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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 24, 2014 14:49:37 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm I made the argument in another thread... I believe that this was our reloading year, as we are very young. aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/40838/ooc-schedule-next-year-completeAs for recruiting, how long did basketball have to live off of transfers? We are actually getting better, higher value transfers like Hayward, into the program now. So, I expect us to rely on two or three per year for the next four or five years. Please allow me to take exception to the "reloading year" comment. Usually, a rebuilding year follows one or more exceptionally good years. I do not consider 2013 to have been an outstanding year. In fact, 2013 was a decent year only, somewhat saved by a big bowl win over a very uninspiring bowl opponent. We have been waiting for decades for an outstanding season. I would define "outstanding season" as one in which we win at least 10 games, probably 11 or more, a bowl victory over a respected team, and ranking in the Top-25. Actually, we have NEVER had such a season. The closest Aztec football came to that would be 1977. In '77, we won 10 games, lost just one, and were ranked in the Top-25. Unfortunately, with so few bowl games in those days the team could not bowl. Anyway, we need to stop thinking of rebuilding and instead find a way to record that attention-getting season that will capture the attention of the country. AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 24, 2014 14:55:58 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm FYI, this thread is "Which bowl are we slotted for?"Not "Can Rocky Long ever get us to 10 or 11 wins." Correct, but the fact that we are in danger of not going bowling even with a 7-5 record demands that we ask a bigger question; namely, Why in a conference filled with very mediocre to bad teams, are we struggling? If you think that this program is not now struggling to dominate what is at best the 7th strongest FBS conference . . . well, in that case we are looking at different realities. AzWm
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Post by brokencurse on Nov 24, 2014 14:58:10 GMT -8
FYI, this thread is "Which bowl are we slotted for?"Not "Can Rocky Long ever get us to 10 or 11 wins." Correct, but the fact that we are in danger of not going bowling even with a 7-5 record demands that we ask a bigger question; namely, Why in a conference filled with very mediocre to bad teams, are we struggling? If you think that this program is not now struggling to dominate what is at best the 7th strongest FBS conference . . . well, in that case we are looking at different realities. AzWm We have zero danger of not going bowling with a 7-5 record.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 24, 2014 15:21:45 GMT -8
Correct, but the fact that we are in danger of not going bowling even with a 7-5 record demands that we ask a bigger question; namely, Why in a conference filled with very mediocre to bad teams, are we struggling? If you think that this program is not now struggling to dominate what is at best the 7th strongest FBS conference . . . well, in that case we are looking at different realities. AzWm We have zero danger of not going bowling with a 7-5 record. Perhaps I have not communicated my thoughts on this point well. The program, in my view, is simply far below what it should be. Maybe you think arriving at the last regular season game with a 6-5 record is not a cause for concern. I certainly am disappointed. The problem is that the program has suffered so often in the past three and a half decades from poor leadership. AzWm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 15:31:55 GMT -8
We have zero danger of not going bowling with a 7-5 record. Perhaps I have not communicated my thoughts on this point well. The program, in my view, is simply far below what it should be. Maybe you think arriving at the last regular season game with a 6-5 record is not a cause for concern. I certainly am disappointed. The problem is that the program has suffered so often in the past three and a half decades from poor leadership. AzWm But that's not the issue of this thread. You of all people should be cognizant of that.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Nov 24, 2014 15:33:14 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm FYI, this thread is "Which bowl are we slotted for?" Not "Can Rocky Long ever get us to 10 or 11 wins." PSSSTTT, there are a couple new threads that haven't hijacked yet. Best get over there while the gettin is good.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 24, 2014 16:01:12 GMT -8
Perhaps I have not communicated my thoughts on this point well. The program, in my view, is simply far below what it should be. Maybe you think arriving at the last regular season game with a 6-5 record is not a cause for concern. I certainly am disappointed. The problem is that the program has suffered so often in the past three and a half decades from poor leadership. AzWm But that's not the issue of this thread. You of all people should be cognizant of that. Hey, come on - cut the old guy some slack. He's so old that he graduated from SDSU when Don Coryell was still a relatively new coach for the Aztecs. He's bound to lose track of the topic from time to time...
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Post by junior on Nov 24, 2014 16:59:43 GMT -8
The ONLY bowel game where my ass would be likely to be planted would be the Poinsettia Bowel - so bring it on!
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Post by brokencurse on Nov 24, 2014 17:47:03 GMT -8
We have zero danger of not going bowling with a 7-5 record. Perhaps I have not communicated my thoughts on this point well. The program, in my view, is simply far below what it should be. Maybe you think arriving at the last regular season game with a 6-5 record is not a cause for concern. I certainly am disappointed. The problem is that the program has suffered so often in the past three and a half decades from poor leadership. AzWm Gotcha. Not to be a pain in the butt but please point me to the appropriate thread for this discussion and I'd be happy to give you my take
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Post by aztecbb on Nov 24, 2014 18:01:50 GMT -8
We have zero danger of not going bowling with a 7-5 record. Perhaps I have not communicated my thoughts on this point well. The program, in my view, is simply far below what it should be. Maybe you think arriving at the last regular season game with a 6-5 record is not a cause for concern. I certainly am disappointed. The problem is that the program has suffered so often in the past three and a half decades from poor leadership. AzWm William, quick , I think one of those kids on on your lawn!!
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 25, 2014 2:24:32 GMT -8
All projections I saw have SDSU in Paint Bowl against UTEP in ALBQ or vs Ohio U in Potato. 7 wins is not enough to get Poinsettia Bowl and this team is not as good as our last Potato Bowl team. espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projectionsThe Poinsettia Bowl director is Bruce Binkowski. Stephanie Loh spoke with the guy and he pretty much said if we finish 7-5, they would want us to play Navy. The only bowl with a priority for MWC schools over that of the Poinsettia is the LV Bowl which will take the conference champion if that champion doesn't get the G5's Access Bowl slot or if that happens would take the MWC's next best team and the chances of either one being SDSU are slim and none. The only other bowl which might enter the equation is the Cactus Bowl if Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma but that bowl isn't going to take us either except in the unlikely event Boise goes to the Access Bowl and the LV Bowl then takes CSU. Even then the Cactus would be more likely to take AFA than us if they're available. So assuming we win on Saturday, unless Fresno loses to Hawaii and we therefore go to the conference title game and pull off a huge upset of Boise, Binkowski is not only going to want us, he's going to be available to take us. Of course, he could have been deceiving Stephanie and SDSU fans when he heavily implied that his bowl game would take a 7-5 SDSU, but is the guy really that dumb? Finally, there is an outside chance we could end up in the Paint Bowl even if we win Saturday but no way in hell will we return to the Potato Bowl with a 7-5 record this year. Not a chance in the world and any pundit who says so is clueless. Edit: Forgot to add this. Why on earth would the Poinsettia Bowl want Utah State when the Aggies played in that bowl just last year? Stoopid. Dum. Actually I heard tonight that if BSU doesn't get Fiesta bowl they will lobby for poinsettia over Vegas, and poinsettia will take them over us. BSU travels well and selling hotel rooms trumps ticket sales. So as painful as this sounds we want BSU to win out and get that P5 bowl slot if we want to go to poinsettia. CSU would go to Vegas. Btw, 7-5 we are definitely in a bowl. 6-6 and we would have to have big 12 fall short of cactus bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:04:50 GMT -8
Well I figure most likley New Mexico Bowl
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 11:33:09 GMT -8
Sporting News has Aztecs in New Mexico Bowl against UTEP Looking at who UTEP beat I hope we get the Hawaii Bowl and UAB. Two wins against the Lobos and New Mexico St. Aggies.
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Post by adammclane on Nov 25, 2014 12:33:40 GMT -8
I just put in my reservations at GoAztecs... here's what I'm on the hook to do, how about you?
- Poinsettia (actually, already have tickets) - Vegas (I can dream, right?) - Cactus (never heard of it, but it's in January!)
How about others... which game would you go to?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:22:43 GMT -8
The Poinsettia Bowl director is Bruce Binkowski. Stephanie Loh spoke with the guy and he pretty much said if we finish 7-5, they would want us to play Navy. The only bowl with a priority for MWC schools over that of the Poinsettia is the LV Bowl which will take the conference champion if that champion doesn't get the G5's Access Bowl slot or if that happens would take the MWC's next best team and the chances of either one being SDSU are slim and none. The only other bowl which might enter the equation is the Cactus Bowl if Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma but that bowl isn't going to take us either except in the unlikely event Boise goes to the Access Bowl and the LV Bowl then takes CSU. Even then the Cactus would be more likely to take AFA than us if they're available. So assuming we win on Saturday, unless Fresno loses to Hawaii and we therefore go to the conference title game and pull off a huge upset of Boise, Binkowski is not only going to want us, he's going to be available to take us. Of course, he could have been deceiving Stephanie and SDSU fans when he heavily implied that his bowl game would take a 7-5 SDSU, but is the guy really that dumb? Finally, there is an outside chance we could end up in the Paint Bowl even if we win Saturday but no way in hell will we return to the Potato Bowl with a 7-5 record this year. Not a chance in the world and any pundit who says so is clueless. Edit: Forgot to add this. Why on earth would the Poinsettia Bowl want Utah State when the Aggies played in that bowl just last year? Stoopid. Dum. Actually I heard tonight that if BSU doesn't get Fiesta bowl they will lobby for poinsettia over Vegas, and poinsettia will take them over us. BSU travels well and selling hotel rooms trumps ticket sales. So as painful as this sounds we want BSU to win out and get that P5 bowl slot if we want to go to poinsettia. CSU would go to Vegas. Btw, 7-5 we are definitely in a bowl. 6-6 and we would have to have big 12 fall short of cactus bowl. I agree we should root for Boise to win out. Not only would it be good for the MWC, an embarrassment like Marshall doesn't deserve to get to the Access Bowl.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 25, 2014 14:54:11 GMT -8
I made the argument in another thread... I believe that this was our reloading year, as we are very young. aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/40838/ooc-schedule-next-year-completeAs for recruiting, how long did basketball have to live off of transfers? We are actually getting better, higher value transfers like Hayward, into the program now. So, I expect us to rely on two or three per year for the next four or five years. Please allow me to take exception to the "reloading year" comment. Usually, a rebuilding year follows one or more exceptionally good years. I do not consider 2013 to have been an outstanding year. In fact, 2013 was a decent year only, somewhat saved by a big bowl win over a very uninspiring bowl opponent. We have been waiting for decades for an outstanding season. I would define "outstanding season" as one in which we win at least 10 games, probably 11 or more, a bowl victory over a respected team, and ranking in the Top-25. Actually, we have NEVER had such a season. The closest Aztec football came to that would be 1977. In '77, we won 10 games, lost just one, and were ranked in the Top-25. Unfortunately, with so few bowl games in those days the team could not bowl. Anyway, we need to stop thinking of rebuilding and instead find a way to record that attention-getting season that will capture the attention of the country. AzWm And basketball didn't have one until just a few years ago, more than a decade into coach's tenure at State. My belief was that we were very young this year and we are. That it would hide, to some extent, our improved athletes and execution and it has. Maybe reloading is the wrong term, but we are getting better amd we are young. Please tell me if you disagree with anything I said in the other post about why we will be better, 10 wins better, next year.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 25, 2014 14:56:29 GMT -8
Actually I heard tonight that if BSU doesn't get Fiesta bowl they will lobby for poinsettia over Vegas, and poinsettia will take them over us. BSU travels well and selling hotel rooms trumps ticket sales. So as painful as this sounds we want BSU to win out and get that P5 bowl slot if we want to go to poinsettia. CSU would go to Vegas. Btw, 7-5 we are definitely in a bowl. 6-6 and we would have to have big 12 fall short of cactus bowl. I agree we should root for Boise to win out. Not only would it be good for the MWC, an embarrassment like Marshall doesn't deserve to get to the Access Bowl. I tend to agree with the second point. Marshall has played a very weak schedule. However, I can't understand why you would call the Thundering Herd an "embarrassment." They played the teams they were contracted to play and won every one up to this point. How is that an emagarrassment? Now New Mexico state . . . which has not played in the bowl game since I was a senior in high school . . . that's an embarrassment! AzWm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:47:45 GMT -8
Before anything else we have to win Saturday, then win in a bowl. WE can use the extra 15 days or practice, do not see any glaring weakness's on this team in 2015 Rodriguez or Chapman or Bawden should be at least average. Everywhere else we are fairly deep. I wish I know hat the rules of bowls are for the league, they have a pecking order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:03:00 GMT -8
Before anything else we have to win Saturday, then win in a bowl. WE can use the extra 15 days or practice, do not see any glaring weakness's on this team in 2015 Rodriguez or Chapman or Bawden should be at least average. Everywhere else we are fairly deep. I wish I know hat the rules of bowls are for the league, they have a pecking order. 2015 be da year! No excuses. Kick ass.
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