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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:03:34 GMT -8
I heard it live on radio. Jim Rome Show. And I think I can probably find a link given time. Having Googled it, the only thing anywhere close to what you assert that I could find was this: articles.latimes.com/2000/jun/30/sports/sp-46449/2Outspoken? Yes. But nothing close to what you said. I looked around a little can't find it. I will keep searching. In the meantime, SGF are you saying that the guy who made statements in your link, could not make a statement like the one I said I heard him say? Are you that naive? |
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Post by Old School on Jul 17, 2010 15:18:17 GMT -8
7th place if you've given up hope on the Aztecs, yes.
If you still have hope, I'd say 4th.
Oldie Out
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Post by aztech on Jul 17, 2010 15:37:54 GMT -8
Of course you don't want to burst your bubble about Faulk, but a statement like that usually doesn't come out of thin air, especially about a beloved ex-player. I like the guy too, but I leaned toward it as being more than just a rumor. Fred probably wasn't singularly responsible, but his tirade certainly stirred up the boosters. As a result Weber too, whether he liked it or not. It got us a new coach with a quality staff. Your insistence on giving Long his 4th year is strictly on principle, not common sense. You can argue about it until the cows come home, but fortunately the majority ruled in our favor. Yes, we'll never know will we. Also we will never know if Chuck Long would have won 5 or 6 last year. I think he would have. Thankfully we won't have the chance to find out if we would have been the laughing stock of Div-1 after his 4th year. As an alum of this school nothing would have embarrassed me more. We were pretty close to that dubious honor with his Sign of the Apocalypse statement in SI that he made during his last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 15:39:21 GMT -8
I looked around a little can't find it. I will keep searching. In the meantime, SGF are you saying that the guy who made statements in your link, could not make a statement like the one I said I heard him say? Are you that naive? Could he? Maybe. Did he? Not to my knowledge. And Dryer sure wasn't the first white person to label Jessie Jackson a racist. I probably wouldn't go so far as to call Jessie a racist but I will say that he sure seems to think that any time a white person takes any negative action against an African American regardless of the circumstances that the only explanation for it is racism on the part of the white person. At least in that sense, it makes Jackson a moron in my book and makes me wonder how much involvement Jessie has actually had with white people to exude such an attitude.* Dryer, of course, has had significant dealings with blacks and I wonder what his former African American teammates would say about the guy. If they were to call him a loose cannon as you do, what they do so because they wonder whether he's a racist or simply because he's had the temerity to call out Jessie or, OMG!, actually criticize SDSU football! BTW, a black friend of mine thinks Jessie's motivation is that his profession is essentially to publicly jump to the defense of any African American who feels he's been slighted by a white person. I think there's something to that. After all, how much do you think Jessie would have in the bank if he had confined himself to simply being a preacher? |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:40:09 GMT -8
Fred Dryer was a great football player, but I don't always like him at the fore of the SDSU PR machine. Not sure whether this is related, BUT...one time about a year ago he was on Ello's show. Ello asked him one question and the guy talked for literally ten minutes non-stop. After the interview and the commercial break, Ello said, "All I have to say about that is 'wow.'" And Fred Dryer is one of my all time favorite football players. Of course an Aztec and then with my Los Angeles Rams. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:42:43 GMT -8
Yes, we'll never know will we. Also we will never know if Chuck Long would have won 5 or 6 last year. I think he would have. Thankfully we won't have the chance to find out if we would have been the laughing stock of Div-1 after his 4th year. As an alum of this school nothing would have embarrassed me more. We were pretty close to that dubious honor with his Sign of the Apocalypse statement in SI that he made during his last year. Sports games don't effect me like that Aztech, so I am unable to understand your feelings. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:43:29 GMT -8
I looked around a little can't find it. I will keep searching. In the meantime, SGF are you saying that the guy who made statements in your link, could not make a statement like the one I said I heard him say? Are you that naive? Could he? Maybe. Did he? Not to my knowledge. And Dryer sure wasn't the first white person to label Jessie Jackson a racist. I probably wouldn't go so far as to call Jessie a racist but I will say that he sure seems to think that any time a white person takes any negative action against an African American regardless of the circumstances that the only explanation for it is racism on the part of the white person. At least in that sense, it makes Jackson a moron in my book and makes me wonder how much involvement Jessie has actually had with white people to exude such an attitude.* Dryer, of course, has had significant dealings with blacks and I wonder what his former African American teammates would say about the guy. If they were to call him a loose cannon as you do, what they do so because they wonder whether he's a racist or simply because he's had the temerity to call out Jessie or, OMG!, actually criticize SDSU football! BTW, a black friend of mine thinks Jessie's motivation is that his profession is essentially to publicly jump to the defense of any African American who feels he's been slighted by a white person. I think there's something to that. After all, how much do you think Jessie would have in the bank if he had confined himself to simply being a preacher? Could he? Yes Did he? Yes....I told you I heard it live on the radio. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:44:45 GMT -8
I looked around a little can't find it. I will keep searching. In the meantime, SGF are you saying that the guy who made statements in your link, could not make a statement like the one I said I heard him say? Are you that naive? Could he? Maybe. Did he? Not to my knowledge. And Dryer sure wasn't the first white person to label Jessie Jackson a racist. I probably wouldn't go so far as to call Jessie a racist but I will say that he sure seems to think that any time a white person takes any negative action against an African American regardless of the circumstances that the only explanation for it is racism on the part of the white person. At least in that sense, it makes Jackson a moron in my book and makes me wonder how much involvement Jessie has actually had with white people to exude such an attitude.* Dryer, of course, has had significant dealings with blacks and I wonder what his former African American teammates would say about the guy. If they were to call him a loose cannon as you do, what they do so because they wonder whether he's a racist or simply because he's had the temerity to call out Jessie or, OMG!, actually criticize SDSU football! BTW, a black friend of mine thinks Jessie's motivation is that his profession is essentially to publicly jump to the defense of any African American who feels he's been slighted by a white person. I think there's something to that. After all, how much do you think Jessie would have in the bank if he had confined himself to simply being a preacher? Is Fred Dryer the type of guy you think Dr. Weber would want as a spokesman for San Diego State? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 15:46:14 GMT -8
Fred Dryer was a great football player, but I don't always like him at the fore of the SDSU PR machine. I agree that he shouldn't be but when has he ever been? Never to my knowledge or recollection. He simply shows up to the occasional game where his visage is displayed along one of the stands and also shows up occasionally when asked to participate in some event. Then certain other insiders criticize him for allegedly not giving money to the AAF. I have no idea of the accuracy of that accusation but even assuming it's true, if time is money, the amount of free time the guy gives to SDSU at what I'm sure is a considerable hourly fee if he were working sure can't be peanuts. $1,000/hour conservatively? |
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Post by aztech on Jul 17, 2010 15:47:18 GMT -8
Fred Dryer was a great football player, but I don't always like him at the fore of the SDSU PR machine. Not sure whether this is related, BUT...one time about a year ago he was on Ello's show. Ello asked him one question and the guy talked for literally ten minutes non-stop. After the interview and the commercial break, Ello said, "All I have to say about that is 'wow.'" Not to excuse the guy, but is he a drinker? My in-laws are and they ramble after a few, but are surprisingly abrupt when sober. |
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Post by monty on Jul 17, 2010 15:48:35 GMT -8
I looked around a little can't find it. I will keep searching. In the meantime, SGF are you saying that the guy who made statements in your link, could not make a statement like the one I said I heard him say? Are you that naive? Could he? Maybe. Did he? Not to my knowledge. And Dryer sure wasn't the first white person to label Jessie Jackson a racist. I probably wouldn't go so far as to call Jessie a racist but I will say that he sure seems to think that any time a white person takes any negative action against an African American regardless of the circumstances that the only explanation for it is racism on the part of the white person. At least in that sense, it makes Jackson a moron in my book and makes me wonder how much involvement Jessie has actually had with white people to exude such an attitude.* Dryer, of course, has had significant dealings with blacks and I wonder what his former African American teammates would say about the guy. If they were to call him a loose cannon as you do, what they do so because they wonder whether he's a racist or simply because he's had the temerity to call out Jessie or, OMG!, actually criticize SDSU football! BTW, a black friend of mine thinks Jessie's motivation is that his profession is essentially to publicly jump to the defense of any African American who feels he's been slighted by a white person. I think there's something to that. After all, how much do you think Jessie would have in the bank if he had confined himself to simply being a preacher? There are plenty of rumblings that Jesse raced from his room to that motel balcony to clutch, hold and smear MLK on himself -- remember, he was singled-out by name by MLK in the preamble of his last (and one of his best) speeches. It seems that Jesse could have been great, but choose a different path. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 15:48:49 GMT -8
Fred Dryer was a great football player, but I don't always like him at the fore of the SDSU PR machine. I agree that he shouldn't be but when has he ever been? Never to my knowledge or recollection. He simply shows up to the occasional game where his visage is displayed along one of the stands and also shows up occasionally when asked to participate in some event. Then certain other insiders criticize him for allegedly not giving money to the AAF. I have no idea of the accuracy of that accusation but even assuming it's true, if time is money, the amount of free time the guy gives to SDSU at what I'm sure is a considerable hourly fee if he were working sure can't be peanuts. $1,000/hour conservatively? Damn SGF....You just agreed with me in your first sentence to JYP.  |
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Post by azteken on Jul 17, 2010 15:58:40 GMT -8
BTW, I predict we go 3-5 in conference but don't become bowl eligible. Why? Because I think we are going to lose OOC not only at Missouri, who is going to blow us out if we don't put continual pressure on Blaine Gabbert, but also at home to Utah State. Andre thinks we choke the game away at NMSU because it's on the road. I'll say if we lose that one, the slap in the face will get us fired up for USU and we'll win that one. Whatever is the case, Andre and I agree we aren't going to win both of them, just one. Wow. What a loser attitude. You have such low expectations that you don't even think we can beat Utah State at home? No one knows what will happen, of course, but if you're coming into the season predicting 2-2 OOC with this schedule, you might as well just give up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 16:15:28 GMT -8
Damn SGF....You just agreed with me in your first sentence to JYP. You named two reasons why he shouldn't be allowed to speak for SDSU. 1. That he criticized Chuck Long at a Big 50 luncheon in November 2006. 2. That he purportedly called hotdogging by athletes a result of the ghettoization of sports. On the first point, you ignore the fact Dryer was highly prescient. On the second, you have failed to provide any link to confirm he ever said it and my own search revealed that the only criticism he seems to have ever made about any African American was the aforementioned one about Jesse Jackson. (Thanks for the spelling correction. The guy is such a nonentity to me that I wasn't even aware of the proper spelling.) Should Dryer be at the forefront in speaking for SDSU? No, JYP is correct that he shouldn't. However, that doesn't mean he should never be asked to speak for the school, nor does it mean many other famous Aztecs haven't said some really stupid things over the years too. Marshall's comment that he would have accepted money from rich boosters had it been offered is an example that comes immediately to mind. Similarly, Kyle Turley has said and done a few stupid things over the years. So has Herm Edwards IIRC. To put it more succinctly, Steve, he is no better or worse than the average SDSU great. More rambling in his commentary maybe, but substantively no more potentially embarrassing to the school than most of them not named Tony Gwynn, who might be a poor baseball coach but he comes across as much less inclined to put his foot in his mouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 16:16:44 GMT -8
BTW, I predict we go 3-5 in conference but don't become bowl eligible. Why? Because I think we are going to lose OOC not only at Missouri, who is going to blow us out if we don't put continual pressure on Blaine Gabbert, but also at home to Utah State. Andre thinks we choke the game away at NMSU because it's on the road. I'll say if we lose that one, the slap in the face will get us fired up for USU and we'll win that one. Whatever is the case, Andre and I agree we aren't going to win both of them, just one. Wow. What a loser attitude. You have such low expectations that you don't even think we can beat Utah State at home? No one knows what will happen, of course, but if you're coming into the season predicting 2-2 OOC with this schedule, you might as well just give up. Gee, Ken, coming from such a highly esteemed poster, that really hurts. |
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Post by steveaztec on Jul 17, 2010 16:30:52 GMT -8
Damn SGF....You just agreed with me in your first sentence to JYP. You named two reasons why he shouldn't be allowed to speak for SDSU. 1. That he criticized Chuck Long at a Big 50 luncheon in November 2006. 2. That he purportedly called hotdogging by athletes a result of the ghettoization of sports. On the first point, you ignore the fact Dryer was highly prescient. On the second, you have failed to provide any link to confirm he ever said it and my own search revealed that the only criticism he seems to have ever made about any African American was the aforementioned one about Jesse Jackson. (Thanks for the spelling correction. The guy is such a nonentity to me that I wasn't even aware of the proper spelling.) Should Dryer be at the forefront in speaking for SDSU? No, JYP is correct that he shouldn't. However, that doesn't mean he should never be asked to speak for the school, nor does it mean many other famous Aztecs haven't said some really stupid things over the years too. Marshall's comment that he would have accepted money from rich boosters had it been offered is an example that comes immediately to mind. Similarly, Kyle Turley has said and done a few stupid things over the years. So has Herm Edwards IIRC. To put it more succinctly, Steve, he is no better or worse than the average SDSU great. More rambling in his commentary maybe, but substantively no more potentially embarrassing to the school than most of them not named Tony Gwynn, who might be a poor baseball coach but he comes across as much less inclined to put his foot in his mouth. Lets remember how this conversation started....I said this... Fred Dryer? Yes, he wants the best for the University. But he's not a guy I want to be our spokesman and I will guarantee you Dr. Weber doesn't want to see it either. You came back with this... Yeah, Steve, like you know how Weber feels about Dryer.Then in the same thread you agree with me that Dryer would not be a good spokesman for San Diego State.....That is why I said I would guarantee you that Dr. Weber wouldn't want him to be a spokesman for us. How can you turn this into a argument/discussion when you agreed from the start. What is up with that? |
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Jul 17, 2010 19:33:48 GMT -8
Crap! To think I used to be interested in this thread.
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Post by azteken on Jul 17, 2010 20:25:54 GMT -8
Wow. What a loser attitude. You have such low expectations that you don't even think we can beat Utah State at home? No one knows what will happen, of course, but if you're coming into the season predicting 2-2 OOC with this schedule, you might as well just give up. Gee, Ken, coming from such a highly esteemed poster, that really hurts. You're usually a pretty intelligent poster. In fact, you started this thread, it seemed like you were against "bearish" Aztec fans (which you are either also bearish, or don't know what it means). HOWEVER, calling for a home loss to Utah State is just about the dumbest post since Phillip said there were more Stanford fans in San Diego than Aztec fans on the old board. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 18, 2010 6:58:29 GMT -8
OK, kids, let's play nice.
If this is all that's left of this thread I could just kill it...
(I know that this is largely the result of 11 years of underachieving -and occasionally bad- football, but let's not take it out on each other.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 9:46:04 GMT -8
OK, kids, let's play nice. If this is all that's left of this thread I could just kill it... (I know that this is largely the result of 11 years of underachieving -and occasionally bad- football, but let's not take it out on each other.) Erik, I admit that I got sucked in once again and my pissy response to Ken was the result at anger at myself for allowing it to occur. So being thereby embarrassed, I wish you would "just kill it." |
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