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Post by retiredaztec on Oct 2, 2015 12:40:02 GMT -8
We are 2 couples, and have 4 season tickets but, both wives refuse to go anymore after that awful game against USB. I have had season tickets for 48 years if you can believe it (1967). I was on the verge of giving up when Chuck long was coach. I wrote a long letter to Weber saying how disgusted I was and was seriously thinking of giving up. He shortly afterward fired C Long, don't know if my letter had any thing to do with it or not. But, I am in the same mood right now. This is Long's 5th year, the year was to all come together. Instead it is close to completely unraveling. Don't say it is because we don't have a QB. He had 5 years to find at least an adequate QB and failed miserably. Look at the major flops. First it was Jefferies, who was supposed to be very good. He didn't even play a down. Katz looked ok but got hurt early in the year and no one to replace him. The replacement9 whose name escapes me right now) was fair but then deteriorated badly the 2nd year. Then he brought in two QB, one from JC and Bowden who again was supposed to be very good. The JC guy wasn't any good, and left and Bowden was awful and is now at FB. Then it was Favareau who again was a flop and as now a WR. Now Chapman. If he is not good enough to beat out Smith I think he will be another flop. I hope I am surprised by him but doubt it. I still have a little hope that Agnew will turn out to be very good but who knows?? After all these failures you would think that Long could get it right just once. If the Q and Chargers were both a fixture we could be focusing on 2015 players and schedule. But the program is facing a potential crossroads so there will always have to be a discussion regarding the program's long term future..... -if the Chargers stay in San Diego and a stadium is built to accommodate them, then I have no doubt it will be business as usual for Aztec football, ( too many football brains, not enough football minds*) -if the Chargers leave, it will begin a whole new chapter for Aztec football, which may not be as pleasant as some assume it will. ( football brain?: Rocky Long / football mind?: Urban Meyer.....AD brain? Jim Sterk, SDSU / AD mind? Chris Hill, Utah*).
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Post by longtimebooster on Oct 2, 2015 13:09:02 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. Pshaw! Howard Schnellenberger * took over a dismal U of Miami team with zero fball history in 1979. Started them on one of the most dominant runs in college fb history * took over a dismal Louisville team with zero fball history in 1985. Went 8-24-1 his first three seasons. Turned the Cards into a juggernaut, eventually thrashing 'Bama in the Fiesta Bowl and capping a 10-1-1 season. June Jones * took over a winless Hawaii team, 0-12, and in one year turned them into 9-4 winners * took over a post death-penalty SMU team and notched 8-4 and 7-5 seasons (as well as 7-7 and a 1-11 first-year clunker.) Dennis Erickson * took over a dismal Idaho team that hadn't had back-to-back winning seasons since 1908. Set off a 1-AA juggernaut that had 15 straight winning seasons * took over a horrible WSU team, guiding them to their first bowl win since 1916 Gary Barnett * took over perennial bottom-feeder Northwestern and turned them into a power. Their 1996 Big 10 championship was their first since 1936. And they won the Rose Bowl that year for the first time in 1949. * took over a semi-bad Colorado program and got them rolling Jim Harbaugh * led little ol' USD to 7-4, 11-1 and 11-1. * in his first year, led Stanford to what was statistically the biggest upset in college football history, beating U$C after they'd been favored by 41 pts. In his final year, he led Stanford to a 12-1 finish and a No. 4 final ranking I could go on, but you get the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:20:54 GMT -8
He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. Pshaw! Howard Schnellenberger * took over a dismal U of Miami team with zero fball history in 1979. Started them on one of the most dominant runs in college fb history * took over a dismal Louisville team with zero fball history in 1985. Went 8-24-1 his first three seasons. Turned the Cards into a juggernaut, eventually thrashing 'Bama in the Fiesta Bowl and capping a 10-1-1 season. June Jones * took over a winless Hawaii team, 0-12, and in one year turned them into 9-4 winners * took over a post death-penalty SMU team and notched 8-4 and 7-5 seasons (as well as 7-7 and a 1-11 first-year clunker.) Dennis Erickson * took over a dismal Idaho team that hadn't had back-to-back winning seasons since 1908. Set off a 1-AA juggernaut that had 15 straight winning seasons * took over a horrible WSU team, guiding them to their first bowl win since 1916 Gary Barnett * took over perennial bottom-feeder Northwestern and turned them into a power. Their 1996 Big 10 championship was their first since 1936. And they won the Rose Bowl that year for the first time in 1949. * took over a semi-bad Colorado program and got them rolling Jim Harbaugh * led little ol' USD to 7-4, 11-1 and 11-1. * in his first year, led Stanford to what was statistically the biggest upset in college football history, beating U$C after they'd been favored by 41 pts. In his final year, he led Stanford to a 12-1 finish and a No. 4 final ranking I could go on, but you get the idea. reread what I said more carefully. Not seeing anyone on the list who has ONLY coached at two of the worst FBS schools of all time. Even still you are pretty much showing that only good coaches can coach historically bad teams into winning territory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 13:42:48 GMT -8
The real and only stat needed to justify removing long at the end of 15'
5-5 against G5 teams OOC (Who are the ten?) wins (Army, Army, NMSU, Buffalo, Idaho) losses (ULL, SJSU(before MW), BYU, Navy, USA)
I'm not a fan of hyperbole, it's wasted energy. That being said above is a stat from the RL era that should be all any Aztec fan needs to understand why his time should be up. Isolated for teams in the same resource range Rocky has only beaten 4 bottom feeders, even by G5 standards. The real tragedy is the team could've been 8-2 against those teams with better coaching in the clutch (ULL, SJSU, and Navy last year).
So lets not waste so much time on what we already know.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 2, 2015 14:43:45 GMT -8
Thank you. You've been very moderate here so the fact Rocky has lost your support is very damning.
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Post by longtimebooster on Oct 3, 2015 6:07:29 GMT -8
Pshaw! Howard Schnellenberger * took over a dismal U of Miami team with zero fball history in 1979. Started them on one of the most dominant runs in college fb history * took over a dismal Louisville team with zero fball history in 1985. Went 8-24-1 his first three seasons. Turned the Cards into a juggernaut, eventually thrashing 'Bama in the Fiesta Bowl and capping a 10-1-1 season. June Jones * took over a winless Hawaii team, 0-12, and in one year turned them into 9-4 winners * took over a post death-penalty SMU team and notched 8-4 and 7-5 seasons (as well as 7-7 and a 1-11 first-year clunker.) Dennis Erickson * took over a dismal Idaho team that hadn't had back-to-back winning seasons since 1908. Set off a 1-AA juggernaut that had 15 straight winning seasons * took over a horrible WSU team, guiding them to their first bowl win since 1916 Gary Barnett * took over perennial bottom-feeder Northwestern and turned them into a power. Their 1996 Big 10 championship was their first since 1936. And they won the Rose Bowl that year for the first time in 1949. * took over a semi-bad Colorado program and got them rolling Jim Harbaugh * led little ol' USD to 7-4, 11-1 and 11-1. * in his first year, led Stanford to what was statistically the biggest upset in college football history, beating U$C after they'd been favored by 41 pts. In his final year, he led Stanford to a 12-1 finish and a No. 4 final ranking I could go on, but you get the idea. reread what I said more carefully. Not seeing anyone on the list who has ONLY coached at two of the worst FBS schools of all time. Even still you are pretty much showing that only good coaches can coach historically bad teams into winning territory. Miami & Louisville were both horrible fball teams. It's an easy argument that when Schnellenberger arrived neither schools had some of the rich history SDSU had enjoyed in fball in the '60s & '70s. Hawaii & post-death-penalty SMU were both much worse than SDSU or UNM Idaho and WSU were both irrelevant/bad Northwestern was a perennial Bottom 10 team. I think they broke the record for most consecutive losses. USD was a non-scholarship school/Div. II or III or whatever. Stanford was on a bit of a skid, but they've had some bright moments in the fball world in the past, so they don't really fit the mold.
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Post by aztecvatar on Oct 3, 2015 9:12:58 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. um...and he has contributed/is contributing to the poor history of those 2 schools, respectively. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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Post by aztecvatar on Oct 3, 2015 9:21:29 GMT -8
To quite dramatically point out what a joke this program has become under the Rocky Bomb and Sterky. With Rocky's quote from 2011 saying so proudly: But it’s only Year Three in the rebuilding process, he said. To get where he wants to be, it’s probably going to take two more years after this season – Long’s first as head coach of the Aztecs.Please note that nowhere is he using the money card as a reason for holding us back from being a "national program". But in 2015, he raises "unfairness", lack of money, and is quoted as needing 10 years, not 5. And of course, THAT starting point is no longer as above, but from the time he became HC, so somewhere around 2021, we can expect us to be a "national program". We need him gone now, not the end of the year. Of course, we all know what will actually happen. Happy Hirshman, Rocky Retread and Quirky Sterky, will all party together and tell us how great the football program is doing. And guess what, we can't tell you, but trust us, we have top Secret Plans, which we'll share with all those in the Cognoscenti. Firing Rocky now, as opposed to seeing how the season plays out is moronic. If we go 6-6 I would even consider agreeing he should be fired. However, what happens if we win out and go 9-3? My point is, firing a coach mid-year provides you no advantages whatsoever. It is silly. And keeping a coach that is basically a dead-man-walking at this point serves no advantage. Fire him now. Send a message that we're not playing around. It sends the message to the fans that we're doing something and not sitting idle. It gives us a jump start on the job search for a new HC, as well. What in the last few games tells you that this team will improve? The quality of play has gone progressively worse each season.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 3, 2015 11:52:40 GMT -8
University of Houston has a 1st year coach and has his team averaging 45+ points a game and 4-0. It can be done at the non-P5 level. They may be ranked soon. If the Aztecs averaged 45 a game and winning, people would come out to watch. Houston plays similar competition too. They beat Lou-a-vull too.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 3, 2015 12:00:16 GMT -8
If we were 4-0 there would be close to 50 grand in attendance tonight. Instead, there will be close to half that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:00:10 GMT -8
He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. um...and he has contributed/is contributing to the poor history of those 2 schools, respectively. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Actually, compared to the vast majority of SDSU and UNM's history you are simply flat wrong on this point. Long has the 3rd best winning % ever at State and I believe he is the all-time winningest coach at UNM.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:01:09 GMT -8
University of Houston has a 1st year coach and has his team averaging 45+ points a game and 4-0. It can be done at the non-P5 level. They may be ranked soon. If the Aztecs averaged 45 a game and winning, people would come out to watch. Houston plays similar competition too. They beat Lou-a-vull too. Not to mention in a brand new P5 caliber stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:04:36 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:04:59 GMT -8
reread what I said more carefully. Not seeing anyone on the list who has ONLY coached at two of the worst FBS schools of all time. Even still you are pretty much showing that only good coaches can coach historically bad teams into winning territory. Miami & Louisville were both horrible fball teams. It's an easy argument that when Schnellenberger arrived neither schools had some of the rich history SDSU had enjoyed in fball in the '60s & '70s. Hawaii & post-death-penalty SMU were both much worse than SDSU or UNM Idaho and WSU were both irrelevant/bad Northwestern was a perennial Bottom 10 team. I think they broke the record for most consecutive losses. USD was a non-scholarship school/Div. II or III or whatever. Stanford was on a bit of a skid, but they've had some bright moments in the fball world in the past, so they don't really fit the mold. All your argument is doing is putting Long in somewhat elite company, you are defeating your own point. Stop.
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Post by AzTex on Oct 3, 2015 12:05:46 GMT -8
University of Houston has a 1st year coach and has his team averaging 45+ points a game and 4-0. It can be done at the non-P5 level. They may be ranked soon. If the Aztecs averaged 45 a game and winning, people would come out to watch. Houston plays similar competition too. They beat Lou-a-vull too. Yep. 45 points per game and winning would bring out the fans. It wouldn't matter much who we were playing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:09:06 GMT -8
um...and he has contributed/is contributing to the poor history of those 2 schools, respectively. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Actually, compared to the vast majority of SDSU and UNM's history you are simply flat wrong on this point. Long has the 3rd best winning % ever at State and I believe he is the all-time winningest coach at UNM. In your world, a club fighter who beats up on tomato cans should get the same credit for win loss record as a Rocky Marciano? Context, homie. Who did we beat? How did we beat them? Who did we lose to? These are important questions. If we took the program to division III, imagine how successful we will become. Let's play a couple of jC schools or a pop warner team. Then we can really peacock around for the next five years.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 3, 2015 12:17:58 GMT -8
um...and he has contributed/is contributing to the poor history of those 2 schools, respectively. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Actually, compared to the vast majority of SDSU and UNM's history you are simply flat wrong on this point. Long has the 3rd best winning % ever at State and I believe he is the all-time winningest coach at UNM. And that "winning percentage" we now know, is solely the result of an eroding and dreadful conference. It's really that simple. And punctuating his barren record, is his absolute impotence against good teams and anyone from the Big Boy Conferences.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 3, 2015 12:20:31 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -8
Yes, but they clobbered the competition and won nationally televised games and even bowl games against winning teams with national name recognition. We're rolling around in the muck with the worst teams around and holding our own. We haven't been blowing away lower level teams; we've been competitive with them.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 3, 2015 12:58:37 GMT -8
Yes, but they clobbered the competition and won nationally televised games and even bowl games against winning teams with national name recognition. We're rolling around in the muck with the worst teams around and holding our own. We haven't been blowing away lower level teams; we've been competitive with them. but, but but, yeah but ... "Who did we beat? How did we beat them? Who did we lose to? These are important questions. If we took the program to division III, imagine how successful we will become." Boise St beat up on nobodies -- while losing to the likes of Arkansas (6-6) & Washington St (4-7) while going (10-2) in 2000 ... They went (8-4) in 2001 with losses to South Carolina, Washington St, Rice & LA Tech. Then in 2002 they lost to Arkansas but beat Idaho, WYO, USU, HI, Tulsa, Fresno St, SJSU, UTEP, Rice & LA Tech to achieve a rank of #23 going into the final game of the regular season against Nevada. So yeah, "a club fighter who beats up on tomato cans" can "get the same credit for win loss record as a Rocky Marciano" EDIT: I should add that in 2002, BSU beat a 7-6 Iowa St team in the Humanitarian bowl in Boise, ID
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