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Post by aztecfanatico on May 2, 2016 18:24:46 GMT -8
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Post by mactec on May 2, 2016 18:33:38 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on May 2, 2016 18:58:51 GMT -8
UConn and BYU are up first.
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Post by SD Johnny on May 2, 2016 19:08:02 GMT -8
Byu would be awesome as they'd be going west.
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Post by chris92065 on May 2, 2016 20:04:45 GMT -8
Quick summary:
Computer model ran 40k simulations and data suggests having 12 members increased chances of entering play-offs.
250 a mil year contract concerns are raised about staying financially competitive financially.
Up to presidents and chancellors on expansion.
Decision will be made soon.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 2, 2016 20:50:20 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 2, 2016 21:14:11 GMT -8
UConn and BYU are up first. UConn instead of Cincinnati? That I doubt. But if it happened, I wonder what effect it would have on the better AAC schools. Cincy, Houston, Navy, and Memphis might realize that joining a P5 conference would forever be a very long shot. They might start thinking about that mythical Best of the Rest conference we have discussed. The aforementioned four schools might consider that a conference with SDSU, Boise, Fresno, and UNLV might be a good idea. Possibly the best Mid American schools, Bowling Green and Northern Illinois, could be added. That would be 10 schools, enough for two divisions.
I have all along thought that forming a new conference would be very difficult. I still feel that way. But if it looks as if the P5 has reached its limit, the best of the G5 would be well advised to create the Best of the Rest. That would be preferable to remaining in the moldering conferences we now inhabit. We could call it the TAC (Transcontinental Athletic Conference).
It's just a thought.
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Post by hoobs on May 3, 2016 2:39:45 GMT -8
We need this vote to take place *after* the Q site issue is resolved and official plans for SDSU West are announced... |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 7:25:16 GMT -8
The timing of this is probably not so good as opposed to a year down the line when we potentially could be coming off an undefeated season with a brand new stadium in the works.
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Post by aztecgold on May 3, 2016 7:36:08 GMT -8
The timing of this is probably not so good as opposed to a year down the line when we potentially could be coming off an undefeated season with a brand new stadium in the works. Yep, bad news for the Aztecs. They could use a little more time to build up their rep and get a new stadium. |
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2016 8:29:09 GMT -8
Let's see if and when ,the B12 actually votes on expanding to 12 teams and dates it will start . As we have already heard , various schools want different things . West Virginia wants a travel partner . The lower level schools want teams that they can beat in football so they can get to a Bowl game. there is not much chance they will elevate Houston or SMU to P5 level , it would severely hurt the current teams in recruiting . right now ISU is a P5 and Houston is not . Some want schools in CA or FL to expand recruiting and may want places they may enjoy travel to . Biggest majority want schools that will help the TV deal - MORE Money . That means and sells the easiest to the schools . As was the case in NFL going to LA . Money talks very loudly . What schools that B12 can add will help increase the TV deal .?
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Post by SD Johnny on May 3, 2016 8:48:18 GMT -8
We aren't make the two team list so this isn't a big deal.
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Post by laaztec on May 3, 2016 8:51:10 GMT -8
The timing of this is probably not so good as opposed to a year down the line when we potentially could be coming off an undefeated season with a brand new stadium in the works. SDSU would Never be team number 11 or 12 in Big 12 expansion. SDSU's best chance to get into the Big 12 is as the 15th or 16th team. We still have time. |
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Post by 94sdsu on May 3, 2016 8:51:48 GMT -8
Ideally, UWV bolts the Big 12 and gets together with UConn to join the ACC.
That would completely eliminate the UWV issues and allow western expansion. Hopefully the Big 12 could then take 2 western and 2 eastern. If the are smart and want to get in other markets to drastically increase their TV dollars, they (in no particular order) take....
1. SDSU and BYU, thereby getting a Pacific and Mountain time zone and TV slots while jumping with 2 feet into the Pac12 market.
2. UCF and USF, thereby getting squarely into the SEC and ACC markets.
3. Memphis and Cincy, thereby getting into the Big 10 and SEC markets.
I could see # 3 happening pretty easily, then # 1, then #2 if only 2 schools are taken.
If 4 teams are taken, #1 & 3 make them most TV money, so hopefully that'd be they way they go.
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Post by wakelaunch on May 3, 2016 9:18:31 GMT -8
Ideally, UWV bolts the Big 12 and gets together with UConn to join the ACC. That would completely eliminate the UWV issues and allow western expansion. Hopefully the Big 12 could then take 2 western and 2 eastern. If the are smart and want to get in other markets to drastically increase their TV dollars, they (in no particular order) take.... 1. SDSU and BYU, thereby getting a Pacific and Mountain time zone and TV slots while jumping with 2 feet into the Pac12 market. 2. UCF and USF, thereby getting squarely into the SEC and ACC markets. 3. Memphis and Cincy, thereby getting into the Big 10 and SEC markets. I could see # 3 happening pretty easily, then # 1, then #2 if only 2 schools are taken. If 4 teams are taken, #1 & 3 make them most TV money, so hopefully that'd be they way they go. Makes so much sense |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 3, 2016 9:47:02 GMT -8
Let's see if and when ,the B12 actually votes on expanding to 12 teams and dates it will start . As we have already heard , various schools want different things . West Virginia wants a travel partner . The lower level schools want teams that they can beat in football so they can get to a Bowl game. there is not much chance they will elevate Houston or SMU to P5 level , it would severely hurt the current teams in recruiting . right now ISU is a P5 and Houston is not . Some want schools in CA or FL to expand recruiting and may want places they may enjoy travel to . Biggest majority want schools that will help the TV deal - MORE Money . That means and sells the easiest to the schools . As was the case in NFL going to LA . Money talks very loudly . What schools that B12 can add will help increase the TV deal .? Really? Who are the "some" who want schools in California? Outside of Aztec fans, I am not aware that ANYBODY has suggested that the Big-12 is going any farther west than Provo. I've read a lot of news items, reports, etc. and NOT ONCE has the possibility of Big-12 expansion been brought up *. On the other hand, AFA, Colorado State, and I think one or two other "western" schools are sometimes mentioned, but never the CA or Nev. schools. We need to get over the idea, which is simply a desperation hope, that SDSU is going to join the Big-12. Not going to happen. It's either join the AAC (unlikely), try to create a "Best of the Rest" conference (a good idea, but dauntingly hard to pull off; the creation of the MWC was a snap compared to creating a conference containing schools from two or three different conferences widely separated geographically), or continue to limp along in the MWC and console ourselves with the knowledge that we don't have to associate with the likes of Kent State and Louisiana Monroe. AzWm *Actually, there was that article about of year ago, can't remember the author, that rated a dozen or more colleges' chances of joining the Big-12. Cincinnati was rated the highest. SDSU was given some complements, but our location was considered a deal breaker. |
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Post by hoobs on May 3, 2016 10:02:53 GMT -8
The timing of this is probably not so good as opposed to a year down the line when we potentially could be coming off an undefeated season with a brand new stadium in the works. SDSU would Never be team number 11 or 12 in Big 12 expansion. SDSU's best chance to get into the Big 12 is as the 15th or 16th team. We still have time. Mmmmmm, I'd say 13th or 14th with SDSU West. |
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Post by obboy13 on May 3, 2016 10:04:15 GMT -8
Let's see if and when ,the B12 actually votes on expanding to 12 teams and dates it will start . As we have already heard , various schools want different things . West Virginia wants a travel partner . The lower level schools want teams that they can beat in football so they can get to a Bowl game. there is not much chance they will elevate Houston or SMU to P5 level , it would severely hurt the current teams in recruiting . right now ISU is a P5 and Houston is not . Some want schools in CA or FL to expand recruiting and may want places they may enjoy travel to . Biggest majority want schools that will help the TV deal - MORE Money . That means and sells the easiest to the schools . As was the case in NFL going to LA . Money talks very loudly . What schools that B12 can add will help increase the TV deal .? Really? Who are the "some" who want schools in California? Outside of Aztec fans, I am not aware that ANYBODY has suggested that the Big-12 is going any farther west than Provo. I've read a lot of news items, reports, etc. and NOT ONCE has the possibility of Big-12 expansion been brought up *. On the other hand, AFA, Colorado State, and I think one or two other "western" schools are sometimes mentioned, but never the CA or Nev. schools. We need to get over the idea, which is simply a desperation hope, that SDSU is going to join the Big-12. Not going to happen. It's either join the AAC (unlikely), try to create a "Best of the Rest" conference (a good idea, but dauntingly hard to pull off; the creation of the MWC was a snap compared to creating a conference containing schools from two or three different conferences widely separated geographically), or continue to limp along in the MWC and console ourselves with the knowledge that we don't have to associate with the likes of Kent State and Louisiana Monroe. AzWm *Actually, there was that article about of year ago, can't remember the author, that rated a dozen or more colleges' chances of joining the Big-12. Cincinnati was rated the highest. SDSU was given some complements, but our location was considered a deal breaker. Don't really like it Wm, but I'm afraid you're exactly right. Sometimes reality hurts. Could we at least work on making the MWC "Hairless"? |
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Post by standiego on May 3, 2016 11:29:20 GMT -8
As I mentioned for the majority of B12 schools . There is 1 major issue MONEY . If B12 also includes the TV networks in the expansion talk to see how much money they would up the TV deal . California is a very key market for TV and SDSU is a way to get their foot in the door . Recruiting could also increase in CA if SDSU was a member . Talk with B12 schools that used to come here for Holiday Bowl - off the record, many wished SDSU was a member of the B12 .
Expansion talk for B12 is going to 12 teams , doubt they increase 40% going from 10 to 14 teams . More of a wish or prayer for those of us hoping to get into B12
AAC with 10 million dollar exit fee , doubt any team finds it worth it to join a New Conference . Just add SDSU and another team from the West is all that needs to be done .
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Post by HollywoodAztec on May 3, 2016 11:53:06 GMT -8
Here's an interesting article regarding Cincinnati. They seem to be putting a full court pressure on Big 12's powers-that-be. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/13/inside-ucs-bid-join-big-12/80280488/ If the Big 12 expands, it most likely will add two schools to get back to 12 members. UC is believed to be competing with about a half-dozen schools, including BYU and current American Athletic Conference rivals Connecticut and Central Florida. UC and BYU appear to be the front-runners, according to Sports Illustrated.
In the end, though, it may not be about which school puts forth the best effort to impress the Big 12’s decision makers.
“It’s all about TV,” said Lee Igel, a sports business expert and co-director of New York University’s Sports & Society program.
And TV money seems to be a major reason the Big 12 has not been in a hurry to expand since losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and Colorado, starting in 2011. (The conference added West Virginia and TCU in 2012 to get to 10 members.)
"The problem with the glut of unattractive candidates is there's a concern the league won't be able to keep the same share of television money if it expands," Sport Illustrated's Pete Thamel recently wrote. "The general thought in the conference is that adding two teams would get the Big 12 close to where it is now revenue wise." |
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