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Post by thetruth on Oct 1, 2015 12:30:40 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. He hasn't come out the other end.....yet.
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Post by tolstoy on Oct 1, 2015 12:32:04 GMT -8
Azzfan may well be right. But I had 20 minutes to kill so I did some arithmetic.
Rocky Long's overall record: 98-92 .516 career winning percentage
In the month of September: 27-37 .421 winning percentage
Against current P5 schools: 10-29 .256 winning percentage (includes 4 wins over Utah)
Against BYU and BSU: 4-12 .250 winning percentage
Bowl Games: 2-6 .250 winning percentage
Rocky is performing at SDSU in exactly the way that his entire 16+ year Head Coaching career would predict. Nobody should be surprised. Whether we or the powers that be should he happy with that or accepting of it will be determined by people that don't post on this board and are more influenced by donations and attendance then they are by letter writing campaigns or message boards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 12:35:39 GMT -8
He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. He hasn't come out the other end.....yet. With our soft conference schedule lined up now we will probably finish 6-6 or 7-5, before he's hopefully fired. If that's the case he will walk away with a winning record. Oh my.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2015 12:37:07 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. But respectfully, isn't that kind of the point: He's toiled at two lowly schools for all those years, with results that have attracted no other higher caliber school? What are those programs missing, which New Mexico and SDSU have found so "beneficial"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 12:40:25 GMT -8
He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. But respectfully, isn't that kind of the point: He's toiled at two lowly schools for all those years, with results that have attracted no other higher caliber school? What are those programs missing, which New Mexico and SDSU have found so "beneficial"? Besides Hoke has any coach since Coryell been poached from either University?
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Post by fisherville on Oct 1, 2015 12:42:12 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. Given the terribleness of his schedules i'm sure there are hundreds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 12:44:32 GMT -8
He's 98-92 actually. Doubt another HC out there will have coached only at 2 schools with histories as poor as UNM and SDSU combined and come out on the other end with a winning record. Given the terribleness of his schedules I'm sure there are hundreds. Huh? Hundreds of head coach's have winning records and also only coached at historically poor football schools? ok...
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Post by myownwords on Oct 1, 2015 12:48:29 GMT -8
But respectfully, isn't that kind of the point: He's toiled at two lowly schools for all those years, with results that have attracted no other higher caliber school? What are those programs missing, which New Mexico and SDSU have found so "beneficial"? Besides Hoke has any coach since Coryell been poached from either University? You see our problem then, yes? We make very poor choices and Sterk is a problem.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 1, 2015 12:52:55 GMT -8
But respectfully, isn't that kind of the point: He's toiled at two lowly schools for all those years, with results that have attracted no other higher caliber school? What are those programs missing, which New Mexico and SDSU have found so "beneficial"? Besides Hoke has any coach since Coryell been poached from either University? Uhh, this is not a good thing for SDSU, as it speaks to the desireability, ability and effectiveness of the respective coaches. Hardly something to crow about.
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Post by laaztec on Oct 1, 2015 12:57:55 GMT -8
Azzfan may well be right. But I had 20 minutes to kill so I did some arithmetic. Rocky Long's overall record: 98-92 .516 career winning percentage In the month of September: 27-37 .421 winning percentage Against current P5 schools: 10-29 .256 winning percentage (includes 4 wins over Utah) Against BYU and BSU: 4-12 .250 winning percentage Bowl Games: 2-6 .250 winning percentage Rocky is performing at SDSU in exactly the way that his entire 16+ year Head Coaching career would predict. Nobody should be surprised. Whether we or the powers that be should he happy with that or accepting of it will be determined by people that don't post on this board and are more influenced by donations and attendance then they are by letter writing campaigns or message boards. The thought behind hiring Rocky was that he did a great job at UNM ( a school with little football potential ). So he would do an even better job at SDSU ( a school with high football potential ). That has not happened. He has been the same coach at both schools.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 12:58:37 GMT -8
Besides Hoke has any coach since Coryell been poached from either University? You see our problem then, yes? We make very poor choices and Sterk is a problem. Sterk has been AD since the 70's? Wow
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 13:02:38 GMT -8
Besides Hoke has any coach since Coryell been poached from either University? Uhh, this is not a good thing for SDSU, as it speaks to the desireability, ability and effectiveness of the respective coaches. Hardly something to crow about. Not crowing...trying to show people who care about Aztec football that if we want a revival to the Coryell days it will take a ground up total overhaul of the program. You don't go that long without success unless fan and institutional support is lacking. If we can step up I think our future has plenty of potential...if we stay the course, well just look at the last 30+ Years.
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Post by aztech on Oct 1, 2015 13:08:20 GMT -8
Azzfan may well be right. But I had 20 minutes to kill so I did some arithmetic. Rocky Long's overall record: 98-92 .516 career winning percentage In the month of September: 27-37 .421 winning percentage Against current P5 schools: 10-29 .256 winning percentage (includes 4 wins over Utah) Against BYU and BSU: 4-12 .250 winning percentage Bowl Games: 2-6 .250 winning percentage Rocky is performing at SDSU in exactly the way that his entire 16+ year Head Coaching career would predict. Nobody should be surprised. Whether we or the powers that be should he happy with that or accepting of it will be determined by people that don't post on this board and are more influenced by donations and attendance then they are by letter writing campaigns or message boards. If attendance starts to trickle down then Sterk will be forced to ask the boosters for more money to cover the losses. His glad handing skill will be put to test. Boy, he'll need a good pair of knee pads, that's for sure.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 1, 2015 13:26:23 GMT -8
I could be wrong but I assume it's to show exactly what L.A.Aztec suggests: that Rocky is playing move the target so what he says now needs to be taken with a big grain of salt. Do you disagree with that analysis? To your second point, if you don't think the opinion of hardcore fans like us means anything and you're correct, we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks. This, what you said here.... "we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks."
Regurgitating the same information over and over on a fan board seems pointless...
I would guess that most fans (and probably RL) will agree that if the season continues in the direction it has been going that there should be a new head coach and staff. My hope is that this step will also be accompanied with a good chuck of money to support the FB program. If it doesn't, my guess is that we will be having this same relative discussion 3 or 5 years from now.
Not sure I've been regurgitating the vote with your pocketbook message but if you think I have, so be it. As to posting here, it's apparent from the emails from the Moosebrugger guy that he hasn't gotten the message yet so post on, everybody, I say. Oh and Rocky's not 2-6 in bowl games, he's 2-7.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 18:43:37 GMT -8
This, what you said here.... "we all need to begin voting with our pocketbooks."
Regurgitating the same information over and over on a fan board seems pointless...
I would guess that most fans (and probably RL) will agree that if the season continues in the direction it has been going that there should be a new head coach and staff. My hope is that this step will also be accompanied with a good chuck of money to support the FB program. If it doesn't, my guess is that we will be having this same relative discussion 3 or 5 years from now.
Not sure I've been regurgitating the vote with your pocketbook message but if you think I have, so be it. As to posting here, it's apparent from the emails from the Moosebrugger guy that he hasn't gotten the message yet so post on, everybody, I say. Oh and Rocky's not 2-6 in bowl games, he's 2-7. It is clear from my post that I don't spend nearly enough time explaining myself... sorry, was not saying you were regurgitating the 'vote with our pocketbooks' comment... I was agreeing that is what is needed (more cash in the program). What I felt was the regurgitation was another' rocky must go thread' ... pretty sure most here are not arguing that he should stay anymore (maybe a few but not many). So all in all, I should just post less or not at all. I'd sure do less explaining if I did so.
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Post by uncledougy on Oct 2, 2015 4:59:27 GMT -8
Azzfan may well be right. But I had 20 minutes to kill so I did some arithmetic. Rocky Long's overall record: 98-92 .516 career winning percentage In the month of September: 27-37 .421 winning percentage Against current P5 schools: 10-29 .256 winning percentage (includes 4 wins over Utah) Against BYU and BSU: 4-12 .250 winning percentage Bowl Games: 2-6 .250 winning percentage Rocky is performing at SDSU in exactly the way that his entire 16+ year Head Coaching career would predict. Nobody should be surprised. Whether we or the powers that be should he happy with that or accepting of it will be determined by people that don't post on this board and are more influenced by donations and attendance then they are by letter writing campaigns or message boards. If attendance starts to trickle down then Sterk will be forced to ask the boosters for more money to cover the losses. His glad handing skill will be put to test. Boy, he'll need a good pair of knee pads, that's for sure.
Hasn't attendance already trickled down? Shouldn't those knee pads already be out?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 2, 2015 9:21:42 GMT -8
Not sure I've been regurgitating the vote with your pocketbook message but if you think I have, so be it. As to posting here, it's apparent from the emails from the Moosebrugger guy that he hasn't gotten the message yet so post on, everybody, I say. Oh and Rocky's not 2-6 in bowl games, he's 2-7. It is clear from my post that I don't spend nearly enough time explaining myself... sorry, was not saying you were regurgitating the 'vote with our pocketbooks' comment... I was agreeing that is what is needed (more cash in the program). What I felt was the regurgitation was another' rocky must go thread' ... pretty sure most here are not arguing that he should stay anymore (maybe a few but not many). So all in all, I should just post less or not at all. I'd sure do less explaining if I did so. Thanks for the explanation and if I was a bit impatient, my apologies.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 2, 2015 10:30:47 GMT -8
If either Rocky or Sterk bring up again the bogus "Rise" speech, they'll get laughed out of the room.
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Post by perch on Oct 2, 2015 10:56:26 GMT -8
We are 2 couples, and have 4 season tickets but, both wives refuse to go anymore after that awful game against USB. I have had season tickets for 48 years if you can believe it (1967). I was on the verge of giving up when Chuck long was coach. I wrote a long letter to Weber saying how disgusted I was and was seriously thinking of giving up. He shortly afterward fired C Long, don't know if my letter had any thing to do with it or not. But, I am in the same mood right now. This is Long's 5th year, the year was to all come together. Instead it is close to completely unraveling. Don't say it is because we don't have a QB. He had 5 years to find at least an adequate QB and failed miserably. Look at the major flops. First it was Jefferies, who was supposed to be very good. He didn't even play a down. Katz looked ok but got hurt early in the year and no one to replace him. The replacement9 whose name escapes me right now) was fair but then deteriorated badly the 2nd year. Then he brought in two QB, one from JC and Bowden who again was supposed to be very good. The JC guy wasn't any good, and left and Bowden was awful and is now at FB. Then it was Favareau who again was a flop and as now a WR. Now Chapman. If he is not good enough to beat out Smith I think he will be another flop. I hope I am surprised by him but doubt it. I still have a little hope that Agnew will turn out to be very good but who knows?? After all these failures you would think that Long could get it right just once.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 2, 2015 12:02:13 GMT -8
Damn! And I thought I had paid my dues. perch, you da man. "Patience if a virtue." - William Langland "Sometimes patience is foolishness." - Some other guy
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