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Post by sdsuball on Oct 5, 2023 21:08:06 GMT -8
Azocar has had all of 200 at bats last year and 100 this year. But yeah you're right, they aren't comparable - Grish is better. Shopping Cronenworth, idk about that - his value is so low right now, why trade low? Buy low, sell high. Plus his contract is affordable. Trade Soto, get the cap room to resign Wacha/Snell and get a 3 WAR player in return with 3-4 years of team control. Maybe pitching, maybe a first basemen, maybe a corner outfielder. Jose is a great story, don't get me wrong. But he's just a career journeyman type guy. I hope (and think) the Padres want to give opportunities to the contingent they promoted to San Antonio - Both Pauley and Marsee are having great AFL runs right now. I think you can still move and market Cronenworth as a middle infielder, the contract really isn't that bad for a second baseman type. But I think you just have to move on, open up a spot for Merrill and get younger. Cronenworth is a good deal from a WAR perspective, assuming that he can at least be worth 3 WAR per year over the life of the contract. Which is why I don't like trading him. Long term he can lock down second base, long term Bogaerts has shortstop. Go get a top 10 corner outfielder/first base type prospect. James Wood... er oh wait, we already traded him to the Nats. Let Merrill split time with Grisham in center once he's ready to be called up. Merrill can go back to short if Bogaerts can't play short in a few years. Grisham can be traded, or be used as the 4th outfielder, once Merrill's bat is there to where he can be an everyday player for us (likely not until 2025).
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 8:36:28 GMT -8
Jose is a great story, don't get me wrong. But he's just a career journeyman type guy. I hope (and think) the Padres want to give opportunities to the contingent they promoted to San Antonio - Both Pauley and Marsee are having great AFL runs right now. I think you can still move and market Cronenworth as a middle infielder, the contract really isn't that bad for a second baseman type. But I think you just have to move on, open up a spot for Merrill and get younger. Cronenworth is a good deal from a WAR perspective, assuming that he can at least be worth 3 WAR per year over the life of the contract. Which is why I don't like trading him. Long term he can lock down second base, long term Bogaerts has shortstop. Go get a top 10 corner outfielder/first base type prospect. James Wood... er oh wait, we already traded him to the Nats. Let Merrill split time with Grisham in center once he's ready to be called up. Merrill can go back to short if Bogaerts can't play short in a few years. Grisham can be traded, or be used as the 4th outfielder, once Merrill's bat is there to where he can be an everyday player for us (likely not until 2025). I'd much rather have Kim than Cronenworth in that scenario.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 8:38:19 GMT -8
A decent raise is kinda overstating things, I'd expect him to land in the normal arbitration bump between year one and two. And IMO, that normal arbitration bump could easily be considered a decent raise. His arbitration projection was just released; $4.9M. I would expect something closer to S4M when all is said and done.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 6, 2023 9:35:15 GMT -8
And IMO, that normal arbitration bump could easily be considered a decent raise. His arbitration projection was just released; $4.9M. I would expect something closer to S4M when all is said and done. Wow. I figured 5 million would have been the number. I hope the Pads can get it to 4 million. Every little bit helps.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 9:38:00 GMT -8
His arbitration projection was just released; $4.9M. I would expect something closer to S4M when all is said and done. Wow. I figured 5 million would have been the number. I hope the Pads can get it to 4 million. Every little bit helps. Soto - $33M. Barlow - $7.1M Hill - $2.4M Nola - $2.35M Morejon - $900K
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 6, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -8
Cronenworth is a good deal from a WAR perspective, assuming that he can at least be worth 3 WAR per year over the life of the contract. Which is why I don't like trading him. Long term he can lock down second base, long term Bogaerts has shortstop. Go get a top 10 corner outfielder/first base type prospect. James Wood... er oh wait, we already traded him to the Nats. Let Merrill split time with Grisham in center once he's ready to be called up. Merrill can go back to short if Bogaerts can't play short in a few years. Grisham can be traded, or be used as the 4th outfielder, once Merrill's bat is there to where he can be an everyday player for us (likely not until 2025). I'd much rather have Kim than Cronenworth in that scenario. Well yes obviously - asuming that we have the money to resign him. I'm just saying that Cronenworth's contract is cheap on a per WAR basis, cheaper than Kim's will be in FA.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 10:12:39 GMT -8
I'd much rather have Kim than Cronenworth in that scenario. Well yes obviously - asuming that we have the money to resign him. I'm just saying that Cronenworth's contract is cheap on a per WAR basis, cheaper than Kim's will be in FA. Which makes it easier to move. Don't make the same mistake twice.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 6, 2023 11:10:27 GMT -8
Wow. I figured 5 million would have been the number. I hope the Pads can get it to 4 million. Every little bit helps. Soto - $33M. Barlow - $7.1M Hill - $2.4M Nola - $2.35M Morejon - $900K Yeah, I saw those earlier. Preller is going to have to be pretty creative.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 11:17:48 GMT -8
Soto - $33M. Barlow - $7.1M Hill - $2.4M Nola - $2.35M Morejon - $900K Yeah, I saw those earlier. Preller is going to have to be pretty creative. I don't believe the payroll drop is going to be as precipitous as we think.
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Post by azson on Oct 6, 2023 11:38:27 GMT -8
Preller interviewed on 97.3 this morning. A whole lotta milquetoast and not a single inspiring response re the future. He Who Should Go is unfortunately here for the foreseeable future.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 16:26:41 GMT -8
I still believe the Padres would let Melvin go if San Francisco showed interest.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 6, 2023 17:38:47 GMT -8
Who should go, who should stay, and who might be coming up...Glendale vs Peoria on the Arizona Fall League website (Peoria has the Padres AFL prospects).
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 6, 2023 18:35:56 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question I'd agree with the OP that Tatis, Machado, Soto, and Kim need to stay. I'd add Snell, Musgrove, and Suarez to the list.
Need to go: Grisham, Carpenter
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 19:56:44 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question I'd agree with the OP that Tatis, Machado, Soto, and Kim need to stay. I'd add Snell, Musgrove, and Suarez to the list. Need to go: Grisham, Carpenter Who replaces Grisham?
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Post by aardvark on Oct 6, 2023 20:28:04 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question I'd agree with the OP that Tatis, Machado, Soto, and Kim need to stay. I'd add Snell, Musgrove, and Suarez to the list. Need to go: Grisham, Carpenter Snell is not staying.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 20:33:03 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question I'd agree with the OP that Tatis, Machado, Soto, and Kim need to stay. I'd add Snell, Musgrove, and Suarez to the list. Need to go: Grisham, Carpenter Snell is not staying.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Oct 6, 2023 21:32:46 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question I'd agree with the OP that Tatis, Machado, Soto, and Kim need to stay. I'd add Snell, Musgrove, and Suarez to the list. Need to go: Grisham, Carpenter Who replaces Grisham? Someone who can hit above the Mendoza line. AJ oughta be able to find someone or he needs to go too.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 21:40:45 GMT -8
Someone who can hit above the Mendoza line. AJ oughta be able to find someone or he needs to go too. Ah, batting average. Heard that one before.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 6, 2023 21:55:12 GMT -8
Someone who can hit above the Mendoza line. AJ oughta be able to find someone or he needs to go too. Ah, batting average. Heard that one before. It's much more than an absolutely abysmal, embarrassing, pitiful, batting average of 198, but we've already touched on just SOME of those other areas.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 6, 2023 22:01:34 GMT -8
Ah, batting average. Heard that one before. It's much more than an absolutely abysmal, embarrassing, pitiful, batting average of 198, but we've already touched on just SOME of those other areas. You mean the ones you fabricated out of thin air, lied about, were shown the opposite and didn't acknowledge it at all? Sure, I remember that. It was hilarious. Yes, we know he strikes out. You don't have to repeat yourself. Here's the rub: You're going to "replace" one of the best defensive center fielders at arguably the shallowest position in baseball, for under $4M? Good luck. Way, way, way, way too big of a deal is being made out of the 9 hitter in the lineup. This isn't Austin Hedges or even Austin Nola. It's dumb.
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