision. Our program shouldn't be forcing players out because a better option may be available. --Sent from my HTC Evo--
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 14:01:12 GMT -8
Stephens will get minutes next year, even with the log jam/question marks at the 4/5. He's learning post moves and could be a sufficient athletic back-to-the-basket player for us (and he's shown flashes of a sufficient mid-range game). Because Johnson definitely is not a back-to-the-basket player for us, and I know this for a fact having seen him in high school at Elsinore and here at UVA. Williams, on the other hand, will get 0 minutes next year. If he can't get them this year, he's not getting any next year. And that's why some are arguing-- including myself (I'm probably leading the charge)-- that if he's close to graduating, perhaps he's expendable for a player like Pelle. Stop promoting pushing players off the team. So we're not a big-time D1 program? Because otherwise, this is reality. Coaches, even if they don't want to hold the reputation and perception of kicking players off teams, will "encourage" players to leave. It happened with Shelley, although that was mutual in a sense, and there are other cases (one that pops out is Jon Pastorek) AW's simply not good enough to get minutes on next year's team; and at the end of the season, that's a discussion AW and Fisher will have. If Pelle wants to come here, making a spot open for him seriously has to be considered. So no, I don't care if I'm promoting pushing players off the team. This is D1 athletics. Heck, I'm not an athlete but I'm on honors scholarships at an elite university, and if I don't perform, my benefactors don't just let me keep going. The same standard should be held for our players, in a rational sense (So the whole "he's a college student" argument need not apply)
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 14:01:52 GMT -8
If we could snag Manroop, that'd be quite fun seeing him be our Jimmer. please don't say such things. i dislike him already. Fine. He can really shoot the ball.
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 14:05:37 GMT -8
Stop promoting pushing players off the team. Seriously. If they choose to leave for more playing time then that's their decision. Our program shouldn't be forcing players out because a better option may be available. --Sent from my HTC Evo-- It's not unprecedented. And again, I'm only "pushing" this is the tradeoff is getting Pelle. He's a special special talent (and hopefully his head is cleared and he plays with passion to match his talent), and a type of player that completes next year's team. You want to boost our national championship chances? Then you'd rather have Pelle on the team than AW. No offense.
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Post by jcljorgenson on Feb 17, 2012 14:34:55 GMT -8
Why is it okay to kick tyron Shelley off the team but not Williams who can't play worth a lick Shelley was not kicked off the team, he voluntarily left. Fisher was always willing to keep a scholarship for him. That goes the same for a variety of other guys, such as Bryce Smith, Jon Pastorek, Jer'Vaugh Johnson, Tim Island, etc. At some point they look at their talent relative to the teammates and need to decide if their future is better elsewhere.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 17, 2012 14:52:27 GMT -8
Fisher is not going to ask Williams to leave.
This is not the same case as Shelley.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 14:54:18 GMT -8
The Aztecs are a family...and we're all a part of it...you don't kick out family members because they're not contributing as much as others.
AW brings intangibles that we may know nothing about (like helping to run the opposing team sets in practice).
Sure...his game may not be that of others...but Coach Fisher must have seen something in him or he wouldn't have been recruited in the first place.
Like it or not...he's family...our family...an Aztec Warrior...an Aztec for life...
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Post by heyimallenk on Feb 17, 2012 14:58:57 GMT -8
The Aztecs are a family...and we're all a part of it...you don't kick out family members because they're not contributing as much as others. AW brings intangibles that we may know nothing about (like helping to run the opposing team sets in practice). Sure...his game may not be that of others...but Coach Fisher must have seen something in him or he wouldn't have been recruited in the first place. Like it or not...he's family...our family...an Aztec Warrior...an Aztec for life... He's family, yes, but if he's going to be four years into the program and on-scholarship and can claim that his greatest contribution to the team was running the scout team (assuming he doesn't see the floor next year), then eat my hat, the ROI is quite poor.
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Post by dirtball on Feb 17, 2012 15:46:10 GMT -8
What you're not realizing is we need players that will accept limited or zero minutes. Fisher is going to go 12 deep next year. So two players are going to have limited playing time no matter what.
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