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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Mar 6, 2015 1:04:29 GMT -8
I do not want to be BYU southwest! Score 80-85 and give up 70-75-80....BYU is 23-8 and in my opinion in a weaker conference than the MWC. I love the intensity the defense gives our team and this without Dwayne Polee scoring and the rebounding of Zylan Cheatham and Malik Pope coming along slowly. I think the offense will only improve next year adding Jeremy Hemsley, who they try at the 1? He can def play the 2. He can shoot it and D up. Trey Kell can shoot it, Malik Pope can shoot it. Zylan Cheatham seems freakishly athletic for defense and rebounding and dunks well and has a red shirt season under his belt Maybe DW at point and Kell,Hemsley, Shrigs at the 2, Shep,Cheatham, Allen at 3, Malik and Perkins at 4 and Sky down low......I think the offense will get better by 6-8 points which would get us to 70 average. We lose JJ,AQ and DP and hope that the D does not suffer too much and we stay at 53-56 points against average we will be ok. I love great defense and we are one of the best in the country....just pick up the offense a tad and we are right where we wanna be.....Let's go Aztecs! JMHO!
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Post by aztech on Mar 6, 2015 1:52:05 GMT -8
Ok, so which one are we? The team that has to get lucky and get hot at the right time? Or the team that expects to be good consistently (i.e. blue bloods)? Are we somewhere in the middle? Getting to the S16 is a significant accomplishment but eventually, "dominating" until the S16 and not advancing is a moot point. Take the Buffalo Bills teams of the early 90's. They made 4 consecutive Super Bowl appearances and lost them all. I'm sure if you asked the losing players how they felt then and now, I doubt they would say "hey, at least we made it this far." And no, this isn't a comparison about the "funding" of college basketball vs. the NFL, this is a comparison about the players and fans and the mindset that accompanies it. Considering our program is nowhere near the level of the blue bloods that's not us, so we are more towards needing luck and the right matchups. Case in point, had we not been in UConns bracket who knows where that team ends up? We faced one of the hottest teams in the nation and even had a couple questionable calls cost us. Not saying we lost due to the refs, but you need breaks. Uconnn got them. And that draw hurt us. as for Bills, although they'd have liked to have won one Jim Kelly has said over and over how proud he was to get that close that often. Same with Tarkington and the Vikes. I have no doubt they weren't very disappointed but that doesn't make their seasons a failure. And would you rather be THOSE Buffalo Bills fans, or the current ones? Think they "expect" to win a Super Bowl or do you think they wish they were just playing in one, even if they lost? Yea, if we get to S16 but not beyond we will ask what if and be disappointed we didn't go further, but when I step back I know I'd realize it was an incredible accomplishment. And not something I "expect" or will deem a failure by any measure. If we had a top 10 revenue program and multiple top 20 classes I'd be a little more frustrated, but we don't. We are a very good program who has accomplished a lot over the last 6 years. That's awesome. Hopefully we we get a good draw and the right matchups. Maybe we go far. If not it doesn't mean we weren't successful this year. Maybe we get a sugar daddy like knight or TBoone to help level the playing field for our coaches? Maybe we get the $20MM+ B12 money? Maybe not. But when I see us at right now I see an incredibly successful program given our means. If we get P5 level money does that mean we let Fisher & staff go and hire some big name out there? Has that money helped all the Pac schools get better than us? UNLV seems to land some impressive recruits and I doubt they have that kind of money. Even if we did get P5 money we'd never be able to land the kind of recruits some of those schools get. They have filthy rich boosters. They're in another world, but that doesn't mean we can't beat them. Kansas comes to mind. Last year Thames said they were shooting for a Final 4 run. I wouldn't be surprised if this team has expectations beyond a Sweet 16, as well they should. I doubt they consider a Sweet 16 as big an accomplishment as much as you do. I'm sure all of our future teams expect to go higher than their predecessors. It's a challenge that may put them in the NBA while they're at it. Isn't that why they come here?
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Post by longtimebooster on Mar 6, 2015 6:42:25 GMT -8
Nice theory, but P5 money helps with hoops, but it in no way ensures hoops success. Otherwise, schools like USC, Texas, Penn St., Nebraska would be dominant in hoops. They're not. That's because you don't need 40 really talented guys to have a great hoops team. You need only two or three great guys surrounded by another three or four serviceable guys. Depending upon the mix and chemistry, those handful of guys can take you far.
As a result, there are far more "mid-major" teams crashing the P5 party every year in hoops than in football. And each year there are at least three or four non-P5 schools with a legitimate shot at a national championship. In football, there are no non-P5 schools who will ever get a sniff at a championship game.
I'm sure the hoops situation drives the P5 cartel nuts. They've been trying to figure out a way to corral all the talent in hoops like they do in football, but that's simply too difficult a proposition in bball.
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Post by ignoranus on Mar 6, 2015 6:43:49 GMT -8
Who is this "Perkins" fellow?
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 6, 2015 8:36:07 GMT -8
Considering our program is nowhere near the level of the blue bloods that's not us, so we are more towards needing luck and the right matchups. Case in point, had we not been in UConns bracket who knows where that team ends up? We faced one of the hottest teams in the nation and even had a couple questionable calls cost us. Not saying we lost due to the refs, but you need breaks. Uconnn got them. And that draw hurt us. as for Bills, although they'd have liked to have won one Jim Kelly has said over and over how proud he was to get that close that often. Same with Tarkington and the Vikes. I have no doubt they weren't very disappointed but that doesn't make their seasons a failure. And would you rather be THOSE Buffalo Bills fans, or the current ones? Think they "expect" to win a Super Bowl or do you think they wish they were just playing in one, even if they lost? Yea, if we get to S16 but not beyond we will ask what if and be disappointed we didn't go further, but when I step back I know I'd realize it was an incredible accomplishment. And not something I "expect" or will deem a failure by any measure. If we had a top 10 revenue program and multiple top 20 classes I'd be a little more frustrated, but we don't. We are a very good program who has accomplished a lot over the last 6 years. That's awesome. Hopefully we we get a good draw and the right matchups. Maybe we go far. If not it doesn't mean we weren't successful this year. Maybe we get a sugar daddy like knight or TBoone to help level the playing field for our coaches? Maybe we get the $20MM+ B12 money? Maybe not. But when I see us at right now I see an incredibly successful program given our means. If we get P5 level money does that mean we let Fisher & staff go and hire some big name out there? Has that money helped all the Pac schools get better than us? UNLV seems to land some impressive recruits and I doubt they have that kind of money. Even if we did get P5 money we'd never be able to land the kind of recruits some of those schools get. They have filthy rich boosters. They're in another world, but that doesn't mean we can't beat them. Kansas comes to mind. Last year Thames said they were shooting for a Final 4 run. I wouldn't be surprised if this team has expectations beyond a Sweet 16, as well they should. I doubt they consider a Sweet 16 as big an accomplishment as much as you do. I'm sure all of our future teams expect to go higher than their predecessors. It's a challenge that may put them in the NBA while they're at it. Isn't that why they come here? Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs.
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Post by Lloyd on Mar 6, 2015 9:13:18 GMT -8
Who is this "Perkins" fellow? Perkins should really blow up for us next season.
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Post by longtimebooster on Mar 6, 2015 9:25:21 GMT -8
If we get P5 level money does that mean we let Fisher & staff go and hire some big name out there? Has that money helped all the Pac schools get better than us? UNLV seems to land some impressive recruits and I doubt they have that kind of money. Even if we did get P5 money we'd never be able to land the kind of recruits some of those schools get. They have filthy rich boosters. They're in another world, but that doesn't mean we can't beat them. Kansas comes to mind. Last year Thames said they were shooting for a Final 4 run. I wouldn't be surprised if this team has expectations beyond a Sweet 16, as well they should. I doubt they consider a Sweet 16 as big an accomplishment as much as you do. I'm sure all of our future teams expect to go higher than their predecessors. It's a challenge that may put them in the NBA while they're at it. Isn't that why they come here? Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs. OK, let me try this again. I will repeat a story I've told a number of times on this board. I first met Fisher about 2 weeks after he landed in San Diego. Some boosters held a Meet-the-Coach event at Karl Strauss Brewery in Sorrento Valley. About 8 people showed up. Coach Fish was game and very genial. We all sat at a table and talked hoops. I turned to Coach, who was sitting next to me, and asked: "So what's your goal here with the basketball team?" He turned to me and said, without hesitation, "To win a national championship." The team was coming off a 4-25 season. The remark struck me as comical. So I started to laugh. Fisher glared at me as though he were ready to kill. He had absolutely no sense of humor about the topic and he was completely serious. That's when I knew we were dealing with a different sort of cat and that we were in for a great ride. And if you sat down with Coach today, bought him a beer and asked him the same question, he'd give you the same answer. And if you doubted him, he'd cut through you with that steely stare of his. So you can talk about Kentucky and Duke and Kansas all you want. And you can make excuses that we're just the poor stepchild stuck in a cul-de-sac on the southwest corner of the continent and that we should all just be glad we're even invited to the Big Dance -- but Fisher will have none of it. He came here to win a national championship. That's his goal every year. No one, and I mean no one, on his staff is happy with just a S16 finish. Not last year, this year or next year.
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Post by aztech on Mar 6, 2015 11:38:07 GMT -8
If we get P5 level money does that mean we let Fisher & staff go and hire some big name out there? Has that money helped all the Pac schools get better than us? UNLV seems to land some impressive recruits and I doubt they have that kind of money. Even if we did get P5 money we'd never be able to land the kind of recruits some of those schools get. They have filthy rich boosters. They're in another world, but that doesn't mean we can't beat them. Kansas comes to mind. Last year Thames said they were shooting for a Final 4 run. I wouldn't be surprised if this team has expectations beyond a Sweet 16, as well they should. I doubt they consider a Sweet 16 as big an accomplishment as much as you do. I'm sure all of our future teams expect to go higher than their predecessors. It's a challenge that may put them in the NBA while they're at it. Isn't that why they come here? Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs. You are generalizing, Aztec fans are happy and proud of our S16 runs. However, that shouldn't be considered our apex unless you think that's the best we can do under normal circumstances. BTW, your use of players' ambitions versus expectations are just a play on words, semantics. There's nothing wrong with expecting anything, it's not a demand. That's close to what blueblood fans' do, big difference. I'm curious, if we had the money how would we use it to make it a level playing field?
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 6, 2015 12:16:30 GMT -8
Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs. You are generalizing, Aztec fans are happy and proud of our S16 runs. However, that shouldn't be considered our apex unless you think that's the best we can do under normal circumstances. BTW, your use of players' ambitions versus expectations are just a play on words, semantics. There's nothing wrong with expecting anything, it's not a demand. That's close to what blueblood fans' do, big difference. I'm curious, if we had the money how would we use it to make it a level playing field? People in this thread have said they would consider it a failure if we don't get past the S16. I disagree. This thread isn't about the players expectations. It's about the fans. "Expecting" to get to the E8 and deeming getting to "just S16s" as being unacceptable is very different from realizing how great that is and being happy with it. as for money, there are several things. One, charter more if not all flights like many programs do (gonzaga, Kansas, etc). Increase pay of assistants. If we lose Hutson to a HC position wouldn't it be good to be able to offer what UCLA ans USC are paying theira assistants to maybe get Bland back and/or make sure Hutson doesn't take someone with him? We may have designed an even higher end practice facility. Improved locker rooms at viejas. Increase ability to pay out for NC games, thus making it easier to upgrade home schedule. Better travel for recruiting. I can think of A lot of things other programs are doing.
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Post by aztech on Mar 6, 2015 12:31:34 GMT -8
Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs. OK, let me try this again. I will repeat a story I've told a number of times on this board. I first met Fisher about 2 weeks after he landed in San Diego. Some boosters held a Meet-the-Coach event at Karl Strauss Brewery in Sorrento Valley. About 8 people showed up. Coach Fish was game and very genial. We all sat at a table and talked hoops. I turned to Coach, who was sitting next to me, and asked: "So what's your goal here with the basketball team?" He turned to me and said, without hesitation, "To win a national championship." The team was coming off a 4-25 season. The remark struck me as comical. So I started to laugh. Fisher glared at me as though he were ready to kill. He had absolutely no sense of humor about the topic and he was completely serious. That's when I knew we were dealing with a different sort of cat and that we were in for a great ride. And if you sat down with Coach today, bought him a beer and asked him the same question, he'd give you the same answer. And if you doubted him, he'd cut through you with that steely stare of his. So you can talk about Kentucky and Duke and Kansas all you want. And you can make excuses that we're just the poor stepchild stuck in a cul-de-sac on the southwest corner of the continent and that we should all just be glad we're even invited to the Big Dance -- but Fisher will have none of it. He came here to win a national championship. That's his goal every year. No one, and I mean no one, on his staff is happy with just a S16 finish. Not last year, this year or next year. Correct. Like Dan Hawkins once said, "This ain't intramurals."
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Post by jpaztec on Mar 6, 2015 13:19:06 GMT -8
Who is this "Perkins" fellow? Perkins should really blow up for us next season. Looooove Perkins.
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Post by northcountymike on Mar 6, 2015 15:20:29 GMT -8
Never said P5 money guaranteed success, just that it puts us on a more competitive level, as would having more and significantly larger donors. Having both would be even better, and make it an even more level playing field. UNLV has had some success recruiting, but they're no Kansas, duke or even Arizona are they? again, for the 5th+ time in this thread, the team EVERY YEAR has final 4 ambitions, as does EVERY team. But I guarantee you that they still consider last year a great success. As fans, we should as well. We are not duke, Kansas, UA or Kentucky. We are a solid basketball program that's growing, but we are not close to that level. I understand Kentucky fans "expecting" E8s. I don't understand SDSU fans not being happy with S16 runs. You are generalizing, Aztec fans are happy and proud of our S16 runs. However, that shouldn't be considered our apex unless you think that's the best we can do under normal circumstances. BTW, your use of players' ambitions versus expectations are just a play on words, semantics. There's nothing wrong with expecting anything, it's not a demand. That's close to what blueblood fans' do, big difference. I'm curious, if we had the money how would we use it to make it a level playing field? Thanks for this, Aztech.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 6, 2015 15:32:21 GMT -8
I think few realize that top ranked programs across the country have had VERY low scoring games this year, and every year. Did our offense stink against Boise? Yep, no denying it. I also think it was one of our worst team performances of the season. We were bad across the board, and to be honest I blame our lack of rebounding over our lack of offense. The past few seasons we've thrived on defense, and that has won us the majority of our games, along with Thames and Jamaal's timely shooting. Now, we have our highest ranked class ever on campus as FRESHMEN, one of which is red shirting, one of which is riding the pine, one of which has only played ball for 4 of the past 24 months, and one of which is an out of position point guard. So YES, I do believe that this season we can't expect a ton more than a win of two in the dance. As Sdcoug said, the rest is the icing on the cake. Our offense will get better in the coming seasons, because we've finally recruited scorers, but to be honest, there's a chance it may come at a cost to us on the defensive side of the ball, in which case, people will be bitching about how we're only average on D and despite scoring 75 a game we're still losing a game here and there a la BYU. There are very few complete teams in college bball, take a look at Virginia, they play nasty D, and don't score at a fast clip, but they're a stud team and Final 4 contender. Personally, I'd rather take a strong defense and average offense as opposed to the other way around. Offense can get hot a lot easier than defense can. Really? We are the #295 team in the nation in scoring out of 350 schools. That is an excusable. What has a good defense got Virginia lately? Nothing. They have not gone far at all in the tournament, which further shows that we need a good offense to win.
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Post by aztech on Mar 6, 2015 16:52:31 GMT -8
You are generalizing, Aztec fans are happy and proud of our S16 runs. However, that shouldn't be considered our apex unless you think that's the best we can do under normal circumstances. BTW, your use of players' ambitions versus expectations are just a play on words, semantics. There's nothing wrong with expecting anything, it's not a demand. That's close to what blueblood fans' do, big difference. I'm curious, if we had the money how would we use it to make it a level playing field? People in this thread have said they would consider it a failure if we don't get past the S16. I disagree. This thread isn't about the players expectations. It's about the fans. "Expecting" to get to the E8 and deeming getting to "just S16s" as being unacceptable is very different from realizing how great that is and being happy with it. as for money, there are several things. One, charter more if not all flights like many programs do (gonzaga, Kansas, etc). Increase pay of assistants. If we lose Hutson to a HC position wouldn't it be good to be able to offer what UCLA ans USC are paying theira assistants to maybe get Bland back and/or make sure Hutson doesn't take someone with him? We may have designed an even higher end practice facility. Improved locker rooms at viejas. Increase ability to pay out for NC games, thus making it easier to upgrade home schedule. Better travel for recruiting. I can think of A lot of things other programs are doing.
Agree, I buy that. One thing I'd like to add though is money for salary is relative. If we can pay Hut the money he deserves, then there will be another program who will snatch him away for even more money. So we'll lose out anyway. His replacement would be costly, but the good thing is he'll be paid to produce sooner than later.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Mar 7, 2015 0:02:24 GMT -8
Who is this "Perkins" fellow? That is my bad......his name is Brodricks "Buddha" Jones, a 6'9" Power Forward who can get to the rim pop the mid range jumper.....hear he is still growing! Don't know why I had Broderick Perkins on my brain= Brain Fart!
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Post by Gundo on Mar 7, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -8
Long and lean and a jumping machine!
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