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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 1, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -8
July 26, 2011 www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2011/jul/26/sdsu-coach-long-it-takes-five-years/OK, five years to build a program. Hoke and Rocky took over in 2009. 2013 was the fifth year of rebuilding. Rocky has personally been in charge of recruiting for five years himself. This is year seven of the rebuilding of the program, year five Rocky has been in total control. Did he mean 7-5 regular season records when he was talking about being a winner year after year? Just asking. He set the goals and expectations in 2011... |
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Post by ab on Oct 1, 2015 9:19:16 GMT -8
Similar to what Rocky said last year before the season started and I'll paraphrase....we have as much talent as any other team in the conference so if we don't win it's the coach's fault.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 1, 2015 9:26:45 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 9:35:48 GMT -8
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Post by sdsu2000 on Oct 1, 2015 9:43:12 GMT -8
Well his new thing is we don't have the money to be like those schools. Which is concerning that your head coach admits the inability to make it to the next level and everyone is ok with that. If he doesn't think we can get there we should be finding someone who believes he can get us there.
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Post by fisherville on Oct 1, 2015 9:43:53 GMT -8
I remember this
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 1, 2015 9:54:29 GMT -8
#NoMoreExcuses
Hey, Rocky, please get it done THIS YEAR or get out of the way and let somebody else do it.
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Post by laaztec on Oct 1, 2015 10:30:36 GMT -8
This interview is chock full of excuses. www.mighty1090.com/episode/rocky-long-were-not-nervous-playing-against-anybody/I do agree with him about SDSU being at a huge disadvantage with lack of funds but now he is pushing his 5 year plan to year 7 or 8. He says in the interview that they didn't start beating P5 schools at UNM until year 7 or 8 of his tenure there. Funny how the target keeps getting moved. |
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2015 10:38:40 GMT -8
July 26, 2011 www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2011/jul/26/sdsu-coach-long-it-takes-five-years/OK, five years to build a program. Hoke and Rocky took over in 2009. 2013 was the fifth year of rebuilding. Rocky has personally been in charge of recruiting for five years himself. This is year seven of the rebuilding of the program, year five Rocky has been in total control. Did he mean 7-5 regular season records when he was talking about being a winner year after year? Just asking. He set the goals and expectations in 2011... He meant "Goat". Swap "player" for "goat", and you now have an accurate statement by Rocky Retread. Of course, he has recently changed the timeframe to 10 years. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 1, 2015 10:38:40 GMT -8
This interview is chock full of excuses. www.mighty1090.com/episode/rocky-long-were-not-nervous-playing-against-anybody/I do agree with him about SDSU being at a huge disadvantage with lack of funds but now he is pushing his 5 year plan to year 7 or 8. He says in the interview that they didn't start beating P5 schools at UNM until year 7 or 8 of his tenure there. Funny how the target keeps getting moved. Funny how even his best year at New Mexico wasn't all that great (good, but no better than 2012 or 2013 here). And then the program fell apart while he was still there... |
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Post by fanhood on Oct 1, 2015 11:03:58 GMT -8
What is the point of this thread? Is it to remind this of us on this board that Rocky set the bar high, and has failed to meet it? Is it to show and point out, that we are not where we want to be?
I understand your goal is to get Rocky fired, but how would this effect that outcome? At the end of the day, Jim Sterk will evaluate the state of the program at the END OF THE SEASON? He will look at trends, the effort from the players, wins and losses, injuries, competitiveness, enthusiasm, etc. The fact that Rocky said in 2011 that his goal was to be like Boise State, TCU, or Utah, is irrelevant to any of these metrics. Every coach want to be those programs.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 1, 2015 11:09:34 GMT -8
What is the point of this thread? Is it to remind this of us on this board that Rocky set the bar high, and has failed to meet it? Is it to show and point out, that we are not where we want to be? I understand your goal is to get Rocky fired, but how would this effect that outcome? At the end of the day, Jim Sterk will evaluate the state of the program at the END OF THE SEASON? He will look at trends, the effort from the players, wins and losses, injuries, competitiveness, enthusiasm, etc. The fact that Rocky said in 2011 that his goal was to be like Boise State, TCU, or Utah, is irrelevant to any of these metrics. Every coach want to be those programs. I could be wrong but I assume it's to show exactly what L.A.Aztec suggests: that Rocky is playing move the target so what he says now needs to be taken with a big grain of salt. Do you disagree with that analysis? To your second point, if you don't think the opinion of hardcore fans like us means anything and you're correct, we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:17:43 GMT -8
This interview is chock full of excuses. www.mighty1090.com/episode/rocky-long-were-not-nervous-playing-against-anybody/I do agree with him about SDSU being at a huge disadvantage with lack of funds but now he is pushing his 5 year plan to year 7 or 8. He says in the interview that they didn't start beating P5 schools at UNM until year 7 or 8 of his tenure there. Funny how the target keeps getting moved. Whatever disadvantages exist, they only hurt us against P5's and top G5s, we should dominate everyone else either way. We haven't done that, so excuses or no its time to give RL his walking papers. Only a matter of time before someone in the media show's Rocky his words in 2011, maybe then he'll step down at the end of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:23:17 GMT -8
Is this still a debate?
He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that?
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2015 11:27:40 GMT -8
What is the point of this thread? Is it to remind this of us on this board that Rocky set the bar high, and has failed to meet it? Is it to show and point out, that we are not where we want to be? I understand your goal is to get Rocky fired, but how would this effect that outcome? At the end of the day, Jim Sterk will evaluate the state of the program at the END OF THE SEASON? He will look at trends, the effort from the players, wins and losses, injuries, competitiveness, enthusiasm, etc. The fact that Rocky said in 2011 that his goal was to be like Boise State, TCU, or Utah, is irrelevant to any of these metrics. Every coach want to be those programs. To quite dramatically point out what a joke this program has become under the Rocky Bomb and Sterky. With Rocky's quote from 2011 saying so proudly: But it’s only Year Three in the rebuilding process, he said. To get where he wants to be, it’s probably going to take two more years after this season – Long’s first as head coach of the Aztecs.Please note that nowhere is he using the money card as a reason for holding us back from being a "national program". But in 2015, he raises "unfairness", lack of money, and is quoted as needing 10 years, not 5. And of course, THAT starting point is no longer as above, but from the time he became HC, so somewhere around 2021, we can expect us to be a "national program". We need him gone now, not the end of the year. Of course, we all know what will actually happen. Happy Hirshman, Rocky Retread and Quirky Sterky, will all party together and tell us how great the football program is doing. And guess what, we can't tell you, but trust us, we have top Secret Plans, which we'll share with all those in the Cognoscenti. |
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Post by fanhood on Oct 1, 2015 11:40:42 GMT -8
What is the point of this thread? Is it to remind this of us on this board that Rocky set the bar high, and has failed to meet it? Is it to show and point out, that we are not where we want to be? I understand your goal is to get Rocky fired, but how would this effect that outcome? At the end of the day, Jim Sterk will evaluate the state of the program at the END OF THE SEASON? He will look at trends, the effort from the players, wins and losses, injuries, competitiveness, enthusiasm, etc. The fact that Rocky said in 2011 that his goal was to be like Boise State, TCU, or Utah, is irrelevant to any of these metrics. Every coach want to be those programs. To quite dramatically point out what a joke this program has become under the Rocky Bomb and Sterky. With Rocky's quote from 2011 saying so proudly: But it’s only Year Three in the rebuilding process, he said. To get where he wants to be, it’s probably going to take two more years after this season – Long’s first as head coach of the Aztecs.Please note that nowhere is he using the money card as a reason for holding us back from being a "national program". But in 2015, he raises "unfairness", lack of money, and is quoted as needing 10 years, not 5. And of course, THAT starting point is no longer as above, but from the time he became HC, so somewhere around 2021, we can expect us to be a "national program". We need him gone now, not the end of the year. Of course, we all know what will actually happen. Happy Hirshman, Rocky Retread and Quirky Sterky, will all party together and tell us how great the football program is doing. And guess what, we can't tell you, but trust us, we have top Secret Plans, which we'll share with all those in the Cognoscenti. Firing Rocky now, as opposed to seeing how the season plays out is moronic. If we go 6-6 I would even consider agreeing he should be fired. However, what happens if we win out and go 9-3? My point is, firing a coach mid-year provides you no advantages whatsoever. It is silly. |
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2015 11:52:26 GMT -8
To quite dramatically point out what a joke this program has become under the Rocky Bomb and Sterky. With Rocky's quote from 2011 saying so proudly: But it’s only Year Three in the rebuilding process, he said. To get where he wants to be, it’s probably going to take two more years after this season – Long’s first as head coach of the Aztecs.Please note that nowhere is he using the money card as a reason for holding us back from being a "national program". But in 2015, he raises "unfairness", lack of money, and is quoted as needing 10 years, not 5. And of course, THAT starting point is no longer as above, but from the time he became HC, so somewhere around 2021, we can expect us to be a "national program". We need him gone now, not the end of the year. Of course, we all know what will actually happen. Happy Hirshman, Rocky Retread and Quirky Sterky, will all party together and tell us how great the football program is doing. And guess what, we can't tell you, but trust us, we have top Secret Plans, which we'll share with all those in the Cognoscenti. Firing Rocky now, as opposed to seeing how the season plays out is moronic. If we go 6-6 I would even consider agreeing he should be fired. However, what happens if we win out and go 9-3? My point is, firing a coach mid-year provides you no advantages whatsoever. It is silly. I assume that you know, your opprobrium notwithstanding, that my opinion is as valid as yours. And I disagree with you, and your conclusion, about firing him now. But not to worry, we both know that that won't happen...yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:52:25 GMT -8
What is the point of this thread? Is it to remind this of us on this board that Rocky set the bar high, and has failed to meet it? Is it to show and point out, that we are not where we want to be? I understand your goal is to get Rocky fired, but how would this effect that outcome? At the end of the day, Jim Sterk will evaluate the state of the program at the END OF THE SEASON? He will look at trends, the effort from the players, wins and losses, injuries, competitiveness, enthusiasm, etc. The fact that Rocky said in 2011 that his goal was to be like Boise State, TCU, or Utah, is irrelevant to any of these metrics. Every coach want to be those programs. I could be wrong but I assume it's to show exactly what L.A.Aztec suggests: that Rocky is playing move the target so what he says now needs to be taken with a big grain of salt. Do you disagree with that analysis? To your second point, if you don't think the opinion of hardcore fans like us means anything and you're correct, we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks. This, what you said here.... "we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks."
Regurgitating the same information over and over on a fan board seems pointless...
I would guess that most fans (and probably RL) will agree that if the season continues in the direction it has been going that there should be a new head coach and staff. My hope is that this step will also be accompanied with a good chuck of money to support the FB program. If it doesn't, my guess is that we will be having this same relative discussion 3 or 5 years from now.
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Post by azzfan on Oct 1, 2015 12:05:09 GMT -8
At this point in the school's history and with the progress we have made the last couple of years in football, I am disappointed that it takes the ouster of a coach (with pitchforks and torches) as a mechanism to increase the sports budget. Run Rocky out of town if you want, but unless there is a major commitment made by this administration to support the head coach with reasonable resources to succeed, the expectations of fans and college football in general, will never rise above where they are now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 12:25:27 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. |
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