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Post by bolt1963 on May 4, 2016 18:19:41 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 18:28:38 GMT -8
And as an Aztec fan I am super duper interested in what OU fans think... I know from reading posts here that fans everywhere certainly know exactly what is happening at all times. This thread is about expansion of the Big 12, right? You should be super duper interested in Oklahoma's perspective considering they are the only school with the juice to get Texas to expand. Here's a Texas tidbit from the other day. I get this stuff offline - not just throwing **** against the wall. It's all speculation until it's not. If you don't want the color, don't read it.
www.mystatesman.com/news/sports/bohls-on-the-search-for-an-ad-better-nba-officiati/nrGkg/"It's all speculation until it's not." Wow! You are an expert. So I guess that means we agree, currently, it's all speculation. And I am pretty sure adding more or different fan speculation won't change the fact that it's speculation. And don't worry I didn't read it... I'm guessing you summed it up just fine for us.
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Post by bolt1963 on May 4, 2016 18:32:03 GMT -8
This thread is about expansion of the Big 12, right? You should be super duper interested in Oklahoma's perspective considering they are the only school with the juice to get Texas to expand. Here's a Texas tidbit from the other day. I get this stuff offline - not just throwing **** against the wall. It's all speculation until it's not. If you don't want the color, don't read it.
www.mystatesman.com/news/sports/bohls-on-the-search-for-an-ad-better-nba-officiati/nrGkg/"It's all speculation until it's not." Wow! You are an expert. So I guess that means we agree, currently, it's all speculation. And I am pretty sure adding more or different fan speculation won't change the fact that it's speculation. And don't worry I didn't read it... I'm guessing you summed it up just fine for us. You're an angry little guy. And yes, it's speculation. There is educated speculation and throwing $#!+ against the wall. I offer the former. Feel free to ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 18:40:22 GMT -8
"It's all speculation until it's not." Wow! You are an expert. So I guess that means we agree, currently, it's all speculation. And I am pretty sure adding more or different fan speculation won't change the fact that it's speculation. And don't worry I didn't read it... I'm guessing you summed it up just fine for us. You're an angry little dude. I wonder if that qualifies as a personal attack. Nahh, I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it. Anyhow, I just call it like I see it... I am open to reading others opinions but not when they are passed around as facts. Which you seem to have a knack for doing. (Btw, I would love to see the Aztecs out of this conference and into a P5 but I'm not sure it can or will ever happen. I won't begin to speculate on it though...) (Edit note, since you added your qualification later:... Educated speculation? Not sure that changes the underlying issue but that's cool. Maybe you are the one who is angry here?)
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Post by bolt1963 on May 4, 2016 19:13:18 GMT -8
Anyhow, I just call it like I see it... I am open to reading others opinions but not when they are passed around as facts. Which you seem to have a knack for doing. Everything in my original post presented as fact are indeed facts. The speculation was mostly presented as speculation. I can find a sentence or two you would have a problem with - but again, it's very educated speculation. Bold are facts. David Boren - President of Oklahoma - is driving this bus. Again, Texas has zero desire to expand the conference. They are travel adverse, make more money than anyone else, have ESPN locked into LHN and enjoy ruling their fiefdom. It's really hard to see the Big 12 schools having the stones to stand up to Texas and vote something through they are against. Hasn't happened before - why you saw the Four State Flagship schools leave.
So what has Boren asked of Texas?
1. Expand with two G5 schools.
2. Give up LHN and roll it into a Big 12 Network.
3. Extend the GOR.
The thought of many OU fans is they know this is an impossible ask and when it fails - Oklahoma will have the grounds to leave the conference for the Big 10 and break the GOR without penalty. OR they could be wrong and Boren really does want to expand and force Texas' hand. I'd bet my life on the Big 12 not expanding past 12. They are never going to add more than two G5 schools. Their President is already pissed enough with the academic profile and losing 4 AAU schools last round. But if they do expand, they are more than likely heading East. As already stated, Cincinatti would be a bridge to West Virginia. Then you find one more. Even if they did head West - they'd go to Colorado State or BYU first.
Now where SDSU does have a leg up is if Texas does roll LHN into a Big 12 Network and they are looking for cable households vs. metered markets since their TV contract allegedly provides pro rata with expansion. If you run the numbers of cable households in the Big 12 footprint - there is no expansion model that would make Texas whole (average 15M a year) and have enough money to pay out the rest the conference members. Again, another reason many believe the Big 12 Network is an impossible ask and non starter. Not to even mention the inventory issue the conference has as they sold much more of their rights to ESPN/Fox than the SEC, Big 10 or PAC 12. They don't have inventory to throw onto a Big 12 Network - one lousy OOC game each.
Could go on and on. But yeah guys - it's damn near impossible to see a scenario SDSU can jump ahead IF IF IF they do expand. Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/50580/big-takes-step-deciding-expansion#ixzz47kOQdaTA
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Post by laaztec on May 4, 2016 19:14:39 GMT -8
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Post by frustratedfan on May 4, 2016 19:23:40 GMT -8
I would be fine with the BIG XII dissolving. That would precipitate a BOR conference forming that would include the best of the MWC/AAC/BIG XII leftovers/BYU. SDSU would most certainly be a member of that conference and it would be a significant step above the MWC. This. It would be a formidable conference K K st Tcu Texas tech Baylor Houston Smu Byu Sdsu Unlv Not a bad start I am Jonesin'. Boy, I hope the Big 12 falls apart and this type of conference comes of it. That would be swwweeeet!
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 4, 2016 19:23:54 GMT -8
It would be a formidable conference KK st Tcu Texas tech Baylor Houston Smu Byu Sdsu Unlv Not a bad start Kansas would be gobbled up by the B1G, but otherwise yes... I agree. Negative ghost rider, they chose UN over KU already and have no interst in KU now.
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Post by bolt1963 on May 4, 2016 20:06:36 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 5, 2016 11:38:30 GMT -8
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 5, 2016 13:18:19 GMT -8
The only thing I really disagree with is CSU. They do not deliver the Denver market, if you want TVs then AFA would be a better choice. Having said that, SDSU is easily a better choice than either CSU or AFA.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on May 5, 2016 13:39:51 GMT -8
The only thing I really disagree with is CSU. They do not deliver the Denver market, if you want TVs then AFA would be a better choice. Having said that, SDSU is easily a better choice than either CSU or AFA. Agree. Sure would help the perception of SDSU if "SDSU WEST" was already built or at the very least SDSU was already in possession of the real estate and working on entitling the property and the master-plan. Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by sdmotohead on May 5, 2016 15:13:29 GMT -8
Unless we're in the discussion of being invited into the BIG XII I don't give a rat's arse about them.
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Post by survalli on May 5, 2016 16:08:13 GMT -8
Television ratings are a scam, lopsided in favor of east coast markets. Big12 has no interest in heading west. They are interested in going east, the land of TV sets ya know?
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Post by retiredaztec on May 5, 2016 22:42:43 GMT -8
U of Cincy 's biggest appeal is a traveling buddy for West Virginia . the Buckeyes and BIG control Ohio and most of the TV markets in the mid west . Not sure Cincy is a draw TV market wise . TV Money will be one of the major factors in the decision.. Where is TV market bigger /better SD or Cincy ? We do not own CA but good share of San Diego County but need to do more in the South Bay areas . By expanding to 12 teams means each current team in B12 gets a smaller slice of TV money so need to find ways to get more , 14 teams really makes a dent in the money pie. MONEY is the key issue The Big-10 and SEC remain the "big ticket" conferences. "However, before the BYU-to-the-Big 12 speculation starts again, that league makes about half of what Big Ten and SEC schools will make, so would Big 12 member schools want to further divide that TV money — which would increase some, but apparently not proportionally to two or more new members?
The Big Ten will get $250 million for half its Tier 1 rights; the Pac-12 gets roughly $250 million a year for ALL of its Tier-1 rights".www.sltrib.com/home/3848873-155/scott-d-pierce-big-ten-tvYes, my personal reality is, if the Big 12 were to expand by two, SDSU would not be a part of the equation. Any new members would have to be strong candidates. Talk of expanding to 14+ would only, (again, my reality), be after a Big East type exodus that would find the conference looking to the likes of SDSU for survival. (I still can't see, that personal reality again, the likes of UT, OU and Baylor ever joining with the likes of SDSU, even with an "SDSU West" ).
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Post by standiego on May 6, 2016 8:37:31 GMT -8
So maybe we wait until the meetings actually happen and we hear what the B12 is really going to do ?
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Post by SD Johnny on May 6, 2016 9:07:09 GMT -8
So maybe we wait until the meetings actually happen and we hear what the B12 is really going to do ? Maybe let the adults continue to talk about if they'd like?
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 6, 2016 9:41:23 GMT -8
Sounds great! Where do I sign up? Oh, that's right, I already did sign up; Class of '64. Look, here's the deal. All the positive assets we have should be of interest to the Big-12. Should be, but apparently are not, since the only schools that get mentioned again and again regarding Big-12 expansion are BYU, Cincinnati, and sometimes UConn, South Florida, and Central Florida. We are prejudiced. We love the school and the area. And, to be objective, the assets we point to are not imaginary. On the other hand, the Great Middle West seems to think the country west of the Rockies is still the Wild West. AzLWm You're giving way too much weight to random bloggers and writers. We have no idea if the assets we offer, as compared to Cincy or whoever, should be or are of interest to the B12. The only people who know that right now are Bowlsby & a few others he has involved in exploring expansion. Not someone on ESPN, Ohio Press, Texas Crap Paper, etc.
What we do know is our administration has talked to Bowlsby & have been in communication. Where that goes, who knows?
Yes, we're prejudiced, but so are 99% of the writers/bloggers writing these articles.
I would be more inclined to be sympathetic to your views if there were at least a few cases of commentators mentioning the name San Diego State University in the context of Big-12 expansion. Yes, SDSU has positive assets that should make it an excellent candidate for Big-12 expansion.
But it also has one obvious negative. That is our location at the extreme southwestern corner of the Lower 48 states. I understand that a case can be made for the inclusion of SDSU on the grounds that it opens up a beachhead in California. I'm still waiting for evidence that this reasoning is shared by the people who count, namely the decision makers in the Big-12 conference.
As things stand now, it looks like BYU and one other school (likely Cincinnati) will be the first ones given an invitation. My own view is that the Big-12 is likely to be quite satisfied with 12 members. The often mentioned speculation about 16 member P5 conferences seems fanciful to me. For one thing, four 16 member P5 conferences would assume the death of one of the current P5 leagues. Which of those is going to volunteer to fall on its sword?
The most important, and uncomfortable, fact is that our location makes the Pac-12 the most sense when thinking of which major conference we might join. But at the same time its also true that that Pac-12 would never invite us unless maybe two or three of their current members were destroyed by giant meteorite strikes.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 6, 2016 9:51:11 GMT -8
David Boren - President of Oklahoma - is driving this bus. Again, Texas has zero desire to expand the conference. They are travel adverse, make more money than anyone else, have ESPN locked into LHN and enjoy ruling their fiefdom. It's really hard to see the Big 12 schools having the stones to stand up to Texas and vote something through they are against. Hasn't happened before - why you saw the Four State Flagship schools leave. So what has Boren asked of Texas? 1. Expand with two G5 schools. 2. Give up LHN and roll it into a Big 12 Network. 3. Extend the GOR. The thought of many OU fans is they know this is an impossible ask and when it fails - Oklahoma will have the grounds to leave the conference for the Big 10 and break the GOR without penalty. OR they could be wrong and Boren really does want to expand and force Texas' hand. I'd bet my life on the Big 12 not expanding past 12. They are never going to add more than two G5 schools. Their President is already pissed enough with the academic profile and losing 4 AAU schools last round. But if they do expand, they are more than likely heading East. As already stated, Cincinatti would be a bridge to West Virginia. Then you find one more. Even if they did head West - they'd go to Colorado State or BYU first. Now where SDSU does have a leg up is if Texas does roll LHN into a Big 12 Network and they are looking for cable households vs. metered markets since their TV contract allegedly provides pro rata with expansion. If you run the numbers of cable households in the Big 12 footprint - there is no expansion model that would make Texas whole (average 15M a year) and have enough money to pay out the rest the conference members. Again, another reason many believe the Big 12 Network is an impossible ask and non starter. Not to even mention the inventory issue the conference has as they sold much more of their rights to ESPN/Fox than the SEC, Big 10 or PAC 12. They don't have inventory to throw onto a Big 12 Network - one lousy OOC game each. Could go on and on. But yeah guys - it's damn near impossible to see a scenario SDSU can jump ahead IF IF IF they do expand. I would hate to see you put your very life on the line like that, but I think you are correct. Twelve members would be fine for the Big-12. ( I have to think that we are no better than third, and possibly not that high, on the Big-12's expansion candidate list.) They are not stupid; why expand further. The old 16-member WAC didn't work out so well.
AzWm
PS: What a burn it would be to see Colorado State invited and not us! However, I think that's a pretty long shot.
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 6, 2016 10:06:47 GMT -8
No. The Big 12 would not survive without Texas or Oklahoma for that matter. At least not ad a P5 conference. Interesting question. Let's see what would be left after a Texas departure. Baylor Iowa St. Kansas Kansas St. Oklahoma Oklahoma St. TCU Texas Tech West Virginia That's still a pretty good lineup of FBS schools. Five or six of them have solid football programs. It's also a good group of basketball schools. I think they would still be P5. Weaker than the BiG, the Pac-12, and the SEC, to be sure. but not much worse than the ACC. If Oklahoma were to leave as well as Texas, all bets would be off. This is silly, really. None of the current Big-12 members is likely to bolt. AzWm
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