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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 15:08:45 GMT -8
Mail it in? No. Hold on to the prospects and build for 2024? Yes. Do you think they should give up Snell, for example, if they have a reasonable chance at the wild card, before the deadline? I'd love to extend Snell. Realistically, yes, he should be traded. There is no realistic shot at the wild card at this juncture.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 15:21:30 GMT -8
Do you think they should give up Snell, for example, if they have a reasonable chance at the wild card, before the deadline? I'd love to extend Snell. Realistically, yes, he should be traded. There is no realistic shot at the wild card at this juncture. If they're 4 games out of the WC by the end of these two series coming up, I say hold on to him and take your shot at it.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 15:25:54 GMT -8
I'd love to extend Snell. Realistically, yes, he should be traded. There is no realistic shot at the wild card at this juncture. If they're 4 games out of the WC by the end of these two series coming up, I say hold on to him and take your shot at it. Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 15:39:53 GMT -8
If they're 4 games out of the WC by the end of these two series coming up, I say hold on to him and take your shot at it. Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point. I believe we're 6.5 out right now so we have to pick up 2.5 games on multiple teams to be 4 out at that point. Still a tall task, but I say go for it if we do.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 15:46:55 GMT -8
Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point. I believe we're 6.5 out right now so we have to pick up 2.5 games on multiple teams to be 4 put at that point. Still a tall task, but I say go for it if we do. Problem is they have zero separation with multiple teams behind them and will have to surpass three teams to get into the playoffs. AJ is fighting for his job, which complicates things, but it seems pretty clear they'll buy and sell with an eye on '24.
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Post by junior on Jul 20, 2023 15:47:50 GMT -8
If they're 4 games out of the WC by the end of these two series coming up, I say hold on to him and take your shot at it. Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point. Interesting given that they are an arguably much better team - on paper - than the one that went on to postseason series play last year… and missed the gold rings by very little.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 15:53:41 GMT -8
Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point. Interesting given that they are an arguably much better team - on paper - than the one that went on to postseason series play last year… and missed the gold rings by very little. That's what has been giving me hope, still. The talent. I know it hasn't translated onto the field much this year, but if we sweep these last series, or maybe only lose one game and are somewhere around 4 games out before the deadline, I'd hate to give up. I do understand if they did, because of how we've played this year, very inconsistent, but I don't know. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 15:57:44 GMT -8
I believe we're 6.5 out right now so we have to pick up 2.5 games on multiple teams to be 4 put at that point. Still a tall task, but I say go for it if we do. Problem is they have zero separation with multiple teams behind them and will have to surpass three teams to get into the playoffs. AJ is fighting for his job, which complicates things, but it seems pretty clear they'll buy and sell with an eye on '24. They did just win 2-3 to a tough Toronto team on the road. It has given me some last minute hope.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 16:17:36 GMT -8
Sweeping both series (something they haven't done since 2021) and somehow picking up four games on multiple teams is a tough ask. This isn't a playoff ready team at this point. Interesting given that they are an arguably much better team - on paper - than the one that went on to postseason series play last year… and missed the gold rings by very little. Tough to quantify that, given the injuries they are dealing with and the lack of depth/performance.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 16:18:14 GMT -8
Problem is they have zero separation with multiple teams behind them and will have to surpass three teams to get into the playoffs. AJ is fighting for his job, which complicates things, but it seems pretty clear they'll buy and sell with an eye on '24. They did just win 2-3 to a tough Toronto team on the road. It has given me some last minute hope. They also scored two runs in two games.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 18:05:57 GMT -8
They did just win 2-3 to a tough Toronto team on the road. It has given me some last minute hope. They also scored two runs in two games. Or, 11 runs in three games. Or, 33 runs since the All Star break. This can go back and forth. I'm trying to just focus on the here and now with the glass is half full mentality, until it's not, for me.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 18:12:47 GMT -8
They did just win 2-3 to a tough Toronto team on the road. It has given me some last minute hope. They also scored two runs in two games. They also only let up 4 runs in two games. See how you can adjust anything? And, they took two out of three which is the important thing.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2023 19:01:08 GMT -8
They also scored two runs in two games. They also only let up 4 runs in two games. See how you can adjust anything? And, they took two out of three which is the important thing. It's not about "adjusting" anything, it's using what we have seen all season, inconsistent, sporadic, woeful offense regularly. Taking two out of three isn't enough, they need sweeps at this point with what is front of them.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 20, 2023 20:38:50 GMT -8
They also only let up 4 runs in two games. See how you can adjust anything? And, they took two out of three which is the important thing. It's not about "adjusting" anything, it's using what we have seen all season, inconsistent, sporadic, woeful offense regularly. Taking two out of three isn't enough, they need sweeps at this point with what is front of them. It absolutely is about adjusting when specifically talking about the time frame at hand, which was the topic at the time. If you now want to talk about their whole season, yeah, their woes are obvious. They realistically weren't going to sweep Toronto, but did what they had to do there. They need to sweep Detroit and Pittsburgh, because that's a distinct possibility, and go from there. Get to 500, or above They're not going to go undefeated the rest of the season, as you suggest they need to, by saying they need sweeps at this point. They need to have some luck and win the other teams lose as much as possible, etc.... It's obviously not going to be easy, and it all could come to an end, in my own personal thoughts by the end of this week, or sooner, but crazier things have happened and their talent is what's keeping my hopes alive at this point.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2023 8:07:22 GMT -8
It's not about "adjusting" anything, it's using what we have seen all season, inconsistent, sporadic, woeful offense regularly. Taking two out of three isn't enough, they need sweeps at this point with what is front of them. It absolutely is about adjusting when specifically talking about the time frame at hand, which was the topic at the time. If you now want to talk about their whole season, yeah, their woes are obvious. They realistically weren't going to sweep Toronto, but did what they had to do there. They need to sweep Detroit and Pittsburgh, because that's a distinct possibility, and go from there. Get to 500, or above They're not going to go undefeated the rest of the season, as you suggest they need to, by saying they need sweeps at this point. They need to have some luck and win the other teams lose as much as possible, etc.... It's obviously not going to be easy, and it all could come to an end, in my own personal thoughts by the end of this week, or sooner, but crazier things have happened and their talent is what's keeping my hopes alive at this point. Never said anywhere they had to go undefeated the rest of the season. Accept it for what it is and move forward to 2024.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2023 8:10:04 GMT -8
It absolutely is about adjusting when specifically talking about the time frame at hand, which was the topic at the time. If you now want to talk about their whole season, yeah, their woes are obvious. They realistically weren't going to sweep Toronto, but did what they had to do there. They need to sweep Detroit and Pittsburgh, because that's a distinct possibility, and go from there. Get to 500, or above They're not going to go undefeated the rest of the season, as you suggest they need to, by saying they need sweeps at this point. They need to have some luck and win the other teams lose as much as possible, etc.... It's obviously not going to be easy, and it all could come to an end, in my own personal thoughts by the end of this week, or sooner, but crazier things have happened and their talent is what's keeping my hopes alive at this point. Never said anywhere they had to go undefeated the rest of the season. Accept it for what it is and move forward to 2024. Just referring to your "They need sweeps" at this point comment which would having to win every game left on the schedule. I'm sure it was just a figure of speech.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2023 8:32:23 GMT -8
Never said anywhere they had to go undefeated the rest of the season. Accept it for what it is and move forward to 2024. Just referring to your "They need sweeps" at this point comment which would having to win every game left on the schedule. I'm sure it was just a figure of speech. "At this point" means "now." It does not mean "win 60 games in a row." You have to jump some combination of Arizona, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Miami or Cincinnati (three of those teams) and then also hold off the two teams immediately behind...all while not having a winning streak of more than five in two seasons. It's great to be optimistic, it's fine to be realistic.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2023 8:48:18 GMT -8
Just referring to your "They need sweeps" at this point comment which would having to win every game left on the schedule. I'm sure it was just a figure of speech. "At this point" means "now." It does not mean "win 60 games in a row." You have to jump some combination of Arizona, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Miami or Cincinnati (three of those teams) and then also hold off the two teams immediately behind...all while not having a winning streak of more than five in two seasons. It's great to be optimistic, it's fine to be realistic. Right, and that's why I said they need to sweep these next two series, for starters. Yes, I realize what they're up against and that's why I said they need some luck in there, and win when the other teams lose. Tall task, but I'm still hopeful for now.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 21, 2023 9:46:58 GMT -8
"At this point" means "now." It does not mean "win 60 games in a row." You have to jump some combination of Arizona, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Miami or Cincinnati (three of those teams) and then also hold off the two teams immediately behind...all while not having a winning streak of more than five in two seasons. It's great to be optimistic, it's fine to be realistic. Right, and that's why I said they need to sweep these next two series, for starters. Yes, I realize what they're up against and that's why I said they need some luck in there, and win when the other teams lose. Tall task, but I'm still hopeful for now. Like I said, I don't believe these next two series influence their deadline plans. It would be foolish to act based on beating two terrible teams while not creating meaningful separation from anyone.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 21, 2023 10:12:02 GMT -8
Right, and that's why I said they need to sweep these next two series, for starters. Yes, I realize what they're up against and that's why I said they need some luck in there, and win when the other teams lose. Tall task, but I'm still hopeful for now. Like I said, I don't believe these next two series influence their deadline plans. It would be foolish to act based on beating two terrible teams while not creating meaningful separation from anyone. It doesn't matter who you're playing, a good or bad team if you win, and you happen to pick up a couple of games, which is the point now. It's where they're at in the standings, not who they're aying right about now. So, like I've continually said, if they HAPPEN to pick up some games while sweeping these next two series, I'd personally, as a fan, like to see them stay the course and give it a shot. Also,, like I've continually said, it's a tall task that they'll get to that point, but hopeful.
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