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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 17:09:34 GMT -8
The chemistry issue with Machado is a big part of it. Also, last time I checked, Kim is an incredible shortstop defensively. You're not losing anything there, and Cronenworth needs to go back to second. The idea to use Cronenworth as an every day first basemen was terrible. But hey, if you think Bogaerts should stay at short, you could put Kim in the outfield. Or Merrill. Kim might actually be athletic enough to cover center. Then you could keep your best arm in Tatis in right. Basically, do whatever is needed to get Grisham out of the lineup while maintaining a good defensive unit. Exactly. Grisham could still be valuable to the team as a 4th outfielder. Kim was the 5th infielder in his first year in the big leagues. His offense was bad, but he made up for it by playing great defense as a backup. Grisham can be that guy for us. The best teams have good depth to where their 5th infielder and 4th outfielder are capable of starting on other teams. Then when we are leading 4-3 in the 8th, shift Soto to DH and put Grisham in the outfield. Or if you're behind, don't put Grisham in - or use him as a pinch runner for Soto, or Manny (moving Kim or Bogaerts back into the infield) after he draws a walk to start the 8th or 9th inning down a run. It gives you flexibility.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 17:23:48 GMT -8
The chemistry issue with Machado is a big part of it. Also, last time I checked, Kim is an incredible shortstop defensively. You're not losing anything there, and Cronenworth needs to go back to second. The idea to use Cronenworth as an every day first basemen was terrible. But hey, if you think Bogaerts should stay at short, you could put Kim in the outfield. Or Merrill. Kim might actually be athletic enough to cover center. Then you could keep your best arm in Tatis in right. The better solution is to trade Cronenworth and find a first baseman to take that role. You'll lose defensively, but the positional adjustment won't really matter as much. 1. Not sure that Cronenworth is even tradable coming off the season that he's had. 2. Are you really comfortable with a 4-3 lead when a ball is drilled in Soto's direction? I know I'm not. Shifting Soto to DH in situations where the team has built a lead just makes a lot of sense. I get that he would not want to be a full time DH, but subbing him to DH late with a lead is the best of both worlds.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 17:28:13 GMT -8
The better solution is to trade Cronenworth and find a first baseman to take that role. You'll lose defensively, but the positional adjustment won't really matter as much. 1. Not sure that Cronenworth is even tradable coming off the season that he's had. 2. Are you really comfortable with a 4-3 lead when a ball is drilled in Soto's direction? I know I'm not. Shifting Soto to DH in situations where the team has built a lead just makes a lot of sense. I get that he would not want to be a full time DH, but subbing him to DH late with a lead is the best of both worlds. He is. You can market him as a middle infielder and the contract really isn't bad for a position that really lacks depth. I don't really care about the Soto stuff at this point. Small potatoes. By the way, Kyle Glaser had a good interview today talking about the mistakes the Padres have made this season, including moving guys off of their positions.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2023 17:31:48 GMT -8
1. Not sure that Cronenworth is even tradable coming off the season that he's had. 2. Are you really comfortable with a 4-3 lead when a ball is drilled in Soto's direction? I know I'm not. Shifting Soto to DH in situations where the team has built a lead just makes a lot of sense. I get that he would not want to be a full time DH, but subbing him to DH late with a lead is the best of both worlds. He is. You can market him as a middle infielder and the contract really isn't bad for a position that really lacks depth. I don't really care about the Soto stuff at this point. Small potatoes. By the way, Kyle Glaser had a good interview today talking about the mistakes the Padres have made this season, including moving guys off of their positions. You had said, multiple times, that you felt the Cronenworth contract was horrible.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 17:36:32 GMT -8
He is. You can market him as a middle infielder and the contract really isn't bad for a position that really lacks depth. I don't really care about the Soto stuff at this point. Small potatoes. By the way, Kyle Glaser had a good interview today talking about the mistakes the Padres have made this season, including moving guys off of their positions. You had said, multiple times, that you felt the Cronenworth contract was horrible. For this team? Yes. As a whole on the free agent market at a different position? No. The AAV is reasonable and it's moveable. Whether they will admit the mistake or not...who knows. But it's the easiest and most productive fix. Get more power at the position, allows for Jackson Merrill to assume a super utility role early.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 17:50:06 GMT -8
At this point, I don't care what the Padres do. I'm out.
This team is a total clusterf***. Management is in over their heads (they don't know how to wisely spend big money, they just sign the big flashy free agents, even if they have injury concerns like Bogaerts). The players are not a team. We have our best shortstop at 2nd. A Center fielder who can't hit with players in scoring position to save his life (and who strikes out more than I would - only a slight exaggeration).
This franchise is a mess. They aren't going to fix it. It's only getting worse. And, like I said years ago, when the bills come due on the credit cards they've been using to pay these players this franchise is going to have a bunch of older high priced players who can't play, and a bunch of scrubs making minimum money who can't play.
It's over.
Seidler wanted a quick fix. He wanted Preller to make a splash. Well, here you go!
It's nice to have an owner who wants to win and is willing to spend money, but so was Daniel Snyder. Seidler may not be THAT bad, but he's at least as bad as Jerry Jones. Notice the Cowboys haven't been to the Super Bowl in over a quarter century? And Washington hasn't been to the Super Bowl in over 30 years! Owners who get TOO involved just ruin their teams, regardless of the sport.
Grisham is a joke. One of the all time worst Padres. And he still has a roster spot.
FYI - Offensive production is more important than an extra two feet of range in the outfield.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 18:00:33 GMT -8
At this point, I don't care what the Padres do. I'm out. This team is a total clusterf***. Management is in over their heads (they don't know how to wisely spend big money, they just sign the big flashy free agents, even if they have injury concerns like Bogaerts). The players are not a team. We have our best shortstop at 2nd. A Center fielder who can't hit with players in scoring position to save his life (and who strikes out more than I would - only a slight exaggeration). This franchise is a mess. They aren't going to fix it. It's only getting worse. And, like I said years ago, when the bills come due on the credit cards they've been using to pay these players this franchise is going to have a bunch of older high priced players who can't play, and a bunch of scrubs making minimum money who can't play. It's over. Seidler wanted a quick fix. He wanted Preller to make a splash. Well, here you go! It's nice to have an owner who wants to win and is willing to spend money, but so was Daniel Snyder. Seidler may not be THAT bad, but he's at least as bad as Jerry Jones. Notice the Cowboys haven't been to the Super Bowl in over a quarter century? And Washington hasn't been to the Super Bowl in over 30 years! Owners who get TOO involved just ruin their teams, regardless of the sport. Grisham is a joke. One of the all time worst Padres. And he still has a roster spot. FYI - Offensive production is more important than an extra two feet of range in the outfield. You've lost your marbles.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2023 18:02:20 GMT -8
At this point, I don't care what the Padres do. I'm out. This team is a total clusterf***. Management is in over their heads (they don't know how to wisely spend big money, they just sign the big flashy free agents, even if they have injury concerns like Bogaerts). The players are not a team. We have our best shortstop at 2nd. A Center fielder who can't hit with players in scoring position to save his life (and who strikes out more than I would - only a slight exaggeration). This franchise is a mess. They aren't going to fix it. It's only getting worse. And, like I said years ago, when the bills come due on the credit cards they've been using to pay these players this franchise is going to have a bunch of older high priced players who can't play, and a bunch of scrubs making minimum money who can't play. It's over. Seidler wanted a quick fix. He wanted Preller to make a splash. Well, here you go! It's nice to have an owner who wants to win and is willing to spend money, but so was Daniel Snyder. Seidler may not be THAT bad, but he's at least as bad as Jerry Jones. Notice the Cowboys haven't been to the Super Bowl in over a quarter century? And Washington hasn't been to the Super Bowl in over 30 years! Owners who get TOO involved just ruin their teams, regardless of the sport. Grisham is a joke. One of the all time worst Padres. And he still has a roster spot. FYI - Offensive production is more important than an extra two feet of range in the outfield. The crazy thing is those flashy Free Agent guys that you're talking about, went to the NLCS last year. One step away from the World Series. Last year, they played hungry, on fire and with a purpose. This year, it looked like they they were sleep walking. No hunger in them at all. They thought it would just happen if they simply walked in the field. It's fair to say that the Manager can take some blame for that for not motivating them, but it's tough to motivate a bunch of individuals, who just want to put up the big stats for themselves.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 18:39:15 GMT -8
You had said, multiple times, that you felt the Cronenworth contract was horrible. For this team? Yes. As a whole on the free agent market at a different position? No. The AAV is reasonable and it's moveable. Whether they will admit the mistake or not...who knows. But it's the easiest and most productive fix. Get more power at the position, allows for Jackson Merrill to assume a super utility role early. It doesn't really make any sense to trade Cronenworth right now when his value is at it's lowest. It also looks bad considering he signed a long term deal with us. It would make more sense to trade Merrill for pitching prospects, a first basemen prospect, or either that's already in the big leagues but has 4+ years of control. Then Cronenworth becomes that super utility guys for us (which is fine because Kim covers any position that Cronenworth doesn't). We probably have to trade for a first basemen, although Rhys Hoskins is a possibility in FA
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 18:51:50 GMT -8
At this point, I don't care what the Padres do. I'm out. This team is a total clusterf***. Management is in over their heads (they don't know how to wisely spend big money, they just sign the big flashy free agents, even if they have injury concerns like Bogaerts). The players are not a team. We have our best shortstop at 2nd. A Center fielder who can't hit with players in scoring position to save his life (and who strikes out more than I would - only a slight exaggeration). This franchise is a mess. They aren't going to fix it. It's only getting worse. And, like I said years ago, when the bills come due on the credit cards they've been using to pay these players this franchise is going to have a bunch of older high priced players who can't play, and a bunch of scrubs making minimum money who can't play. It's over. Seidler wanted a quick fix. He wanted Preller to make a splash. Well, here you go! It's nice to have an owner who wants to win and is willing to spend money, but so was Daniel Snyder. Seidler may not be THAT bad, but he's at least as bad as Jerry Jones. Notice the Cowboys haven't been to the Super Bowl in over a quarter century? And Washington hasn't been to the Super Bowl in over 30 years! Owners who get TOO involved just ruin their teams, regardless of the sport. Grisham is a joke. One of the all time worst Padres. And he still has a roster spot. FYI - Offensive production is more important than an extra two feet of range in the outfield. You've lost your marbles. Did I ever have them???
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 19:03:29 GMT -8
You've lost your marbles. Did I ever have them??? Sure, but the over the top exaggerations are a bit much.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 19:05:02 GMT -8
Kyle Manzardo + Tanner Burns for Robbie Snelling + Eguy Rosario. That could be a good trade that would get us our first basemen and still let us hold onto Merrill. Also gives us more pen depth in the minors next year, which we definitely need.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 19:06:42 GMT -8
For this team? Yes. As a whole on the free agent market at a different position? No. The AAV is reasonable and it's moveable. Whether they will admit the mistake or not...who knows. But it's the easiest and most productive fix. Get more power at the position, allows for Jackson Merrill to assume a super utility role early. It doesn't really make any sense to trade Cronenworth right now when his value is at it's lowest. It also looks bad considering he signed a long term deal with us. It would make more sense to trade Merrill for pitching prospects, a first basemen prospect, or either that's already in the big leagues but has 4+ years of control. Then Cronenworth becomes that super utility guys for us (which is fine because Kim covers any position that Cronenworth doesn't). We probably have to trade for a first basemen, although Rhys Hoskins is a possibility in FA It makes a lot of sense. He's not getting younger and you're not getting a good return, anyway. You're going to eat money, but you have to fix it. He's not a prospect anymore, his peak has already happened. Trading Merrill makes little sense. You need pre-arb guys to build around to navigate payroll limitations. You need to start trusting development and let prospects come up and fill those roles to continue sustainable, long-term competitive windows. Kim is only under contract at this point for one more year.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 19:07:30 GMT -8
Kyle Manzardo + Tanner Burns for Robbie Snelling + Eguy Rosario. That could be a good trade that would get us our first basemen and still let us hold onto Merrill. Also gives us more pen depth in the minors next year, which we definitely need. Cleveland isn't going to trade Manzardo after just acquiring him.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 19:52:08 GMT -8
It doesn't really make any sense to trade Cronenworth right now when his value is at it's lowest. It also looks bad considering he signed a long term deal with us. It would make more sense to trade Merrill for pitching prospects, a first basemen prospect, or either that's already in the big leagues but has 4+ years of control. Then Cronenworth becomes that super utility guys for us (which is fine because Kim covers any position that Cronenworth doesn't). We probably have to trade for a first basemen, although Rhys Hoskins is a possibility in FA It makes a lot of sense. He's not getting younger and you're not getting a good return, anyway. You're going to eat money, but you have to fix it. He's not a prospect anymore, his peak has already happened. Trading Merrill makes little sense. You need pre-arb guys to build around to navigate payroll limitations. You need to start trusting development and let prospects come up and fill those roles to continue sustainable, long-term competitive windows. Kim is only under contract at this point for one more year. So we're letting Kim walk in FA? Brilliant- we decided to extend Cronenworth but we can't hold onto Kim, the more valuable of the two. To be clear, I don't want to trade Merrill..
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 28, 2023 20:07:31 GMT -8
Kyle Manzardo + Tanner Burns for Robbie Snelling + Eguy Rosario. That could be a good trade that would get us our first basemen and still let us hold onto Merrill. Also gives us more pen depth in the minors next year, which we definitely need. Cleveland isn't going to trade Manzardo are just acquiring him. Maybe a trade for Coby Mayo? Snelling + a decent prospect for him?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2023 20:09:43 GMT -8
It makes a lot of sense. He's not getting younger and you're not getting a good return, anyway. You're going to eat money, but you have to fix it. He's not a prospect anymore, his peak has already happened. Trading Merrill makes little sense. You need pre-arb guys to build around to navigate payroll limitations. You need to start trusting development and let prospects come up and fill those roles to continue sustainable, long-term competitive windows. Kim is only under contract at this point for one more year. So we're letting Kim walk in FA? Brilliant- we decided to extend Cronenworth but we can't hold onto Kim, the more valuable of the two. To be clear, I don't want to trade Merrill.. I don't think they can afford Kim at this point, given Merrill coming up behind him and the fact he's going to be highly sought after on the open market. Can't run these payrolls forever, especially with the big money kicking in soon.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2023 20:18:48 GMT -8
It makes a lot of sense. He's not getting younger and you're not getting a good return, anyway. You're going to eat money, but you have to fix it. He's not a prospect anymore, his peak has already happened. Trading Merrill makes little sense. You need pre-arb guys to build around to navigate payroll limitations. You need to start trusting development and let prospects come up and fill those roles to continue sustainable, long-term competitive windows. Kim is only under contract at this point for one more year. So we're letting Kim walk in FA? Brilliant- we decided to extend Cronenworth but we can't hold onto Kim, the more valuable of the two. To be clear, I don't want to trade Merrill.. We better find a way to keep Kim.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2023 20:53:39 GMT -8
So we're letting Kim walk in FA? Brilliant- we decided to extend Cronenworth but we can't hold onto Kim, the more valuable of the two. To be clear, I don't want to trade Merrill.. We better find a way to keep Kim. If they let Kim walk then that just proves that I'm right about this team not living up to what this roster was designed (and signed) to be. Letting Kim go would kill the team. He's their best defensive player, and one of their best offensive players. Right now he's probably their best all around player. Losing Kim would leave a gaping hole in the line-up that they would have no way of filling (a player who is great both offensively and defensively). Lose Kim, lose any hope of contending. Without him this team would probably be 7 or 8 more games below .500.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2023 21:12:29 GMT -8
We better find a way to keep Kim. If they let Kim walk then that just proves that I'm right about this team not living up to what this roster was designed (and signed) to be. Letting Kim go would kill the team. He's their best defensive player, and one of their best offensive players. Right now he's probably their best all around player. Losing Kim would leave a gaping hole in the line-up that they would have no way of filling (a player who is great both offensively and defensively). Lose Kim, lose any hope of contending. Without him this team would probably be 7 or 8 more games below .500. You can sum it up by saying that Kim is the heart of this team, and that's saying a lot with Tatis on the team, as well.
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