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Post by standiego on Nov 24, 2014 8:49:04 GMT -8
This is where the fallacy of the two division winners playing in a championship is flawed ,for MW and other Conferences . The best two teams in the MW are CSU and BSU . They should go to the top two bowls . Does Fresno deserve to move ahead of other teams if it finishes 6-6 , but has the best record in the West and plays in the MW Championship Bowl? Or do you reward teams that at least try to play P5 schools ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 8:52:45 GMT -8
The PB needs SDSU and Navy in the game to fill seats. Attendance at the game the last few years has been horrible. Right. And for that reason it makes absolutely no sense that the PB would want USU again. Schlabach has never known anything about the MWC and it appears that although McMurphy once followed the conference, that's changed now that he's an ESPN bigshot.
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Post by standiego on Nov 24, 2014 9:10:31 GMT -8
As noted USU was here last year . AFA has played Navy earlier this year , was just here last week vs SDSU. So for the P-Bowl CSU, BSU then SDSU ? So if the team wanted a better bowl they had opportunity to get into the Championship Bowl but did not . So is it better to travel to New Mexico or back to Boise ? Playing in a Bowl in SD , still will have Perks . For the team the extra practices ,including RED SHIRTS ( J.R. .... and younger guys ) and most of all RECRUITING , as recruits come to San Diego ,or maybe the Bowl Game or practices for the game ?
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 24, 2014 9:26:54 GMT -8
If the MWC is slated to fill in for the CACTUS BOWL empty slot if the BIG12 cant fill it... then why are all the predictions i see online have Temple getting into that Bowl and not a MWC team?
Does the MWC not have enough bowl eligible teams either?
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 24, 2014 10:00:16 GMT -8
All projections I saw have SDSU in Paint Bowl against UTEP in ALBQ or vs Ohio U in Potato. 7 wins is not enough to get Poinsettia Bowl and this team is not as good as our last Potato Bowl team. espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projectionsThe Poinsettia Bowl director is Bruce Binkowski. Stephanie Loh spoke with the guy and he pretty much said if we finish 7-5, they would want us to play Navy. The only bowl with a priority for MWC schools over that of the Poinsettia is the LV Bowl which will take the conference champion if that champion doesn't get the G5's Access Bowl slot or if that happens would take the MWC's next best team and the chances of either one being SDSU are slim and none. The only other bowl which might enter the equation is the Cactus Bowl if Oklahoma State loses to Oklahoma but that bowl isn't going to take us either except in the unlikely event Boise goes to the Access Bowl and the LV Bowl then takes CSU. Even then the Cactus would be more likely to take AFA than us if they're available. So assuming we win on Saturday, unless Fresno loses to Hawaii and we therefore go to the conference title game and pull off a huge upset of Boise, Binkowski is not only going to want us, he's going to be available to take us. Of course, he could have been deceiving Stephanie and SDSU fans when he heavily implied that his bowl game would take a 7-5 SDSU, but is the guy really that dumb? Finally, there is an outside chance we could end up in the Paint Bowl even if we win Saturday but no way in hell will we return to the Potato Bowl with a 7-5 record this year. Not a chance in the world and any pundit who says so is clueless. Edit: Forgot to add this. Why on earth would the Poinsettia Bowl want Utah State when the Aggies played in that bowl just last year? Stoopid. Dum. Dead on!
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 24, 2014 10:02:24 GMT -8
If the MWC is slated to fill in for the CACTUS BOWL empty slot if the BIG12 cant fill it... then why are all the predictions i see online have Temple getting into that Bowl and not a MWC team? Does the MWC not have enough bowl eligible teams either? They will if FSU wins this weekend.
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 24, 2014 10:14:35 GMT -8
If the MWC is slated to fill in for the CACTUS BOWL empty slot if the BIG12 cant fill it... then why are all the predictions i see online have Temple getting into that Bowl and not a MWC team? Does the MWC not have enough bowl eligible teams either? They will if FSU wins this weekend. Dang. We need Fresnucky State to lose, but it would be good if Boise wins out so the Conference as a whole gets more "Bowl Love" ugh.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 24, 2014 10:17:53 GMT -8
They will if FSU wins this weekend. Dang. We need Fresnucky State to lose, but it would be good if Boise wins out so the Conference as a whole gets more "Bowl Love" ugh. I don't know if I wrote that correctly, we have six eligible amd six ties. If we get to seven eligible, then we can send someone to cover a game like the Cactus Bowl. A win by FSU could be good for the conference, but I can't root for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:22:35 GMT -8
Dang. We need Fresnucky State to lose, but it would be good if Boise wins out so the Conference as a whole gets more "Bowl Love" ugh. I don't know if I wrote that correctly, we have six eligible amd six ties. If we get to seven eligible, then we can send someone to cover a game like the Cactus Bowl. A win by FSU could be good for the conference, but I can't root for them. what happens when they lose the championship game and end up 6-7? Does that disqualify them?
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 24, 2014 10:26:04 GMT -8
Dang. We need Fresnucky State to lose, but it would be good if Boise wins out so the Conference as a whole gets more "Bowl Love" ugh. I don't know if I wrote that correctly, we have six eligible amd six ties. If we get to seven eligible, then we can send someone to cover a game like the Cactus Bowl. A win by FSU could be good for the conference, but I can't root for them. Oh thanks, i get it. Crap! Yeah...if Fresno wins they could possibly get to that cactus bowl too. All those losses for us are really coming back to bite us in the ass.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:35:38 GMT -8
I found the answer On April 26, 2006, the NCAA announced that they were relaxing the rules for eligibility starting with the 2006 season, particularly in light of the new twelve-game college football season. Now, teams with a minimum non-losing, or .500, record can qualify for bowl games if their conference has a contract with a bowl game. Also, other teams with a minimum non-losing .500 record (i.e. 6–6) could earn bowl bids if all other FBS teams with winning records have been taken and postseason spots still remain vacant. In thirteen-game seasons (used because of conference championship games, or allowable for Hawaiʻi and any of its home opponents in a given season), a team must win seven games.
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Post by socalaztecfan on Nov 24, 2014 11:38:01 GMT -8
I don't know about you but I would much rather buy Pointsettia Bowl schwag with a Navy opponent than Potato Bowl schwag. Just sayin'.
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Post by pdraztec on Nov 24, 2014 12:12:13 GMT -8
ALTO, STOP, HALT, WAIT........Have we already beaten SJSU.......NO! People have short memories on taking games for granted. Let's see how the games play out this weekend....they have a way of determining some of these questions. I don't think this team is a sure thing on any game they play.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:32:10 GMT -8
I found the answer On April 26, 2006, the NCAA announced that they were relaxing the rules for eligibility starting with the 2006 season, particularly in light of the new twelve-game college football season. Now, teams with a minimum non-losing, or .500, record can qualify for bowl games if their conference has a contract with a bowl game. Also, other teams with a minimum non-losing .500 record (i.e. 6–6) could earn bowl bids if all other F BS teams with winning records have been taken and postseason spots still remain vacant. In thirteen-game seasons (used because of conference championship games, or allowable for Hawaiʻi and any of its home opponents in a given season), a team must win seven games.Not sure where you got that but I have to question the reliability of the source because that just makes no sense at least in the context of the current MWC. As I said on this or the other bowl thread, it seems patently unfair that if Fresno beats Hawaii and then loses to Boise in the MWC title game that they shouldn't go bowling but we should go instead if we lose to SJSU and finish 6-6. The only reason they would have a sub-.500 record would be because they finished with the same regular season MWC record that we did but beat us head to head. So to give the final MWC bowl berth to us rather than Fresno would be to reward us for not being good enough to beat them. Assuming we beat SJSU and Fresno beats Hawaii but loses to Boise, Fresno really couldn't complain since they would have finished 6-6 in the regular season whereas we would have finished 7-5 but if we finish 6-6 and they finish 6-7 and we get the last MWC bowl slot whereas they stay home, something will be really rotten in Denmark or wherever the NCAA headquarters are.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 24, 2014 12:35:16 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm
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Post by standiego on Nov 24, 2014 13:20:19 GMT -8
at the start of the season . Believe we were picked to finish second in the West . Most likely where we will finish . QK most of us were hoping could be as good as was last year , with a full year under his belt . QK could not do Spring Ball but Bawden was there and other QB's , to get a back up QB ready . That did not happen . Who should take the hit for that ? All the coaches are saying how important the QB is now . To many of us that is too late , as the team misses a shot at the MW Championship . How much better is BSU then the Aztecs ? Do the coaches honestly feel the importance of the QB role on the team and have it be the focal point for the Aztecs Program going forward If so then there needs to be marked improvement and a plan to Recruit and Develop QB's . No more excuses for SDSU not being known as a QB school and having one of the best QB's in the MW . Are J.R . , Bawden , Chapmen going to be the answer for 2015 ?? Sure hope so ,or they better get working on it the day after the last game or be on the recruiting trail . Any bowl game gives the team extra practices , including J.R and the other QB's.So get into any bowl , to reward this team and help the team next year with practices and recruiting . All the bowls are minor league but do help the program . In all reality and money issues Rocky comes back but there should be better expectations for 2015 . do not see the road games at Penn State and CAL as easy , but do expect the Aztecs to be in the MW Championship with at least a 6-2 or 7-1 record.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 24, 2014 13:32:00 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm I made the argument in another thread... I believe that this was our reloading year, as we are very young. aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/40838/ooc-schedule-next-year-completeAs for recruiting, how long did basketball have to live off of transfers? We are actually getting better, higher value transfers like Hayward, into the program now. So, I expect us to rely on two or three per year for the next four or five years.
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Post by AzTuba85 on Nov 24, 2014 13:43:33 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 13:48:01 GMT -8
Thanks. It's a terrible rule potentially patently unfair to Fresno in this instance but it is what it is.
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Post by brokencurse on Nov 24, 2014 14:44:45 GMT -8
For me, the bottom line is that this staff was unable to recruit a solid scholarship QB, using QK as a serviceable backup. That recruiting failure probably cost us two wins this year. For next year, many are enthusiastic about a transfer QB who may or may not be the answer. Why have we not recruited better quarterbacks coming out of high school? We should not have to keep our fingers crossed, hoping that somebody will want to transfer in. You can't always count on that.
So here we are, in serious danger of having a winning team (assuming a win over SJSU) have to stay home for the holidays. And that would be the end of our consecutive bowl games.
In the UT this morning they write "Not the season the Aztecs expected." Perhaps not, but it looks like this kind of season is what we have been getting and are likely to continue to get. Well, that will continue if those who run the program continue serving in their current roles.
If I am completely off base, will someone explain why it makes sense to think that this program is on the verge of winning 10 or 11 games a year on a continuing basis? Or even once.
AzWm FYI, this thread is "Which bowl are we slotted for?" Not "Can Rocky Long ever get us to 10 or 11 wins."
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