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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:33:22 GMT -8
There is one person defending Grisham. One. Take that for what you will. Most of us know what we saw with several games on the line when Grisham was at the plate and had runners in scoring position. Strike. Out. Multiple losses because Grisham couldn't even make contact. That makes him a WBR player. All of five people actually post here with any kind of regularity....so, yeah. I'll just refer you to the numbers. I'm not defending him, I'm defending the statistics. I prefer to avoid groupthink. It's lazy.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 11:35:36 GMT -8
You were wrong. It's okay. You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok. If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:39:36 GMT -8
You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok. If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be. Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Are you saying that Melvin will be gone after next year regardless of how the teams performs?
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:40:22 GMT -8
You're wrong about Grisham being even an average hitter and trying your best to justify it, just as you were wrong about Melvin being fired, and Flaherty taking over this year. It's ok. If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be. People think it's just random chance that Preller and Flaherty were visiting free agents last offseason? Or that Flaherty gets a promotion after Manny re-ups with the organization when Seidler went overboard? Connecting dots isn't all that hard.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 11:42:12 GMT -8
If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be. Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Are you saying that Melvin will be gone after next year regardless of how the teams performs? Of course he did. It's the only reason Melvin is still here, IMO.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:43:33 GMT -8
If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be. Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Seidler underwent a medical procedure weeks ago and has not been as involved in the daily process as he usually is, which is why one of his equity firm partners is now a part of the decision making process. He's also given Preller a ridiculous amount of autonomy to hire every previous manager, which is how Tingler was hired.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 11:44:51 GMT -8
If the decision were left up to Preller, Melvin would be gone, and Flaherty would be the manager. I believe Preller's decision was heavily influenced by Seidler and his sidekicks. I think this was the better choice. If Preller is still here after next season, Melvin won't be. Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Are you saying that Melvin will be gone after next year regardless of how the teams performs? If Preller is still here, Melvin won't be. If the Padres do step back up next season, I think Seidler will look at Preller with googly eyes, and will let Preller pick yet another manager.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 11:48:21 GMT -8
Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Are you saying that Melvin will be gone after next year regardless of how the teams performs? If Preller is still here, Melvin won't be. If the Padres do step back up next season, I think Seidler will look at Preller with googly eyes, and will let Preller pick yet another manager. It's highly probable that someone in the Seidler camp gave AJ an ultimatum to keep his job. Melvin isn't under contract beyond this year, John should actually know that.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:55:15 GMT -8
Seidler has a big say in that decision, and somebody would need to take that into consideration before saying that Melvins gone this year and Flaherty will be the Manager. Are you saying that Melvin will be gone after next year regardless of how the teams performs? If Preller is still here, Melvin won't be. If the Padres do step back up next season, I think Seidler will look at Preller with googly eyes, and will let Preller pick yet another manager. So, Melvin was brought back this year after a horrible season, but he won't come back after next year if the Padres do well, such as make the playoffs, etc? If he kept him THIS year and listened to his advisors, then I highly doubt he wouldn't keep him after having a successful next season. He chose both Melvin and Preller, but the easier thing to do would have been to let Melvin go. I don't think there's any way possible that Melvin wouldn't be brought back if they have a season like they should have next year.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 11:58:23 GMT -8
If Preller is still here, Melvin won't be. If the Padres do step back up next season, I think Seidler will look at Preller with googly eyes, and will let Preller pick yet another manager. It's highly probable that someone in the Seidler camp gave AJ an ultimatum to keep his job. Melvin isn't under contract beyond this year, John should actually know that. There you go assuming again. Actually, I do know that, and I don't think it will matter if they have a successful season next year. I would hope that they would bring him back. I'm hoping Preller was told to stop trying to Manage, as well, and stick to your duties. That's one of the ultimatums they gave Preller.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 12:03:43 GMT -8
If Preller is still here, Melvin won't be. If the Padres do step back up next season, I think Seidler will look at Preller with googly eyes, and will let Preller pick yet another manager. So, Melvin was brought back this year after a horrible season, but he won't come back after next year if the Padres do well, such as make the playoffs, etc? If he kept him THIS year and listened to his advisors, then I highly doubt he wouldn't keep him after having a successful next season. He chose both Melvin and Preller, but the easier thing to do would have been to let Melvin go. I don't think there's any way possible that Melvin wouldn't be brought back if they have a season like they should have next year. Preller doesn't want him, and Melvin's contract is up at the end of 2024. Melvin also might not want to sign a new contract with the Padres after next season, as he might just not want to have anything to do with Preller.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 5, 2023 12:19:26 GMT -8
So, Melvin was brought back this year after a horrible season, but he won't come back after next year if the Padres do well, such as make the playoffs, etc? If he kept him THIS year and listened to his advisors, then I highly doubt he wouldn't keep him after having a successful next season. He chose both Melvin and Preller, but the easier thing to do would have been to let Melvin go. I don't think there's any way possible that Melvin wouldn't be brought back if they have a season like they should have next year. Preller doesn't want him, and Melvin's contract is up at the end of 2024. Melvin also might not want to sign a new contract with the Padres after next season, as he might just not want to have anything to do with Preller. Yes, there's a lot of scenarios there that could happen. Melvin may leave on his own. Preller makes it sound as if a lot of it is overblown, but Melvin may not feel that way. Nobody really knows yet. Let's hope they have a great season next year, and it ends up with them having "good problems."
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 12:23:47 GMT -8
Robert Murray: "I'm not convinced Melvin returns."
"For weeks I heard the most likely scenario that Melvin would probably not return."
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -8
Robert Murray: "I'm not convinced Melvin returns." "For weeks I heard the most likely scenario that Melvin would probably not return." Who is Robert Murray?
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 12:42:36 GMT -8
Robert Murray: "I'm not convinced Melvin returns." "For weeks I heard the most likely scenario that Melvin would probably not return." Who is Robert Murray? MLB reporter. Used to be on the Brewers beat. www.youtube.com/live/fo6SwmpLxpA?si=wiVb54YxggflgjzYFast-forward to 26:45.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 12:49:25 GMT -8
The GM of the Mets just resigned.
Was a candidate here previously.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 12:55:34 GMT -8
We shall see.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 5, 2023 20:30:41 GMT -8
Profar had a bad season in Colorado. He has a decent arm. Good clubhouse guy who could be our utility and glue guy. Azocar and Grish are comparable. Azocar also has not received the benefit of consistent playing time like Grish. You are saying that Azocar has no power, and I'm saying that Grish has no batting average. OPS wise if they had equal playing time I bet they are both around .700. Kim is a great option in center if Cronenworth goes back to second, his natural position. His arm is average, at best. It's accurate. It would be by far the worst of the three and you want him to play the position where the strongest arm is required. It's just a bad idea. He had a bad season in Colorado. Yes. Very bad. I'm all for the vibes, but he's not under contract and they already let him go once, where he massively misunderstood his market value and ended up barely being signed at all. He's not a starting player, he's a bench piece. Azocar and Grisham are comparable? On what planet? Grisham is the better defender and the better offensive player. Azocar is a defensive replacement and occasional stolen base threat. How are they both going to have an OPS around .700 when Azocar doesn't walk and has no power? Cronenworth is going to be shopped and hopefully dealt for pitching. Azocar has had all of 200 at bats last year and 100 this year. But yeah you're right, they aren't comparable - Grish is better. Shopping Cronenworth, idk about that - his value is so low right now, why trade low? Buy low, sell high. Plus his contract is affordable. Trade Soto, get the cap room to resign Wacha/Snell and get a 3 WAR player in return with 3-4 years of team control. Maybe pitching, maybe a first basemen, maybe a corner outfielder.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 5, 2023 20:46:13 GMT -8
His arm is average, at best. It's accurate. It would be by far the worst of the three and you want him to play the position where the strongest arm is required. It's just a bad idea. He had a bad season in Colorado. Yes. Very bad. I'm all for the vibes, but he's not under contract and they already let him go once, where he massively misunderstood his market value and ended up barely being signed at all. He's not a starting player, he's a bench piece. Azocar and Grisham are comparable? On what planet? Grisham is the better defender and the better offensive player. Azocar is a defensive replacement and occasional stolen base threat. How are they both going to have an OPS around .700 when Azocar doesn't walk and has no power? Cronenworth is going to be shopped and hopefully dealt for pitching. Azocar has had all of 200 at bats last year and 100 this year. But yeah you're right, they aren't comparable - Grish is better. Shopping Cronenworth, idk about that - his value is so low right now, why trade low? Buy low, sell high. Plus his contract is affordable. Trade Soto, get the cap room to resign Wacha/Snell and get a 3 WAR player in return with 3-4 years of team control. Maybe pitching, maybe a first basemen, maybe a corner outfielder. Jose is a great story, don't get me wrong. But he's just a career journeyman type guy. I hope (and think) the Padres want to give opportunities to the contingent they promoted to San Antonio - Both Pauley and Marsee are having great AFL runs right now. I think you can still move and market Cronenworth as a middle infielder, the contract really isn't that bad for a second baseman type. But I think you just have to move on, open up a spot for Merrill and get younger.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 5, 2023 20:53:16 GMT -8
His arm is average, at best. It's accurate. It would be by far the worst of the three and you want him to play the position where the strongest arm is required. It's just a bad idea. He had a bad season in Colorado. Yes. Very bad. I'm all for the vibes, but he's not under contract and they already let him go once, where he massively misunderstood his market value and ended up barely being signed at all. He's not a starting player, he's a bench piece. Azocar and Grisham are comparable? On what planet? Grisham is the better defender and the better offensive player. Azocar is a defensive replacement and occasional stolen base threat. How are they both going to have an OPS around .700 when Azocar doesn't walk and has no power? Cronenworth is going to be shopped and hopefully dealt for pitching. Azocar has had all of 200 at bats last year and 100 this year. But yeah you're right, they aren't comparable - Grish is better. Shopping Cronenworth, idk about that - his value is so low right now, why trade low? Buy low, sell high. Plus his contract is affordable. Trade Soto, get the cap room to resign Wacha/Snell and get a 3 WAR player in return with 3-4 years of team control. Maybe pitching, maybe a first basemen, maybe a corner outfielder. Would love to keep Snell. Don't see it happening.
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