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Post by fanhood on Nov 17, 2014 17:56:55 GMT -8
I want to know who we are playing, so this delusional fan base can state that if we do not go 12-0 Rocky should be fired.
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Post by Spud on Nov 17, 2014 18:34:03 GMT -8
Whatever the schedule is, we better do better than 7-5...
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2014 18:35:08 GMT -8
I want to know what your definition of "is" is?
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Post by monty on Nov 17, 2014 19:10:19 GMT -8
Beautiful straw man. Yup, I see a lot of people demanding we go 12-0. You really knocked that over.
To answer the thread - when the schedule is complete, if the team has a pulse, we'll lose to them.
2011: 1-4 vs teams with winning records
2012: 2-3
2013: 2-5
2014: 0-4
The only way rocky long is going undefeated is if every team on the schedule can't win 7 games. He's 5 and flipping 16 against teams worth even the slightest damn.
So, no, not a single person would expect a coach that wins less than 25 percent of his games against teams that can beat 6 or more 1a teams and a 1aa team to go undefeated.
Next fallacy, Pebble Lovers: we've already had I was in the military so f you and now how dare you expect things you don't expect.
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Post by fanhood on Nov 17, 2014 19:25:20 GMT -8
Beautiful straw man. Yup, I see a lot of people demanding we go 12-0. You really knocked that over. To answer the thread - when the schedule is complete, if the team has a pulse, we'll lose to them. 2011: 1-4 vs teams with winning records 2012: 2-3 2013: 2-5 2014: 0-4 The only way rocky long is going undefeated is if every team on the schedule can't win 7 games. He's 5 and flipping 16 against teams worth even the slightest damn. So, no, not a single person would expect a coach that wins less than 25 percent of his games against teams that can beat 6 or more 1a teams and a 1aa team to go undefeated. Next fallacy, Pebble Lovers: we've already had I was in the military so f you and now how dare you expect things you don't expect. You are not a very good writer and I had trouble reading few sentences. The last sentence you wrote was unintelligible. However I think I understand the gist of what you are saying. I have no idea what our record will be next year. With that, if we assume that the remaining two games will be against an FCS team, as well as a team from the Sun Belt, MAC, or Conference USA that we should beat, I think that 9-3 would be a great season. Going on the road against CAL and Penn State will be very challenging. We also have to play at Colorado State, and a tough Home game against Utah State. Thankfully, we get Fresno State and Nevada at Home which should give us an advantage. |
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Post by Gundo on Nov 17, 2014 20:02:07 GMT -8
Just two FBS awaybgames are scheduled they are at CAL on 9/12 and at PENN ST on 9/26, so we still need our team home OOC games confirmed.
As for our MWC games we don't play Boise St and AFA for the next two years.
2015 Games with dates TBA
* MWC home games: Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming
* MWC road games: Colorado State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV
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Post by monty on Nov 17, 2014 20:07:34 GMT -8
Beautiful straw man. Yup, I see a lot of people demanding we go 12-0. You really knocked that over. To answer the thread - when the schedule is complete, if the team has a pulse, we'll lose to them. 2011: 1-4 vs teams with winning records 2012: 2-3 2013: 2-5 2014: 0-4 The only way rocky long is going undefeated is if every team on the schedule can't win 7 games. He's 5 and flipping 16 against teams worth even the slightest damn. So, no, not a single person would expect a coach that wins less than 25 percent of his games against teams that can beat 6 or more 1a teams and a 1aa team to go undefeated. Next fallacy, Pebble Lovers: we've already had I was in the military so f you and now how dare you expect things you don't expect. and I had trouble reading few sentences. The last sentence you wrote was unintelligible. However I think I understand the gist of what you are saying. I have no idea what our record will be next year. With that, if we assume that the remaining two games will be against an FCS team, as well as a team from the Sun Belt, MAC, or Conference USA that we should beat, I think that 9-3 would be a great season. Going on the road against CAL and Penn State will be very challenging. We also have to play at Colorado State, and a tough Home game against Utah State. Thankfully, we get Fresno State and Nevada at Home which should give us an advantage. Fits with the rocky apologists. So the only support for Mr Long is: An appeal to authority and/or emotion with the marine bringing puppies to toddler veterans A ridiculous strawman Ad hominem Law of excluded middle: well, we used to be terrible I can only await what is next. |
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Post by fisherville on Nov 17, 2014 20:27:42 GMT -8
I want to know who we are playing, so this delusional fan base can state that if we do not go 12-0 Rocky should be fired. We will go no better than 8-4 in the regular season and people will call it a success and say how amazing of a coach Rocky is. This happens pretty much every year |
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Post by ourtime on Nov 17, 2014 20:53:57 GMT -8
You are not a very good writer and I had trouble reading few sentences. The last sentence you wrote was unintelligible. However I think I understand the gist of what you are saying. I have no idea what our record will be next year. With that, if we assume that the remaining two games will be against an FCS team, as well as a team from the Sun Belt, MAC, or Conference USA that we should beat, I think that 9-3 would be a great season. Going on the road against CAL and Penn State will be very challenging. We also have to play at Colorado State, and a tough Home game against Utah State. Thankfully, we get Fresno State and Nevada at Home which should give us an advantage. Fits with the rocky apologists. So the only support for Mr Long is: An appeal to authority and/or emotion with the marine bringing puppies to toddler veterans A ridiculous strawman Ad hominem Law of excluded middle: well, we used to be terrible I can only await what is next. Ha. This is effing brilliant! |
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Post by fanhood on Nov 17, 2014 22:06:03 GMT -8
You are not a very good writer and I had trouble reading few sentences. The last sentence you wrote was unintelligible. However I think I understand the gist of what you are saying. I have no idea what our record will be next year. With that, if we assume that the remaining two games will be against an FCS team, as well as a team from the Sun Belt, MAC, or Conference USA that we should beat, I think that 9-3 would be a great season. Going on the road against CAL and Penn State will be very challenging. We also have to play at Colorado State, and a tough Home game against Utah State. Thankfully, we get Fresno State and Nevada at Home which should give us an advantage. Fits with the rocky apologists. So the only support for Mr Long is: An appeal to authority and/or emotion with the marine bringing puppies to toddler veterans A ridiculous strawman Ad hominem Law of excluded middle: well, we used to be terrible I can only await what is next. Again, I am just not sure what you are saying here. Your writing is unintelligible. What exactly is a marine puppy toting toddler veteran? A toddler serving as a vet is quite the feat. This year has been disappointing. However, the previous three years were good. I expect us to win the Pacific Division next season. Anything less than that would be underachieving. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 23:00:25 GMT -8
An appeal to authority and/or emotion with the marine bringing puppies to toddler veterans
That is directed at me and it is yes rather direct personal ridicule. I don't bring puppies I take the old guys to the movies in the handicap van. It is Marine by the way as in Marine Corps My talk about veterans was generated not by a Rocky Apologia but by remarks about "Old people."
The tsunami of reference to retreads, Old people ,etc and so on gets on some old peoples nerves. Also for me personally I do not support Rocky in every respect but when you have a rash of injury's crap happens, ie Air Force last year. Your taking something out of context and putting it into another context. There is plenty of appeal to emotion and emotive content in the Fire Rocky polemics. I also know as any rational person should, they will not fire Coach Long this year. NO I will not be happy with 8-4 I will be pissed in fact. Feel free however to make up what you like about "Rocky Apologists" since you do already. Do you seriously think they will fire him because the fans on this forum are in a rage? Here is one for you only a hasty generalization:
is the fallacy of examining just one or very few examples or studying a single case, and generalizing that to be representative of the whole class of objects or phenomena. that sound 9if because There is no prima face proof that firing Rocky Long will elevate the Aztecs to a hire level, nor is there evidence he will not fail either. Also you ignore many of us who say that if he does not improver the team substantially he should be replaced.
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Post by aztech on Nov 17, 2014 23:31:33 GMT -8
2011: 1-4 vs teams with winning records 2012: 2-3 2013: 2-5 2014: 0-4
That is one segment of your post that caught my eye. I didn't realize it went back that far. BTW, the last team we play this season with a winning record is next, AFA.
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Post by sdsudevil on Nov 18, 2014 0:17:29 GMT -8
Playing our winnable P5 game, and our assumed body bag, so likely the other two will be body bags. Although I would not be opposed to a second decided us-as-underdog game.
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2014 0:38:26 GMT -8
2011: 1-4 vs teams with winning records 2012: 2-3 2013: 2-5 2014: 0-4
That is one segment of your post that caught my eye. I didn't realize it went back that far. BTW, the last team we play this season with a winning record is next, AFA.
It's the exact same thing at UNM. That is rocky - he loses to teams with a pulse; his record is better at sdsu because he has played a softer schedule. If a team is going to a bowl game, long is losing to them. |
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Post by monty on Nov 18, 2014 0:41:19 GMT -8
An appeal to authority and/or emotion with the marine bringing puppies to toddler veterans
That is directed at me and it is yes rather direct personal ridicule. I don't bring puppies I take the old guys to the movies in the handicap van. It is Marine by the way as in Marine Corps My talk about veterans was generated not by a Rocky Apologia but by remarks about "Old people." The tsunami of reference to retreads, Old people ,etc and so on gets on some old peoples nerves. Also for me personally I do not support Rocky in every respect but when you have a rash of injury's crap happens, ie Air Force last year. Your taking something out of context and putting it into another context. There is plenty of appeal to emotion and emotive content in the Fire Rocky polemics. I also know as any rational person should, they will not fire Coach Long this year. NO I will not be happy with 8-4 I will be pissed in fact. Feel free however to make up what you like about "Rocky Apologists" since you do already. Do you seriously think they will fire him because the fans on this forum are in a rage? Here is one for you only a hasty generalization: is the fallacy of examining just one or very few examples or studying a single case, and generalizing that to be representative of the whole class of objects or phenomena. that sound 9if because There is no prima face proof that firing Rocky Long will elevate the Aztecs to a hire level, nor is there evidence he will not fail either. Also you ignore many of us who say that if he does not improver the team substantially he should be replaced. you defend and make excuses for rocky on a regular basis. You deserve ridicule for that I was in the military therefore you are a bunch of losers drivel. You don't want to be in the fox hole with us losers, I don't want to be in the foxhole with a guy that loses to every decent opponent he faces. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 8:18:56 GMT -8
Feel free however to make up what you like about "Rocky Apologists"
you defend and make excuses for rocky on a regular basis. You deserve ridicule for that I was in the military therefore you are a bunch of losers drivel. You don't want to be in the fox hole with us losers, I don't want to be in the foxhole with a guy that loses to every decent opponent he faces.
I did not know personal attacks were OK on this forum if a person "deserved ridicule",interesting. 'YOU area bunch of losers drivel. Now that is a devastating bon mot almost Shakespearean. I think for effect it would work better as a pool of losers drivel, or a rain of slobbing losers drool.
I don't want to be in the foxhole with a guy that loses to every decent opponent he faces.
The context of the previous reference is in regard to quitting on something when the times get tough.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 18, 2014 9:01:36 GMT -8
Just two FBS awaybgames are scheduled they are at CAL on 9/12 and at PENN ST on 9/26, so we still need our team home OOC games confirmed. As for our MWC games we don't play Boise St and AFA for the next two years. 2015 Games with dates TBA * MWC home games: Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State, Wyoming * MWC road games: Colorado State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV Cal = UNC PSU = OSU We will win our home conference games and win 3 of four on the road. We will win our 2 OOC games at home. We will be 9 - 1, I think we will beat Cal and finish at 10 - 2. Why? OL will be better - 4 of 5 starters back with better athletes as backups. RB will be better - DP is back as well as DG... I feel like Stamps amd Penny will provide better depth and additonal breakaway capability. WR will be better - half the year without Ruffin, Mills, Clark, Judge, Hazley, Holder are all back and with experience. I expect a more explosive set of receivers next year. TE will be better - all of the TE's are back, except Roberts. More experience and Wells looks athletic. DL will be as good if not better - of the 14 guys in the depth chart last week only Meredith and Onuoaha graduate amd everyone else is back. LB will be as good - graduate Largent, Gavert amd Galea, but everyone else is back and hopefully a full year of Fely, Melifeuano looks explosive amd Munson is going to be a star. DB will be better - only graduate JJ, we will have a bunch of guys who have played and learned a lot this year. I expect them to be much better. Special Teams will be about the same, Hageman back, as well as McMorrow for kick offs and solid return men. We will just have to replace Alesi. QB will be better - this is what it will all come down to next year. If we had a top line QB coming back next year people would be talking about us like they did Fresno going into last year. If either Jake (more likely) or Bawden turn into the athletic top level QB that we need, then we win at least the 10 games I am calling. Now if we go 6 and 6 or 7 and 5 next year then I will jump to the front of the fire Rocky line, for now I can't see it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 9:04:07 GMT -8
I expect us to win the Pacific Division next season. Are they changing the name of it and nobody else heard?  As to your comment that 9-3 would be a great season, I must rebut. Given our featherweight Molehill West schedule and the depth of our squad, I see no reason we shouldn't go undefeated in the conference. At a minimum we should go 7-1. And although our efforts on the East Coast suggest there's no way we're going to win at Penn State, since Cal is a middling Pac team with one of the half dozen worst pass defenses in the country this year, it's high time in what will be the seventh year of the "rebuild" for us to beat that P5 team there. So unless and until I hear something to persuade me to the contrary, for me, it's ten wins or bust. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 18, 2014 9:11:42 GMT -8
I expect us to win the Pacific Division next season. Are they changing the name of it and nobody else heard? As to your comment that 9-3 would be a great season, I must rebut. Given our featherweight Molehill West schedule and the depth of our squad, I see no reason we shouldn't go undefeated in the conference. At a minimum we should go 7-1. And although our efforts on the East Coast suggest there's no way we're going to win at Penn State, since Cal is a middling Pac team with one of the half dozen worst pass defenses in the country this year, it's high time in what will be the seventh year of the "rebuild" for us to beat that P5 team there. So unless and until I hear something to persuade me to the contrary, for me, it's ten wins or bust. I second that. I'm withholding all Rocky judgement until next season, which will be the first season where he has the talent to succeed. If he doesn't win 10 next season I'll be pretty much over him |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 9:33:41 GMT -8
Are they changing the name of it and nobody else heard? As to your comment that 9-3 would be a great season, I must rebut. Given our featherweight Molehill West schedule and the depth of our squad, I see no reason we shouldn't go undefeated in the conference. At a minimum we should go 7-1. And although our efforts on the East Coast suggest there's no way we're going to win at Penn State, since Cal is a middling Pac team with one of the half dozen worst pass defenses in the country this year, it's high time in what will be the seventh year of the "rebuild" for us to beat that P5 team there. So unless and until I hear something to persuade me to the contrary, for me, it's ten wins or bust. I second that. I'm withholding all Rocky judgement until next season, which will be the first season where he has the talent to succeed. If he doesn't win 10 next season I'll be pretty much over him agree with all of the above.appreciate what Rocky has done for the defense but the offense it is just horrible,yet the talent level except QB is not bad. |
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