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Post by AztecWilliam on May 10, 2016 9:26:21 GMT -8
45,000 should be the minimum for any new SDSU stadium--especially if the Chargers take their ball and end up in Inglewood with Kroenke. Baylor, while downsizing, also has plans for a future expansion to 55,000 if needed, and I would imagine TCU could do something similar. All the things I have read, listened to & people I have talked to put max capacity at 40,000. It might even be 35,000-38,000. Certainly nothing is in stone but IMO something like what Colorado State is building would be perfect with a design that easily allows for expansion to 50,000 seats if needed would be perfect. Stanford & Oregon are a good model for us to follow as well. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! I strongly agree with SDSU-Alum2003. 40,000 would be the absolute minimum seating required. 45,000 would be better, with easy expansion to 50,000 or more planned for. 35,000 would be a problem from various points of view. First of all, if SDSU continues to build it program, we will easily get to 35,000 attendance for most games, and far more than that for important games. Secondly, we should consider the bowl games. In my interview with Vincent Mudd, (http://www.hitekradio.com/interviews.htm), Mr. Mudd said that the Holiday Bowl would have to be played in the proposed downtown NFL stadium, since it traditionally draw crowds of 50,000 to 60,000. But the Poinsettia Bowl would be fine in a smaller stadium. 40,000 for the P-Bowl would be marginal but doable. 35,000 would probably be too small. (If the downtown stadium is NOT built, the Holiday Bowl is in trouble. It's questionable whether it could be played in a 40,000 seat stadium. If the Aztec stadium has only 35,000 seats, is likely the H-Bowl would no longer be viable.) Bottom line: If SDSU seriously aspires to be being no worse than the second best G5 program, we cannot be building a stadium more appropriate for Sun Belt Conferecne schools. Best would be 45,000 to start. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 10, 2016 9:32:10 GMT -8
Big XII not impressed with our 2016 FB schedule of New Hampshire, Cal, No Illi and So Bama, then the MWC schedule that didn't include Boise St. We have 8 games on TV 6 on CBSN, one on ESPN2 and one more TBD on the ESPN networks, which could mean cable. We should I go 11-1 this season, maybe 10-2 if Fresneck beats us in beef country. What's your source for the statement about the Big-12 not being impressed with out schedule? Believe me, those guys damn well know why we don't have more high profile schools on the non-conference schedule. They know damn well that their members mostly refuse to play us here in San Diego, or even at home, for that matter. I am dubious about being invited to join the Big-12, but if we did join, we would be able to upgrade our schedule in no time. They know that. AzWm
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Post by survalli on May 10, 2016 10:35:47 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on May 10, 2016 10:38:35 GMT -8
All the things I have read, listened to & people I have talked to put max capacity at 40,000. It might even be 35,000-38,000. Certainly nothing is in stone but IMO something like what Colorado State is building would be perfect with a design that easily allows for expansion to 50,000 seats if needed would be perfect. Stanford & Oregon are a good model for us to follow as well. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS! I strongly agree with SDSU-Alum2003. 40,000 would be the absolute minimum seating required. 45,000 would be better, with easy expansion to 50,000 or more planned for. 35,000 would be a problem from various points of view. First of all, if SDSU continues to build it program, we will easily get to 35,000 attendance for most games, and far more than that for important games. Secondly, we should consider the bowl games. In my interview with Vincent Mudd, (http://www.hitekradio.com/interviews.htm), Mr. Mudd said that the Holiday Bowl would have to be played in the proposed downtown NFL stadium, since it traditionally draw crowds of 50,000 to 60,000. But the Poinsettia Bowl would be fine in a smaller stadium. 40,000 for the P-Bowl would be marginal but doable. 35,000 would probably be too small. (If the downtown stadium is NOT built, the Holiday Bowl is in trouble. It's questionable whether it could be played in a 40,000 seat stadium. If the Aztec stadium has only 35,000 seats, is likely the H-Bowl would no longer be viable.) Bottom line: If SDSU seriously aspires to be being no worse than the second best G5 program, we cannot be building a stadium more appropriate for Sun Belt Conferecne schools. Best would be 45,000 to start. AzWm I am confused. From reading your response, you go from "strongly agreeing" with SDSU-alum2003 to not really agreeing with him at all.
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Post by aardvark on May 10, 2016 10:45:28 GMT -8
When you say "Cal is broke" I assume you mean the state of California, and not the University of California. AzWm No, I think he is talking about the UC Berkeley athletics department--one of their annual expenditures is the paying off of their football stadium remodel (which still isn't even done yet) until the year 2113.
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Post by junior on May 10, 2016 11:48:02 GMT -8
Hope springs eternal…
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 10, 2016 16:48:41 GMT -8
I strongly agree with SDSU-Alum2003. 40,000 would be the absolute minimum seating required. 45,000 would be better, with easy expansion to 50,000 or more planned for. 35,000 would be a problem from various points of view. First of all, if SDSU continues to build it program, we will easily get to 35,000 attendance for most games, and far more than that for important games. Secondly, we should consider the bowl games. In my interview with Vincent Mudd, (http://www.hitekradio.com/interviews.htm), Mr. Mudd said that the Holiday Bowl would have to be played in the proposed downtown NFL stadium, since it traditionally draw crowds of 50,000 to 60,000. But the Poinsettia Bowl would be fine in a smaller stadium. 40,000 for the P-Bowl would be marginal but doable. 35,000 would probably be too small. (If the downtown stadium is NOT built, the Holiday Bowl is in trouble. It's questionable whether it could be played in a 40,000 seat stadium. If the Aztec stadium has only 35,000 seats, is likely the H-Bowl would no longer be viable.) Bottom line: If SDSU seriously aspires to be being no worse than the second best G5 program, we cannot be building a stadium more appropriate for Sun Belt Conferecne schools. Best would be 45,000 to start. AzWm I am confused. From reading your response, you go from "strongly agreeing" with SDSU-alum2003 to not really agreeing with him at all. Wrong! You are not the once who is confused. I am the one. I got in too much of a hurry and did not evaluate SDSU-Alum2003's post carefully. Let's just say that I am in favor of a stadium seating 45,000, designed so that expansion would be relatively easy,. and let it go at that. In the future, I will try to think more clearly before posting. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 10, 2016 16:50:54 GMT -8
When you say "Cal is broke" I assume you mean the state of California, and not the University of California. AzWm No, I think he is talking about the UC Berkeley athletics department--one of their annual expenditures is the paying off of their football stadium remodel (which still isn't even done yet) until the year 2113. Wow! I guess Cal's grads are not as rich as those of some other P5 schools. Or maybe they just prefer to contribute to Green Peace. AzWm
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Post by alamobruin on May 11, 2016 13:53:26 GMT -8
Want to impress the P5s? This is how you do it: www.commercialappeal.com/spor...378891691.htmlBy Phil Stukenborg of The Commercial Appeal FedEx is vowing to sponsor a Big 12 Conference football championship game and offer other incentives to bolster the University of Memphis' bid to become an expansion member of the Power Five conference, company chairman Frederick W. Smith said Tuesday in confirming a national report. Smith told The Commercial Appeal the Tigers in the Big 12 would be "a great thing for U of M and the city." The ESPN.com report also says the U of M vowed to make a $500 million investment in academic and athletic infrastructure during the next five years — an amount that president M. David Rudd has publicly touted, including in a December 2015 blog post, as already under way. The report — compiled from documents sent to West Virginia president Gordon Gee, one of three members of the Big 12 composition committee — detailed FedEx's involvement. In a letter Smith wrote to Rudd in late February, Smith said FedEx would be willing to support the expansion bid by becoming a major sponsor of conference football and basketball, including sponsorship of a Big 12 football championship game. Rudd sent his letter, and the letter from Smith, to Gee. Two other members of the Big 12's composition committee — Oklahoma president David Boren and Baylor president Ken Starr — were copied on the documents. "Yes," Rudd told The Commercial Appeal. "I'll confirm the letters are accurate." In his letter, Smith said "we strongly support the university's efforts to become a member of an expanded Big 12 athletic conference." When reached Tuesday, Smith said he hopes FedEx's commitment solidifies the U of M's bid, and said the company's commitment "is based on our analysis of other similar sponsorships' commercial value." "Our sports marketing department is very knowledgeable in this regard," Smith said. "We hope it helps." Memphis is among a group of schools lobbying to becoming expansion members of the Big 12 if the league decides to grow from its current 10-member setup. A recent consultant's findings said the league would increase its chances of being in the College Football Playoff by "10-15 percent" if it adds two teams and stages a league title game. Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, BYU, Colorado State and UConn are among other programs vying to become members of the Power Five conference, a much more lucrative association in which shared league revenues surpass $20 million per school annually. Memphis, by comparison, received less than $3 million from its shared American Athletic Conference revenue a year ago. In the ESPN.com report, documents obtained also revealed Gee making a late-November trip to the University of Houston to meet with school president Renu Khator and other school officials. Documents also showed presidents from Colorado State and Central Florida sent brochures to Gee promoting their schools to the conference. The Big 12 presidents and athletic directors will meet later this month in Irving, Texas, and expansion will be among the topics discussed. The creation of a conference television network and conducting a conference football championship also will be on the agenda. The 10 schools in the Big 12 are Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and West Virginia. Navigate Research, a Chicago-based analytics firm, presented its findings to the league earlier this month and suggested a 12-team league with an eight-game conference schedule and a title game would increase the Big 12's chances to reach the College Football Playoff by 10-15 percent to about 75 percent. The Big 12 currently plays a nine-game round-robin league schedule with no championship football game. Multiple national college football writers predict expansion will happen for the conference after several years of discussions but no action. As for what the U of M is proposing, a total of more than $500 million is being invested on campus and in the university neighborhood district, with more than $140 million in private funds, over the next five years. New athletic facilities are scheduled to be constructed on the school's Park Avenue Campus, including a new basketball practice facility and an indoor football practice facility. A ceremonial ground breaking was held for the 58,000-square-foot basketball complex in September. New U of M football coach Mike Norvell said he's been aware of the Big 12 talk involving Memphis, but hasn't had much time to delve into the conversation. "You know I've got my hands full with recruiting and making sure that we're getting everything going with where we're at," he said. "I know there's a lot of talk and a lot of buzz about it, but I'm leaving that to the decision-makers, the powers that be. I'm excited about where our program is going and what we're doing. I think just being here today, there's a tremendous excitement here in Memphis about what the Tiger football program is going to be all about. We're fired up about it."
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Post by standiego on May 11, 2016 14:28:22 GMT -8
So a possible question from a current B12 school . Is Fed X saying it will pay the Networks about 500 million for a championship game B12 game and for how long ? Of that money how much goes to each of the 12 schools if Memphis is a new member ?
Are we now in a bidding war among business as to who can buy a spot in the B12 ?
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Post by alamobruin on May 11, 2016 15:41:00 GMT -8
So a possible question from a current B12 school . Is Fed X saying it will pay the Networks about 500 million for a championship game B12 game and for how long ? Of that money how much goes to each of the 12 schools if Memphis is a new member ? Are we now in a bidding war among business as to who can buy a spot in the B12 ? I don't know where you are seeing that. FedEx has simply stated that they would be willing to be the name sponsor for a B12 championship game, and to provide UM with additional funding. The university has made the commitment to spend $500MM in infrastructure upgrades (they have already begun upgrades to the Liberty Bowl).
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Post by sdcoug on May 11, 2016 15:54:50 GMT -8
So a possible question from a current B12 school . Is Fed X saying it will pay the Networks about 500 million for a championship game B12 game and for how long ? Of that money how much goes to each of the 12 schools if Memphis is a new member ? Are we now in a bidding war among business as to who can buy a spot in the B12 ? Where did you see Fed X was going to pay $500MM for a championship game? U Memphis, overall, is willing to invest $500MM ($140MM privately funded) into academics and athletics over the next 5 years, meaning they could invest in expanding the curriculum and/or improving athletic facilities, such as adding basketball practice facility like we just added. Not sure how much of those donations would come from Fed Ex?
Fed Ex said they're willing to become a major sponsor of the conference, but the $500MM & them being a sponsor are different #'s. They didn't say exactly how much they were going to invest, unless I missed it. For instance, AT&T is an official sponsor of the P12, but I don't think they're annual investment is all that much (relatively speaking) & those monies go to the conference overall, then distributed to the schools.
If we add Mission Valley (SDSU West), including the new stadium, plus all the other facility improvements, we could probably make nearly the same claim as Memphis. My guess is there are a few corporations based in SD that might be willing to be involved in B12 sponsorships, given the opportunity. I'm sure the B12 is well aware of any and all corporations based in each of those cities (e.g. P&G in Cincy, etc.).
The problem is Memphis is located near B12 territory & we're not. If we could move SD county to New Mexico we'd be a no brainer for the B12 IMO, but then again none of us would want to live there.
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Post by standiego on May 11, 2016 19:10:18 GMT -8
Is Fed X indirectly saying if you select Memphis / buying their way into the B12?. Do we next see what the other companies in the other schools being considered are willing to put up to get their school into the B12 ? Do the Vols fans and the conference they play in have a say ?
Back to the original thought Money will be the deciding vote . Thought it would be TV market money but this looks as though what corporation can do it . .. could BYU just donate the 500 million or Marriott ?
Just for travel sake question . Is the direct flight cost or time from Austin (Longhorns ) or DFW ( TCU) to San Diego/ we do have a national airport here- that much worse then to ABQ ? Cincy or ....
Travel buddy is only needed for MBB . The minor sports could make it work . B12 unfortunately is a conference located in numerous smaller college towns . Do they prefer to stay that way or possibly add some major cities and states ? Is getting into CA better then going into CINCY - Buckeye BIG territory .
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Post by aztecfan1 on May 11, 2016 19:55:06 GMT -8
Wish we had a FedEx quality donor in our town. Failing in that, how about a partnership of the public employee unions from the California Teachers Union on down being our sugar daddy into the P5? Lord knows the public employee unions have the $$$$$$$$$ from all the dues they confiscate from unwilling members. Oh wait. Is that political? Nah, that's ok now as per our mod!
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Post by jdaztec on May 11, 2016 20:13:51 GMT -8
What about Qualcomm ? COSTCO ?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 11, 2016 22:39:24 GMT -8
Want to impress the P5s? This is how you do it: www.commercialappeal.com/spor...378891691.htmlBy Phil Stukenborg of The Commercial Appeal FedEx is vowing to sponsor a Big 12 Conference football championship game and offer other incentives to bolster the University of Memphis' bid to become an expansion member of the Power Five conference, company chairman Frederick W. Smith said Tuesday in confirming a national report. Smith told The Commercial Appeal the Tigers in the Big 12 would be "a great thing for U of M and the city." The ESPN.com report also says the U of M vowed to make a $500 million investment in academic and athletic infrastructure during the next five years — an amount that president M. David Rudd has publicly touted, including in a December 2015 blog post, as already under way. The report — compiled from documents sent to West Virginia president Gordon Gee, one of three members of the Big 12 composition committee — detailed FedEx's involvement. In a letter Smith wrote to Rudd in late February, Smith said FedEx would be willing to support the expansion bid by becoming a major sponsor of conference football and basketball, including sponsorship of a Big 12 football championship game. Rudd sent his letter, and the letter from Smith, to Gee. Two other members of the Big 12's composition committee — Oklahoma president David Boren and Baylor president Ken Starr — were copied on the documents. "Yes," Rudd told The Commercial Appeal. "I'll confirm the letters are accurate." In his letter, Smith said "we strongly support the university's efforts to become a member of an expanded Big 12 athletic conference." When reached Tuesday, Smith said he hopes FedEx's commitment solidifies the U of M's bid, and said the company's commitment "is based on our analysis of other similar sponsorships' commercial value." "Our sports marketing department is very knowledgeable in this regard," Smith said. "We hope it helps." Memphis is among a group of schools lobbying to becoming expansion members of the Big 12 if the league decides to grow from its current 10-member setup. A recent consultant's findings said the league would increase its chances of being in the College Football Playoff by "10-15 percent" if it adds two teams and stages a league title game. Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, BYU, Colorado State and UConn are among other programs vying to become members of the Power Five conference, a much more lucrative association in which shared league revenues surpass $20 million per school annually. Memphis, by comparison, received less than $3 million from its shared American Athletic Conference revenue a year ago. In the ESPN.com report, documents obtained also revealed Gee making a late-November trip to the University of Houston to meet with school president Renu Khator and other school officials. Documents also showed presidents from Colorado State and Central Florida sent brochures to Gee promoting their schools to the conference. The Big 12 presidents and athletic directors will meet later this month in Irving, Texas, and expansion will be among the topics discussed. The creation of a conference television network and conducting a conference football championship also will be on the agenda. The 10 schools in the Big 12 are Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and West Virginia. Navigate Research, a Chicago-based analytics firm, presented its findings to the league earlier this month and suggested a 12-team league with an eight-game conference schedule and a title game would increase the Big 12's chances to reach the College Football Playoff by 10-15 percent to about 75 percent. The Big 12 currently plays a nine-game round-robin league schedule with no championship football game. Multiple national college football writers predict expansion will happen for the conference after several years of discussions but no action. As for what the U of M is proposing, a total of more than $500 million is being invested on campus and in the university neighborhood district, with more than $140 million in private funds, over the next five years. New athletic facilities are scheduled to be constructed on the school's Park Avenue Campus, including a new basketball practice facility and an indoor football practice facility. A ceremonial ground breaking was held for the 58,000-square-foot basketball complex in September. New U of M football coach Mike Norvell said he's been aware of the Big 12 talk involving Memphis, but hasn't had much time to delve into the conversation. "You know I've got my hands full with recruiting and making sure that we're getting everything going with where we're at," he said. "I know there's a lot of talk and a lot of buzz about it, but I'm leaving that to the decision-makers, the powers that be. I'm excited about where our program is going and what we're doing. I think just being here today, there's a tremendous excitement here in Memphis about what the Tiger football program is going to be all about. We're fired up about it." Having a company such as FedEx on your side is certainly nice. The closest thing we might have would be Qualcomm. I'm not impressed with Memphis' pledge of $500 million on the campus and neighborhood district. SDSU already blows them away in that category. Here is a recent list of what SDSU has built or is currently building on campus… - Storm & Nasatir Hall Social Science/History Renovation completed - $73 million - Shiley BioScience Center completed - $14 million - Arts & Letters Building completed - $32 million - Zura Residence Hall renovation completed - $53 million - SDSU Basketball Practice Facility (Jam Center) completed - $15 million - Aztec Aquaplex completed - $12 million - SDSU Alumni Center completed - $10 million - New Aztec Student Union completed - $104 million - Calpulli Health and Counseling Center completed - $26 million - SDSU Engineering and Interdisciplinary Science Building under construction - $90 million - South Campus Plaza mixed use development under construction - $143 million That is $572 million of relatively recent or current projects at SDSU.In addition, the Campaign for SDSU has raised $602 million of its $750 million goal thus far.When SDSU WEST gets built it is currently proposed to include the following… 3,900 student apartments; 400 faculty housing; 200-room hotel; 630,000 square feet of academic and campus space; and, 200,000 square feet of commercial office space, possibly marketed to high-tech companies linked to campus research. 40 acres of open space and San Diego River Park The Aztec stadium, if not built within Qualcomm Stadium, would occupy 25.2 acres at the northeast corner of the site and contain 35,000 seats (40,000 max capacity). Garage and at-grade parking would offer 14,760 spaces
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 11, 2016 22:56:18 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 11, 2016 23:24:44 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfan1 on May 12, 2016 0:35:28 GMT -8
CSU is the step child to CU in their state. Talk is cheap. Takes money to buy whiskey.
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Post by uncledougy on May 12, 2016 2:42:48 GMT -8
People talk about a "travel buddy".....what exactly is that? What makes that a benefit?
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