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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 14:11:25 GMT -8
Not calling anybody out so I won't say who, but this is how an Aztec picked the 2009 MWC race on the conference board:
1. TCU
2. Utah
3. BYU
4. Wyoming
5. CSU
6. AFA
7. SDSU
8. UNLV
9. UNM
I'm curious how many others think we're going to finish in seventh place once again.
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Post by mattpohl on Jul 16, 2010 14:39:10 GMT -8
Not me. Hang in there, Matt
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Post by aztec619 on Jul 16, 2010 14:44:17 GMT -8
Not me. Hang in there, Matt Me either. I say 4th or 5th but not 7th. I believe that in the second year of coach Hoke, coach Borges, and for sure coach Long we will not finish that low. |
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Post by aztecjake on Jul 16, 2010 14:45:44 GMT -8
SGF, my hopes, of course, is to win twelve games this season. Comparing talent to the other teams on the schedule, I firmly believe we can win eight. As reality sets in, I believe we win six or seven games this year. That should place us around fifth in conference.
I'm sorry, but my mind continues to drift back to the Wyoming game. How was that game lost, and who was calling the defensive plays in the fourth quarter? What was the problem where we were not able to adjust to the Poke's offense? If there are games where we are not able to maintain sizable leads into the fourth quarter, then seventh in conference seems about right.
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Post by Fred Noonan on Jul 16, 2010 14:49:55 GMT -8
I don't think I'm going there either, but I don't see the picks as "outlandish" except having Air Force lower than CSU. Wyo. is just not an automatic for us by any stretch of the imagination--we lost at home in a very ugly fashion and we hardly ever win in Laramie. Losing to CSU is not a stretch either, we've shown the capacity to do it in the past when we shouldnt. As for Air Force, I have them ahead of us and in the 4th. slot and do not see us beating them this year. So, don't know that this guy is off the wall in his/her predictions. Oh, I should probably answer the question. I probably won't pick us 7th, but: Call me after Fall practice. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation.  |
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Post by boblowe on Jul 16, 2010 14:59:47 GMT -8
4th--maybe even 3rd--is doable Not calling anybody out so I won't say who, but this is how an Aztec picked the 2009 MWC race on the conference board: 1. TCU 2. Utah 3. BYU 4. Wyoming 5. CSU 6. AFA 7. SDSU 8. UNLV 9. UNM I'm curious how many others think we're going to finish in seventh place once again. |
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 16, 2010 15:06:05 GMT -8
I don't think I'm going there either, but I don't see the picks as "outlandish" except having Air Force lower than CSU. Wyo. is just not an automatic for us by any stretch of the imagination--we lost at home in a very ugly fashion and we hardly ever win in Laramie. Losing to CSU is not a stretch either, we've shown the capacity to do it in the past when we shouldnt. As for Air Force, I have them ahead of us and in the 4th. slot and do not see us beating them this year. So, don't know that this guy is off the wall in his/her predictions. Oh, I should probably answer the question. I probably won't pick us 7th, but: Call me after Fall practice. The Fred Noonan School of Navigation. Air Force at home....we can beat them. |
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Post by aztecalumn on Jul 16, 2010 15:07:06 GMT -8
The wyomming game was last year. The past is no indicator of the future. those melt downs last year will not happen again. TRUST me. they wont happen. SGF, my hopes, of course, is to win twelve games this season. Comparing talent to the other teams on the schedule, I firmly believe we can win eight. As reality sets in, I believe we win six or seven games this year. That should place us around fifth in conference. I'm sorry, but my mind continues to drift back to the Wyoming game. How was that game lost, and who was calling the defensive plays in the fourth quarter? What was the problem where we were not able to adjust to the Poke's offense? If there are games where we are not able to maintain sizable leads into the fourth quarter, then seventh in conference seems about right. |
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Post by davdesid on Jul 16, 2010 15:13:24 GMT -8
Middle of the pack.
7th is not outrageously out of the question, but neither is 3rd. Lots of things can make things go one way or the other as the season progresses.
So, 5th is a safe prediction, especially considering the years of underperforming (see Wyoming last season).
JMHO, based on history. Would love to see a breakout, but just too jaded after all these disappointing seasons to expect it right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 15:15:37 GMT -8
SGF, my hopes, of course, is to win twelve games this season. Comparing talent to the other teams on the schedule, I firmly believe we can win eight. As reality sets in, I believe we win six or seven games this year. That should place us around fifth in conference. I'm sorry, but my mind continues to drift back to the Wyoming game. How was that game lost, and who was calling the defensive plays in the fourth quarter? What was the problem where we were not able to adjust to the Poke's offense? If there are games where we are not able to maintain sizable leads into the fourth quarter, then seventh in conference seems about right. The Wyoming game certainly gave me pause too. Without belaboring it, as I sat there watching our defense being obviously winded by their no-huddle, I kept wondering when our coaching staff was going to use one of the two remaining timeouts we had. However, they weren't used until we got the ball back and were trailing. However, that was just one game and to think we will finish seventh is to ignore among other things that we have 16 starters returning whereas CSU has just 11 and to ignore that we have beaten CSU four of the last five, the only loss being by four points two years ago the week after 70-7 when our players were obviously demoralized. To put it another way, I see no logical reason to think we won't finish above at least UNM (1-11 a year ago), UNLV (new staff with entirely new schemes) and CSU (not only couldn't beat us a year ago, couldn't beat anybody else in the conference, either). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 15:17:25 GMT -8
Middle of the pack. 7th is not outrageously out of the question, but neither is 3rd. Unfortunately, I can't share your optimism about third. I just think the personnel that TCU, BYU and Utah have is so markedly superior to ours that there's no reasonable way for us to finish ahead of any of them. |
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Post by untitled on Jul 16, 2010 15:29:37 GMT -8
4th--maybe even 3rd--is doable Whatever you are smoking is probably illegal. I see it as doable 2 years from now if we finally have a .500 season this year. I never thought the destination of .500, or average, would look as inviting as the Ritz Carlton- until I attended SDSU. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2010 15:37:25 GMT -8
He also said he sees improvement from last year- when we finished 7th. I put us 5th Not calling anybody out so I won't say who, but this is how an Aztec picked the 2009 MWC race on the conference board: 1. TCU 2. Utah 3. BYU 4. Wyoming 5. CSU 6. AFA 7. SDSU 8. UNLV 9. UNM I'm curious how many others think we're going to finish in seventh place once again. |
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jul 16, 2010 16:14:56 GMT -8
Not calling anybody out so I won't say who, but this is how an Aztec picked the 2009 MWC race on the conference board: 1. TCU 2. Utah 3. BYU 4. Wyoming 5. CSU 6. AFA 7. SDSU 8. UNLV 9. UNM I'm curious how many others think we're going to finish in seventh place once again. Perhaps the Aztec who posted his prediction didn't want to get caught up in the "hype" of our program being the surprise team this year. He wanted to feel elation when SDSU finishes in 3rd, 4th or 5th place instead of another disappointment. OTOH, I hope Utah finishes no higher than 5th. |
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Post by sdsu1975 on Jul 16, 2010 16:15:49 GMT -8
I think we'll finish 4th or 5th. Slowly, but surely, our overall talent level is improving. I think our strength and conditioning coach will make a difference. I've been a fan of Aztec football since the 60's (went there '71-'75). I think this is the best overall coaching staff we've ever had. I don't think we've ever recruited Southern California as well as we're doing it now. I think we're really going to see some great recruits committing. If we continue to recruit the Hell out of Southern California, I think we'll become a top program.
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Post by aztech on Jul 16, 2010 16:21:21 GMT -8
The wyomming game was last year. The past is no indicator of the future. those melt downs last year will not happen again. TRUST me. they won't happen. Were the same defensive starters in the UNLV game as well? As to the Wyoming and UNLV meltdowns I recall Hoke complaining that some guys didn't take chances, whatever the hell that means. If that's the way we're supposed to halt meltdowns, then we may continue to have them. Chances have odds of 50 - 50 in my estimation. |
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Post by monty on Jul 16, 2010 16:49:38 GMT -8
I just don't know what to expect.
Concerns:
We don't know how to win and have shown an ability to fall apart when things don't go our way
We don't create a lot of turnovers which to me isn't some luck quotient like Phil Steele believes, it is a sign of a lack of athleticism and either of the positions that directly lead to turnovers: pressure off the edge and secondary coverage skills - we don't hit QBs with our ends/outside linebackers, and our secondary was the worst unit on the field in my opinion
We have no semblance of a running game
We have upcoming talent at linebacker, but we are replacing two wily veterans that were the best players on Defense
We have a QB that has had some major brain farts - I was most worried about the way he came out to start some games and the fumbles
Now those are all tempered by:
new juco lineman that could/should(maybe better) make an impact and adding Hillman and the juco into the backfield - Sullivan full time at fullback/the other back in split backs
Some newer, younger players in the secondary; Preston's athleticism could make him a great fit at the monster back
More seasoning to the d-line and the juco player
DeMarco living up to expectations after Brown went down, Umolo's athleticism, Brown's chance to really dominate and another year of experience and leadership under the belt for Lindley
Place kicking can't get much worse and kickoffs will exponentially better then the (I think) 2 touchbacks all last year (that might be the 1st quarter against Nichols state)
Punting is becoming a weapon, plus overall better talent to run down kicks.
Some excitement, some big time concerns - who knows?
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 16, 2010 16:50:15 GMT -8
Middle of the MWC at the lowest.
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Post by dshawfan on Jul 16, 2010 16:53:39 GMT -8
The wyomming game was last year. The past is no indicator of the future. those melt downs last year will not happen again. TRUST me. they won't happen. Were the same defensive starters in the UNLV game as well? As to the Wyoming and UNLV meltdowns I recall Hoke complaining that some guys didn't take chances, whatever the hell that means. If that's the way we're supposed to halt meltdowns, then we may continue to have them. Chances have odds of 50 - 50 in my estimation. I had the chance to speak with him after the season about the Wyo game and he said our kids were just afraid to go make a play. Everyone was waiting for someone else to step up and make the play. Sort of got that "deer in the headlights" look as momentum began to build for Wyo. Hopefully, that was a learning experience and something we won't go through again this year. |
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Post by aztecalumn on Jul 16, 2010 16:59:44 GMT -8
The wyomming game was last year. The past is no indicator of the future. those melt downs last year will not happen again. TRUST me. they won't happen. Were the same defensive starters in the UNLV game as well? As to the Wyoming and UNLV meltdowns I recall Hoke complaining that some guys didn't take chances, whatever the hell that means. If that's the way we're supposed to halt meltdowns, then we may continue to have them. Chances have odds of 50 - 50 in my estimation. like i said..those meltdowns wont happen again. wellman has and will continue to make sure of that. |
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