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Post by ron on Feb 23, 2018 9:49:46 GMT -8
Perhaps he was getting the loan so that he could attend the "African American studies" course here at UNC.
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Post by mayham81 on Feb 23, 2018 9:52:22 GMT -8
When it comes to college sports, it's the truth.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 23, 2018 9:53:47 GMT -8
If it is a loan, how is it a violation? At most you could say he got a better interest rate, but on $1,400 the difference between 7% interest and 0% is about $98. But how is it a benefit if he has to pay it back? It is a financial transaction between an agency and a player. And it can be pretty easy to assume the agent wasn't offering loans to any average non-athlete, hence the assumption that his status as an athlete is the reason the transaction took place. It is a benefit, and impermissible. Sucks, but I won't argue if he never suits up again. Protect the program. Personal loans are ubiquitous in the US now a days, where he get's his loan from may raise eyebrows, but the mere access to a personal loan is not some hard fought benefit that only a certain percentage of people can access. Sofi Funding Circle Lending Club One Main Avant Let alone every credit card company in the US on and on, there is quite a robust marketplace for people of any all cuts to access a personal loan. The benefit if there was one would be on the terms, was he lent more than his debt capacity could handle and or was his interest rate sub market considering his debt profile. $1,400 is a smaller line than what a Credit Card company would offer a college student.
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Post by azteclou on Feb 23, 2018 9:59:44 GMT -8
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Post by sdsudevil on Feb 23, 2018 10:01:55 GMT -8
It is a financial transaction between an agency and a player. And it can be pretty easy to assume the agent wasn't offering loans to any average non-athlete, hence the assumption that his status as an athlete is the reason the transaction took place. It is a benefit, and impermissible. Sucks, but I won't argue if he never suits up again. Protect the program. Personal loans are ubiquitous in the US now a days, where he get's his loan from may raise eyebrows, but the mere access to a personal loan is not some hard fought benefit that only a certain percentage of people can access. Sofi Funding Circle Lending Club One Main Avant Let alone every credit card company in the US on and on, there is quite a robust marketplace for people of any all cuts to access a personal loan. The benefit if there was one would be on the terms, was he lent more than his debt capacity could handle and or was his interest rate sub market considering his debt profile. $1,400 is a smaller line than what a Credit Card company would offer a college student. Yet he didn't go to a lending source that everyone can go to, and from a source that cannot be proven to be an "established family friend". His status as a basketball player led to him getting a loan from an agent. That is what the NCAA is going to use. You can doll it up, and play semantics, but if true, Pope committed a violation knowingly, as it is stated in the NCAA rulebook, and is harped on by every university's compliance department.
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Post by 12414 on Feb 23, 2018 10:02:31 GMT -8
The only word I can think of is "sad".
Sad that this happened.
Sad that there is not a process in place to legally pay college athletes a stipend for playing.
Sad that for the last three games, Malik had been playing the best ball of his career - and now he may be possibly suspended.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Feb 23, 2018 10:23:51 GMT -8
Today I keep seeing comments about paying college athletes. That's an easy response but it's not well thought out and doesn't solve the issue of an agent giving money to a student athlete to hopefully convince them to sign with their agency.
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 23, 2018 10:31:02 GMT -8
Really hate holier than though takes. We live in an imperfect world. No one is perfect. Why do shady people like this agent always keep immaculate records of their shadiness? Ironic. We have plenty of "holier than thou posters" who were convinced that SDSU and our players and coaches were clean. What a joke. Bummer for Malik and the program. Yes, perhaps it's time to pay NCAA athletes (but that's a different thread).
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Post by soccer94 on Feb 23, 2018 10:32:00 GMT -8
The only thing that might save Malik on this is that the NCAA will need to proportionately punish every school and player on this and that includes major conferences like the ACC and schools like North Carolina and Duke that the NCAA does not like to take on or punish and may be scared to actually punish. Being that there are so many players and institutions involved, it is pretty uncharted territory for the NCAA and it will be interesting to see how they handle it. There may end up be slaps on the wrist for things that if one or two individuals had done would be serious or permanent suspensions.
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Post by mayham81 on Feb 23, 2018 10:33:34 GMT -8
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Post by fisherville on Feb 23, 2018 10:39:43 GMT -8
Yeah this seems like not a big deal, and it's hard to fault malik. And he could have repaid the money, who knows? But really the scam in all of this is the NCAA making so much money off the kids without giving them the money they are worth
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Post by 94sdsu on Feb 23, 2018 10:52:32 GMT -8
What genius created a balance sheet of compiling a list of their illegal benefits provided? And what genius didn't destroy that balance sheet 3 years later? I don't mean to detract from the situation, but wow that is some incompetence. The only thing this was missing was a postmarked envelope to the FBI. Same thing I was thinking....especially with the hand written notes on it! Why on earth is that paperwork still around?
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Post by sdsu2000 on Feb 23, 2018 11:40:50 GMT -8
Pope has been suspended and won't make the trip to SJSU.
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Post by mayham81 on Feb 23, 2018 11:49:47 GMT -8
Will be interesting to see if team's who's players were listed as taking way more do the same.
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Post by azson on Feb 23, 2018 11:50:37 GMT -8
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 23, 2018 11:51:01 GMT -8
Pope has been suspended and won't make the trip to SJSU. Dang that is sad, he could have taken care of that loan!
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Post by zollner on Feb 23, 2018 11:52:44 GMT -8
Just read an ESPN article about this scandal. They broke it down to active players who took loans and players that are playing in the NBA and took money, and players who had face to face meetings or dinner with the agent. Pope was not mentioned on the list of active players receiving money from this agent.
I guess it makes no difference now that he has been suspended. Shame for Pope. I don't see how this reflects on the SDSU basketball program.
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Post by MarshallU on Feb 23, 2018 11:56:32 GMT -8
that sucks! the inequity of the whole situation is maddening.
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Post by richpjr on Feb 23, 2018 11:58:42 GMT -8
Ugh - suspended and may not play again this season.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Feb 23, 2018 11:58:45 GMT -8
Pope has been suspended and won't make the trip to SJSU. Well, that answers my question, which was whether the coaches and athletic department officials knew about this and had already handled it. Apparently the taking care of it part wasn't done. Whether they knew about it is something else. It's a real shame that his teammates, coaches, fans and university have to be left in a lurch with just three games remaining in the regular season. Especially when we were starting to find our way a bit. This should have been dealt with at the beginning of the season. Money paid off, suspension served, etc. Now it has to happen as March looms. All that said, today's revelations strike me as being like a misdemeanor in a murder case, a minor sideshow. The key filings have been sealed. These documents are a drop in the bucket, comparatively. What the feds are dealing with will be much worse and hopefully won't involve us.
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