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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 13:10:10 GMT -8
They beat power 5 teams on national television. They won bowl games against teams with national name recognition. They won conference titles. They went 10-2. They played an exciting brand of football. We have yet to hit any of those marks. We did beat A 4-7 Washington State team. That is it.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 3, 2015 13:13:30 GMT -8
They beat power 5 teams on national television. They won bowl games against teams with national name recognition. They won conference titles. They went 10-2. They played an exciting brand of football. We have yet to hit any of those marks. We did beat A 4-7 Washington State team. That is it. They didn't do that until much later ... They achieved a top 25 ranking without beating anyone of consequence -- much the same way that Marshall did last year. The question on the table was should a club fighter who beats up on tomato cans get the same credit as a Marciano -- the answer is apparently yes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 13:34:57 GMT -8
So we are trying to be Boise from 15 years ago? Our goal is to be like a team that was making the transition to Division I football? Puhleez!
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Post by tuff on Oct 3, 2015 13:42:40 GMT -8
As far as accomplishment goes, we don't even come close to Boise. We beat them twice.....whoopee!. They go into Georgia, Virginia, take on and beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, and more. And Rocky sez we will do it too. Only that was supposed to happen last year. Same ole, same ole. We don't have a major college football program. A few stars maybe, but that's it. Five toilet bowls do not make a program. And Rocky lost most of them. I'm sorry, but it's time for Sterk to put up or shut up. My attitude now is "Show Me".
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 3, 2015 13:58:07 GMT -8
So we are trying to be Boise from 15 years ago? Our goal is to be like a team that was making the transition to Division I football? Puhleez! LoL ... you set the premise, I just provided the context you asked for. So would you -- as an Aztecs Fan, accept the path that Boise St took to rise to prominence in the FBS ... beating up on "tomato cans" for a few years to build cred as a winning program and building a winning mentality on your team and in your community, thus attracting donors, sponsors, recruits and coaches? Or do you want to keep doing it the "big-boy" way: SDSU schedule 2000 - (3-8) with losses to Arizona St, #21 Illinois, Arizona & Oregon St OoC - www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/san-diego-state/2000-schedule.html2001 - (3-8) with losses to Arizona St, Arizona, Ohio St OoC and #16 BYU in conference - www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/san-diego-state/2001-schedule.html2002 - (4-9) with losses to Fresno St, #17 Colorado, Arizona St, Idaho & UCLA out of conference & #21 CSU in conference - www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/san-diego-state/2002-schedule.htmlIt seems to me that Boise St & Marshall have taken a path of building their programs by creating a winning tradition and slowly increasing the difficulty to achieve success, while SDSU seems to think the path to success is to challenge yourself from the beginning and hope you survive. How much of those path selections revolve around what the "fans" are willing to accept in terms of a schedule worthy of a team that was once coached by the likes of Don Coryell and Claude Gilbert versus a team like BSU who had no history?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 15:16:44 GMT -8
Boise State improved their record and results while increasing the degree of difficulty by moving up to stiffer competition and more meaningful games. We've improved our record while the level of competition and bowl qualifying requirements have gotten progressively easier. I am not so sure that we are using Boise's model at all.
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Post by mySTRAS on Oct 3, 2015 15:22:46 GMT -8
A victory over Fresno should just about have us on track!
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 3, 2015 15:25:52 GMT -8
Boise State improved their record and results while increasing the degree of difficulty by moving up to stiffer competition and more meaningful games. We've improved our record while the level of competition and bowl qualifying requirements have gotten progressively easier. I am not so sure that we are using Boise's model at all. You are correct, we are not following the BSU/Marshall Plan ... but should we?
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Post by longtimebooster on Oct 4, 2015 5:17:46 GMT -8
Miami & Louisville were both horrible fball teams. It's an easy argument that when Schnellenberger arrived neither schools had some of the rich history SDSU had enjoyed in fball in the '60s & '70s. Hawaii & post-death-penalty SMU were both much worse than SDSU or UNM Idaho and WSU were both irrelevant/bad Northwestern was a perennial Bottom 10 team. I think they broke the record for most consecutive losses. USD was a non-scholarship school/Div. II or III or whatever. Stanford was on a bit of a skid, but they've had some bright moments in the fball world in the past, so they don't really fit the mold. All your argument is doing is putting Long in somewhat elite company, you are defeating your own point. Stop. Disagree. The original argument essentially was that we should appreciate Long's mediocrity because he's the only coach walking the earth who has guided two separate teams to winning records. Kudos to Long. However, the logic is fallible for two reasons: 1) There ARE coaches who have pulled off that trick (and many more than I just listed), so that's not such a novelty anyway, and 2) Many of the coaches who have pulled off that feat didn't stop at 7-6 or 8-5; they ran the table to 12-0, 12-1, 10-1-1, etc. -- they had Top 5 teams and even put their program on track for a national championship or two. So, yes, Long has a winning record at two different schools. Big whoop. I'd argue that by the metrics of the above coaches, he hasn't really approached being a bona fide WINNER at those schools.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 4, 2015 6:02:15 GMT -8
It's pretty clear after last night's game against Fresno that this is a bad team. We're just lucky that we're in the weaker division of a bad conference...
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Post by Sdsu4life on Oct 4, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -8
So we are trying to be Boise from 15 years ago? Our goal is to be like a team that was making the transition to Division I football? Puhleez! Umm what? 15 years ago, they were no longer in that transition. 15 years ago they were on year 5 of being in the D1A . They went 10-3 the prior year, then 10-2, 8-4, 12-1, 13-1, 11-1, 9-4, 13-0, 10-3, 12-1, 14-0..... So, you don't want to be be boise of 15 years ago?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Oct 4, 2015 11:30:17 GMT -8
A victory over Fresno should just about have us on track! Ultimately to another loss in a lousy bowl game?
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Post by tonatiuh on Oct 5, 2015 15:46:20 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? Wrong! You need to check the record more carefully. Before this season began he was 97-89 all time, so he is a bit above .500. Get your facts straight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 19:39:52 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? Wrong! You need to check the record more carefully. Before this season began he was 97-89 all time, so he is a bit above .500. Get your facts straight. My mistake. Before he got here he was 4 games under .500. So what can we expect from him now that he's here?
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 6, 2015 17:53:59 GMT -8
Wrong! You need to check the record more carefully. Before this season began he was 97-89 all time, so he is a bit above .500. Get your facts straight. My mistake. Before he got here he was 4 games under .500. So what can we expect from him now that he's here? Exactly what we're getting.
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Post by myownwords on Oct 9, 2015 14:27:58 GMT -8
This is probably what Rocky told Sterk to convince Sterk to hire him---especially after announcing the he never wanted to be HC again. And in the hectic time of Hoke's departure, Rocky let it slip out again in public. The journalists and the sycophantic AD have failed to call him on it and continue giving the guy a pass. What a joke.
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Post by zurac315 on Oct 9, 2015 14:45:27 GMT -8
Is this still a debate? He's a below .500 NCAA head football coach for his career. And it's been a very long career. What makes anybody think he's going to change that? Wrong! You need to check the record more carefully. Before this season began he was 97-89 all time, so he is a bit above .500. Get your facts straight. That's a pretty good record considering the schools where he has been the head coach.
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