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Post by legkick on Mar 1, 2015 17:20:39 GMT -8
We lost the last few tournament because of our bad offense. Our defense was not going to win it for us. That is my point here we need to have a good defense and a good offense but it's time for Fisher to start focusing on the offense for a change. Then, bottom line, you want a new coach. Every single one of your mind-numbing repetitive points about Pope has been conclusively answered with real facts and evidence. However, your whiny wishful fevered imagination refuses to let those sink in. Please slink away until after the next loss.
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Post by ourtime on Mar 1, 2015 17:29:25 GMT -8
You're entitled to your opinion obviously but a lot of experts disagree with you. Defense travels and defense wins tourneys are big and popular phrases for a reason. as for recruiting, these talented players all came here knowing they had to defend and it was the focus of the team. They still came, and others are still lining up to do so. The philosophy of this team has always been about excelling defensively. You don't change that for 1 player. We lost the last few tournament because of our bad offense. Our defense was not going to win it for us. That is my point here we need to have a good defense and a good offense but it's time for Fisher to start focusing on the offense for a change. And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 1, 2015 17:42:39 GMT -8
We lost the last few tournament because of our bad offense. Our defense was not going to win it for us. That is my point here we need to have a good defense and a good offense but it's time for Fisher to start focusing on the offense for a change. Then, bottom line, you want a new coach. Every single one of your mind-numbing repetitive points about Pope has been conclusively answered with real facts and evidence. However, your whiny wishful fevered imagination refuses to let those sink in. Please slink away until after the next loss. I want a coach who understands than we need both offense and defense to win. That too difficult?
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 1, 2015 17:44:22 GMT -8
We lost the last few tournament because of our bad offense. Our defense was not going to win it for us. That is my point here we need to have a good defense and a good offense but it's time for Fisher to start focusing on the offense for a change. And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. We lost last 2 tournament games do to that our offense couldn't keep up with the other teams offense! Droughts are bad offense!
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 1, 2015 18:08:40 GMT -8
And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. We lost last 2 tournament games do to that our offense couldn't keep up with the other teams offense! Droughts are bad offense! Everybody has it figured out that you and Merkarrand are the same guy. Plants from other teams. "No one will want to play here" etc. Davis played his guts out against Zona last year. He was hurt in the second half and was 1/2 of himself. Exactly who did we have off the bench who was going to carry us on the boards against those guys?? Our starting 5 matched, and was beating, Zona in that game. We just didn't have the quality depth they did. You are a plant and a fake.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 1, 2015 18:19:44 GMT -8
Bottom line is we did not score as much as they did did we? That means our offense was not as good! Correct? Stop drinking the kool aid!
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Post by uwphoto on Mar 1, 2015 18:29:13 GMT -8
Bottom line is we did not score as much as they did did we? That means our offense was not as good! Correct? Stop drinking the kool aid! Yea and Golden State beat Toronto the other night because they have more talent. Arizona had more talent 1-9 than we did last year. Davis and Thames could not do it by themselves. What is your point, or do you even have one?
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Post by ourtime on Mar 1, 2015 18:53:29 GMT -8
And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. We lost last 2 tournament games do to that our offense couldn't keep up with the other teams offense! Droughts are bad offense! Yeah my bad, I misread your post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 19:15:54 GMT -8
Bottom line is we did not score as much as they did did we? That means our offense was not as good! Correct? Stop drinking the kool aid! Or our defense wasn't as good because the Aztecs didn't hold the other team to few enough points. Correct? I love this site on rare occasions when the Aztec lose.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 1, 2015 20:04:36 GMT -8
Bottom line is we did not score as much as they did did we? That means our offense was not as good! Correct? Stop drinking the kool aid! Or our defense wasn't as good because the Aztecs didn't hold the other team to few enough points. Correct? I love this site on rare occasions when the Aztec lose. How about Florida Gulf Coast? See how a good offense beats us every time? This game was a perfect example! Once we play a good scoring team, we are done!
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 1, 2015 23:44:50 GMT -8
Or our defense wasn't as good because the Aztecs didn't hold the other team to few enough points. Correct? I love this site on rare occasions when the Aztec lose. How about Florida Gulf Coast? See how a good offense beats us every time? This game was a perfect example! Once we play a good scoring team, we are done! Byu can't score? CSU? Guess I missed that. Basketball is played at both ends. Some excel on O, others on D, and a few excel at both. Most dont excel at either. We're an average O team that excels defensively, which gives you a chance to win every night. We're a very good team. This team just had an off night. We've won 20+ and will be playing in MM. Some people celebrate success, others constantly bitch and whine and are never happy. We know which you are. So go kick your dig and smile.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 1, 2015 23:50:48 GMT -8
And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. We lost last 2 tournament games do to that our offense couldn't keep up with the other teams offense! Droughts are bad offense! Curious, how many times have teams gone through droughts playing us? When you figure that out maybe you'll understand fishers philosophy.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 2, 2015 0:10:35 GMT -8
How about Florida Gulf Coast? See how a good offense beats us every time? This game was a perfect example! Once we play a good scoring team, we are done! Byu can't score? CSU? Guess I missed that. Basketball is played at both ends. Some excel on O, others on D, and a few excel at both. Most dont excel at either. We're an average O team that excels defensively, which gives you a chance to win every night. We're a very good team. This team just had an off night. We've won 20+ and will be playing in MM. Some people celebrate success, others constantly bitch and whine and are never happy. We know which you are. So go kick your dig and smile. ^really? ? We were ranked #286 in points scored heading into that game out of 350 schools. Now we'll probably be back to #300. You guys just continue thinking that we are better than we are. Coach Fisher is a great defensive minded coach but one of the worst offensive minded coach in basketball! Keep thinking that we just had an off night. Wow! Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/42949/terrible-coaching-tonight?page=4#ixzz3TDJsg0Nx
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Post by northcountymike on Mar 2, 2015 2:07:55 GMT -8
he looked very frustrated after he made a nice little spurt on offense then he got sat down again. We need to stop thinking defense first and start focusing on the offense for a change. This defense first mentality might allow us to an conference but will never allow us to get further than that. We are not built to win the conference anymore we are built to go deep in the tournament now and we are not ready. You're entitled to your opinion obviously but a lot of experts disagree with you. Defense travels and defense wins tourneys are big and popular phrases for a reason. as for recruiting, these talented players all came here knowing they had to defend and it was the focus of the team. They still came, and others are still lining up to do so. The philosophy of this team has always been about excelling defensively. You don't change that for 1 player. Yes, I agree that "defense travels" and that "defense wins tourneys" like you say. However, a strong defense with no offense has led to us getting bounced from the tourney and not being able to advance past the sweet 16. Nothing wrong with wanting a little offense to go with that defense...
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 2, 2015 6:18:07 GMT -8
We lost the last few tournament because of our bad offense. Our defense was not going to win it for us. That is my point here we need to have a good defense and a good offense but it's time for Fisher to start focusing on the offense for a change. And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. They lost last year in the Tourney v. Arizona because they were gassed at the end because Fisher didn't substitute enough, especially mid-second half. How do I know this? Because Fisher said it in the post-game.
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Post by moctezumaii on Mar 2, 2015 6:21:18 GMT -8
Or our defense wasn't as good because the Aztecs didn't hold the other team to few enough points. Correct? I love this site on rare occasions when the Aztec lose. How about Florida Gulf Coast? See how a good offense beats us every time? This game was a perfect example! Once we play a good scoring team, we are done! Not true! We are often able to keep good offenses in check. See: BYU in Maui. Thing is, when our offense goes into the tank, it gets dicey. If the Aztecs had a roughly 'average' offense (120-150 or so in KenPom in adjusted O rather than 181) it would make a huge difference to go with their stupendous defense, they'd be Top 10 right now and a tough out for anyone including Kentucky. But it's hard to win a foot race with only one foot.
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 2, 2015 7:47:23 GMT -8
And wrong again. The Aztecs lost against Arizona last year because they went through one of their droughts (last years team did the same thing to a lesser extent, difference being Thames would often bail them out) towards the end of the game. They lost last year in the Tourney v. Arizona because they were gassed at the end because Fisher didn't substitute enough, especially mid-second half. How do I know this? Because Fisher said it in the post-game. Who cares what he said....bottom line is we didn't score enough and our offense has always been a problem. You need to score to win!
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Post by ctap13 on Mar 2, 2015 7:48:45 GMT -8
The issue is our offense is 95% in the tank and that's a major problem!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:54:24 GMT -8
Or our defense wasn't as good because the Aztecs didn't hold the other team to few enough points. Correct? I love this site on rare occasions when the Aztec lose. How about Florida Gulf Coast? See how a good offense beats us every time? This game was a perfect example! Once we play a good scoring team, we are done! So wait... it's that you think the Aztec's lose every time the other team scores more points? Oddly, I think that is consistent for every team and both the O and D are responsible for that. I think we all get that you don't think the O is good enough, you probably don't need to say it again. I mean it's clear it all 14 threads you have posted in.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 2, 2015 10:01:25 GMT -8
Byu can't score? CSU? Guess I missed that. Basketball is played at both ends. Some excel on O, others on D, and a few excel at both. Most dont excel at either. We're an average O team that excels defensively, which gives you a chance to win every night. We're a very good team. This team just had an off night. We've won 20+ and will be playing in MM. Some people celebrate success, others constantly bitch and whine and are never happy. We know which you are. So go kick your dig and smile. ^really? ? We were ranked #286 in points scored heading into that game out of 350 schools. Now we'll probably be back to #300. You guys just continue thinking that we are better than we are. Coach Fisher is a great defensive minded coach but one of the worst offensive minded coach in basketball! Keep thinking that we just had an off night. Wow! Read more: aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/42949/terrible-coaching-tonight?page=4#ixzz3TDJsg0NxThe objective of basketball is to outscore your opponent. If they score 50, then 51 is fine. If they score 60, then 61 is your objective. What's our record? 22-7 - do you think we've outscored teams more than not? Plus, anyone who follows the game knows how skewed overall points scored is. You have to adjust for game tempo, and when you do that we average 1.05 points/possession (adj), which is 181th nationally, or about average. In conference play we average 1.029 pts/possession, which ranks 5th in the conference. Again, average, or actually a little above average. We're an average offensive team who has been improving of late, but simply played poorly Saturday. Saturday was our worst offensive performance since early December. Our 2 worst offensive games were against BSU, which is a bad match-up for us.
Over the prior 4 games we were among the BEST in the conference in scoring. The BEST! Better than BSU or even CSU averaged over that same stretch. During the month of February we were as good as anyone in the conference. ANYONE! If you haven't noticed that you haven't been watching.
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Basketball is played on both ends of the floor. When you combine an average, yet improving offensive team with an elite defense you have a recipe for success. Would I like to see them score more, hell ya, but not if it means giving up your core values. We've proven we're capable of scoring, but we've definitely shown we're inconsistent. However, we have been much better of late. Until Saturday.
This game was a bad match-up for Pope, and it showed. He can't stay with Webb or keep him off the boards, and even Heyer was by him in 1 dribble when guarding the perimeter in the first half. The only guy Pope was equipped to guard was Duncan, and we couldn't risk having him go off on us. If you watched the first game you'll see 2 instances where Pope sagged off guys when he wasn't supposed to and they made him pay. Fisher highlighted 1 during his luncheon. I love Pope & think he brings a LOT to the table, especially offensively, but he had a bad game. The blocks were pretty, but he was recovering more than guarding, and even with that he played 18 minutes. The staff's goal for him is in the 20-24 range. JJ had a bad game. AQ had a horrible game, especially defensively. We had a bad game, but apparently BSU is simply a bad match-up for us this year.
Over reactions are over rated.
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