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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Aug 28, 2023 22:35:25 GMT -8
By the way, Kyle Glaser had a good interview today talking about the mistakes the Padres have made this season, including moving guys off of their positions. Really? Because the defense has been good. The only weak link has been Soto at times but I'll take that to get Tatis's arm in right.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 22:36:59 GMT -8
By the way, Kyle Glaser had a good interview today talking about the mistakes the Padres have made this season, including moving guys off of their positions. Really? Because the defense has been good. The only weak link has been Soto at times but I'll take that to get Tatis's arm in right. It's not about the defense, it's about roster construction.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 22:45:37 GMT -8
Really? Because the defense has been good. The only weak link has been Soto at times but I'll take that to get Tatis's arm in right. It's not about the defense, it's about roster construction. Sooo why is Preller such a good GM again?Cronenworth shouldn't have been moved to first. Arguably, we shouldn't have traded for Soto (or we should have traded Hader and Snell at the deadline this year) if we don't have the money to resign core players like Kim. Then at least we would have more cheap players (like Gore, Abrams; or whoever we could get for Snell and Hader) to balance out the expensive salaries. Not to mention, why sign Bogaerts when we have Kim? Just because he was the best bat available, we sign him to a long term deal? If we didn't sign him we could have dipped below the luxury tax level this year. Then maybe we extend Kim, etc. Preller is like the dude who has credit cards maxed out, and he goes to apply for yet another one. So many of these trades and signings were shortsighted win now moves.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 22:53:23 GMT -8
Oh and why didn't we sign Brandon Drury in FA after trading for him?? He went to the Angels for 2 Years/$17M. Solid player with a .783 OPS this year. We could have had him for 8.5M per year, instead of Bogaerts at 25.4M per year... Played Kim at Shortstop, Drury at second and Cronenworth at first for the time being. Then once we get a first basemen, use Cronenworth and Drury as second basemen and utility guys. And you don't mind doing that when Drury is getting paid 8.5M a year...
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Post by junior on Aug 29, 2023 6:23:31 GMT -8
It's not about the defense, it's about roster construction. Sooo why is Preller such a good GM again?Cronenworth shouldn't have been moved to first. Arguably, we shouldn't have traded for Soto (or we should have traded Hader and Snell at the deadline this year) if we don't have the money to resign core players like Kim. Then at least we would have more cheap players (like Gore, Abrams; or whoever we could get for Snell and Hader) to balance out the expensive salaries. Not to mention, why sign Bogaerts when we have Kim? Just because he was the best bat available, we sign him to a long term deal? If we didn't sign him we could have dipped below the luxury tax level this year. Then maybe we extend Kim, etc. Preller is like the dude who has credit cards maxed out, and he goes to apply for yet another one. So many of these trades and signings were shortsighted win now moves. Win now was apparently the motivation. Kinda backfired on them all. Should’ve maybe traded for Win One Soon…
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 7:48:52 GMT -8
Oh and why didn't we sign Brandon Drury in FA after trading for him?? He went to the Angels for 2 Years/$17M. Solid player with a .783 OPS this year. We could have had him for 8.5M per year, instead of Bogaerts at 25.4M per year... Played Kim at Shortstop, Drury at second and Cronenworth at first for the time being. Then once we get a first basemen, use Cronenworth and Drury as second basemen and utility guys. And you don't mind doing that when Drury is getting paid 8.5M a year... Bogaerts is a way better player, so...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 29, 2023 8:16:29 GMT -8
Oh and why didn't we sign Brandon Drury in FA after trading for him?? He went to the Angels for 2 Years/$17M. Solid player with a .783 OPS this year. We could have had him for 8.5M per year, instead of Bogaerts at 25.4M per year... Played Kim at Shortstop, Drury at second and Cronenworth at first for the time being. Then once we get a first basemen, use Cronenworth and Drury as second basemen and utility guys. And you don't mind doing that when Drury is getting paid 8.5M a year... Bogaerts is a way better player, so... A way better player who may never get his top form back due to injury - and injury that Preller knew about when he signed Bogaerts.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 8:50:54 GMT -8
Bogaerts is a way better player, so... A way better player who may never get his top form back due to injury - and injury that Preller knew about when he signed Bogaerts. That's mostly overblown. He was fine when he was signed. It flared up in spring training and then was made worse when he got hit by Strider. Even with all of that, he's still pacing for nearly what you would expect. I think he'll be fine next year.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 29, 2023 12:35:58 GMT -8
Oh and why didn't we sign Brandon Drury in FA after trading for him?? He went to the Angels for 2 Years/$17M. Solid player with a .783 OPS this year. We could have had him for 8.5M per year, instead of Bogaerts at 25.4M per year... Played Kim at Shortstop, Drury at second and Cronenworth at first for the time being. Then once we get a first basemen, use Cronenworth and Drury as second basemen and utility guys. And you don't mind doing that when Drury is getting paid 8.5M a year... Bogaerts is a way better player, so... That's not the point. It's about player position management and the luxury tax cutoff. Now, if Preller did it thinking that Machado would walk, and Seidler stepped in and gave him that extension on his own, then I guess that's on Seidler? And the point regarding Drury is that he would have been a valuable part of this year's team. Solid hitter. Solid enough for us to trade for him last year. And he would have cost 1/3rd of what Bogaerts cost us. Could have let us dip below the luxury tax threshold, setting us up for later big signings. Could have let us get better pitching pieces (clearly we needed another starter). It's just mismanagement of resources by the front office, going for the big splashy signing (when the team already has a million superstars), instead of resigning the everyday solid players (like a Drury) who provide a few WAR at 1/3rd the cost of Bogaerts (and with a two year contract vs. a 10 year contract).
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 12:39:45 GMT -8
Bogaerts is a way better player, so... That's not the point. It's about player position management and the luxury tax cutoff. Now, if Preller did it thinking that Machado would walk, and Seidler stepped in and gave him that extension on his own, then I guess that's on Seidler? And the point regarding Drury is that he would have been a valuable part of this year's team. Solid hitter. Solid enough for us to trade for him last year. And he would have cost 1/3rd of what Bogaerts cost us. Could have let us dip below the luxury tax threshold, setting us up for later big signings. Could have let us get better pitching pieces (clearly we needed another starter). It's just mismanagement of resources by the front office, going for the big splashy signing (when the team already has a million superstars), instead of resigning the everyday solid players (like a Drury) who provide a few WAR at 1/3rd the cost of Bogaerts (and with a two year contract vs. a 10 year contract). Kind of is the point. You should be getting great players when you can. The Padres really never pursued Drury all that heavily. They were over the tax either way and it wasn't much of a concern for ownership.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 29, 2023 12:52:53 GMT -8
That's not the point. It's about player position management and the luxury tax cutoff. Now, if Preller did it thinking that Machado would walk, and Seidler stepped in and gave him that extension on his own, then I guess that's on Seidler? And the point regarding Drury is that he would have been a valuable part of this year's team. Solid hitter. Solid enough for us to trade for him last year. And he would have cost 1/3rd of what Bogaerts cost us. Could have let us dip below the luxury tax threshold, setting us up for later big signings. Could have let us get better pitching pieces (clearly we needed another starter). It's just mismanagement of resources by the front office, going for the big splashy signing (when the team already has a million superstars), instead of resigning the everyday solid players (like a Drury) who provide a few WAR at 1/3rd the cost of Bogaerts (and with a two year contract vs. a 10 year contract). Kind of is the point. You should be getting great players when you can. The Padres really never pursued Drury all that heavily. They were over the tax either way and it wasn't much of a concern for ownership. Bogaerts is projected to be worth 14.2 WAR over the next 9 seasons. We are paying 229.5M over the next 9 seasons. We are paying him 16.1M per win that he creates (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/category/teams/padres/).Drury is projected to be worth 1.5 WAR next year, at a cost of 8.5M. We would pay him 5.6M per win that he creates.The point is that the Padres are penny rich and pound foolish. They made the big splashy signing that costs 16.1M per win that he creates, but didn't resign the guy that only costs 5.6M per win that he creates?? That's not intelligent, to put it bluntly. Because we spend all our money on a splashy signing, we had a lack of pitching depth. That costs us wins.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 13:03:09 GMT -8
Kind of is the point. You should be getting great players when you can. The Padres really never pursued Drury all that heavily. They were over the tax either way and it wasn't much of a concern for ownership. Bogaerts is projected to be worth 14.2 WAR over the next 9 seasons. We are paying 229.5M over the next 9 seasons. We are paying him 16.1M per win that he creates (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/category/teams/padres/).Drury is projected to be worth 1.5 WAR next year, at a cost of 8.5M. We would pay him 5.6M per win that he creates.The point is that the Padres are penny rich and pound foolish. They made the big splashy signing that costs 16.1M per win that he creates, but didn't resign the guy that only costs 5.6M per win that he creates?? That's not intelligent, to put it bluntly. Because we spend all our money on a splashy signing, we had a lack of pitching depth. That costs us wins. This is a strange hill to die om, with Drury's lifetime numbers, the fact he's a utility player who didn't have a spot on this roster, the fact he wasn't good here after the deadline....the problem isn't paying Bogaerts, it's the other two guys who got extended. Pitching hasn't been the problem all season.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 29, 2023 13:06:37 GMT -8
The point being that the team would have been better off with Drury 8.5M + 2 Decent Pitchers 8.5M + 8.5M = Total of 25.5M vs. getting just Bogaerts. Oh and also, we overpaid for Bogaerts - we are paying 16.1M per win, vs 8.5M for 2+ WAR players in 2022: What are teams playing per WAR in FA: Year 2+ Proj WAR 0-2 Proj WAR Difference 2022 $8.5 M/WAR $6.5 M/WAR $2.0 M/WAR -23.5% blogs.fangraphs.com/what-are-teams-paying-per-war-in-free-agency/
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 13:21:54 GMT -8
The point being that the team would have been better off with Drury 8.5M + 2 Decent Pitchers 8.5M + 8.5M = Total of 25.5M vs. getting just Bogaerts. Oh and also, we overpaid for Bogaerts - we are paying 16.1M per win, vs 8.5M for 2+ WAR players in 2022: What are teams playing per WAR in FA: Year 2+ Proj WAR 0-2 Proj WAR Difference 2022 $8.5 M/WAR $6.5 M/WAR $2.0 M/WAR -23.5% blogs.fangraphs.com/what-are-teams-paying-per-war-in-free-agency/Nope. Superstar > Depth. Been proven over and over again. You're using useless projections, knowing you have to overpay for the inevitable downside at the end of the deal, same as everyone else in the same boat.
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Post by survalli on Aug 29, 2023 13:47:46 GMT -8
Renfroe was just waived. id take him over Grisham.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 13:53:49 GMT -8
Renfroe was just waived. id take him over Grisham. I believe he was already rostered once and was the exact type of player we were trying to shift away from. He also doesn't play center field.
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Post by survalli on Aug 29, 2023 14:04:59 GMT -8
Renfroe was just waived. id take him over Grisham. I believe he was already rostered once and was the exact type of player we were trying to shift away from. He also doesn't play center field. you mentioned depth, this organization has no outfield depth, Tatis to center, Renfroe to right
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2023 14:12:01 GMT -8
I believe he was already rostered once and was the exact type of player we were trying to shift away from. He also doesn't play center field. you mentioned depth, this organization has no outfield depth, Tatis to center, Renfroe to right For what purpose? It's dumb. We're trying to get away from that.
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Post by survalli on Aug 29, 2023 14:31:08 GMT -8
you mentioned depth, this organization has no outfield depth, Tatis to center, Renfroe to right For what purpose? It's dumb. We're trying to get away from that. away from having an every day active player hitting .201?
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 29, 2023 14:32:41 GMT -8
I believe he was already rostered once and was the exact type of player we were trying to shift away from. He also doesn't play center field. you mentioned depth, this organization has no outfield depth, Tatis to center, Renfroe to right Renfroes got a gun.
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