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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 12:49:30 GMT -8
Yeah, I get pissed at my fellow alumni I went to school with. Very few want to go to Aztec football games. They're all aboard the hoops bandwagon. I call my buddies front-runners and t-shirt fans all the time. hahahaha I live in Phoenix, and I try my best to attend at least one football game every year. I have to. I won't feel right without it. I'm an Aztec. What can I say? You're a good man, Mr. SDSUSTONER Thanks. I'm just a loyal fan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:53:25 GMT -8
This board would be boring if no one complained. Literally true. As an example, four years ago I lurked on one SJSU board and occasionally posted on the other for about six months. I don't know how things are now but the reason they had two boards then was because the moderators of the one I never posted on basically banned anybody who criticized Spartans sports. It was laughable. That was particularly so when at one point their AD (who is now at Memphis, I believe) announced he would have a weekly podcast on SJSU's official board. I just caught a slice of the first few shows and this is what happened. On the first couple shows, because SJSU football and hoops were both awful, several fans called in with comments and questions which were highly critical of the athletics department. It was then announced that henceforth, questions had to be submitted before commencement of the podcast. When the third show contained absolutely no critical comments or questions, folks on the unrestricted board went ballistic about the censorship. When a thread was started on the censored board making the same criticism it was shut down immediately with an apparent warning that anybody restarting such a thread faced banishment. Rumor had it the latter board was administered by a clique of folks instrumental in running SJSU's version of the Aztec Club who thought such criticism harmed the school, was classless, yadda, yadda. Either that or they all had a prescription for happy pills since the only possible way to have a board where nobody complains is if complaints are totally stifled and such boards are intolerable.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Nov 24, 2014 13:04:14 GMT -8
We can spend $5M /year and get Brady Hoke back...no wait...we can get a bargain in Muschamp...only $3M /year...hell...for only $8M / year (about what Nick Sabin makes) we can get them both... At an average ticket price of $20...it would only mean that we'd need 400K fans (or roughly an additional 65K fans each game) to break even on $8M...having Brady and Will on the sidelines will instantly get us an invite to a P5 conference...and then from there it's an easy jump to the national title game... I like this formula...while we're at it...should we plan to win the Myega Millions lottery as well...seems just as likely If we can't afford a truly good coach then we have no business playing in D1/FBS. You either make a commitment to compete at or near the highest level or you drop down to a level where you can compete with just about everyone already at that level. At the very least the administration should be committed to competing at the highest G5 level. We play in the MWC...and this IS the highest G5 level along with AAC, MAC and perhaps Conf-USA...and like it or not...the powers to be have already assigned any team not playing in a P5 conference sub-div I status...we are already in hell and NOTHING we do has the power to change our position at the moment...we can go 12-0 year after year...and until someone in a P5 conference decides that it wants to split it's pie with another mouth...then we're left with crumbs... The over-riding question that any conference will ask..."what will adding another team into our conference do for us?"...or in other words...how much money will we bring to the table versus how much will we take off the table for everyone else... If you want a sure fire way to get invited to a conference...agree to not getting any TV, gate, bowl or appearance money from the conference (which defeats the entire purpose of going to a P5 conference in the first place as there is no way to compete effectively in a P5 conference without the money). We can hire a big name coach...build and fill a new stadium...win all of our games...and go to bowl games... but those things combined will still NOT guarantee any admission into a P5 conference...regardless of what any of fans think to the contrary...our fate is simply not in our own hands
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Post by sdmotohead on Nov 24, 2014 13:08:03 GMT -8
I propose we create a "Whine like a sissy girl" section where all the crybabies can hang out. It's one thing to have constructive criticism, but another to flat out b**ch like a 2nd grader when we don't win or hell, even when we do win. That way I don't have to listen to all the Nancy's and Sally's (I'm betting half didn't even attend my beloved school!) unless I want to waste time and energy and visit those posts. Would this post, whining about whiners, qualify for the negative Nancy sub board or would it be more properly placed in the misogynist forum? It is obviously far more noble to equate femininity with weakness when attacking fellow sports fans for their voiced dissatisfaction about a sports match than it is to say things like "we are not progressing fast enough for my liking" or "we have failed to recruit proper depth and talent at several positions and it has bit us in the ass over the last few years." Amazing how one's words get twisted around. Let me guess, you tried to major in Rhetoric? Hell, I didn't even know State had that major.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 24, 2014 13:12:43 GMT -8
If we can't afford a truly good coach then we have no business playing in D1/FBS. You either make a commitment to compete at or near the highest level or you drop down to a level where you can compete with just about everyone already at that level. At the very least the administration should be committed to competing at the highest G5 level. Nobody ever drops from FBS to FCS. Not ever. Not even once. Teams just disban football. Is that what you are supporting? No, what I'm supporting is a greater/higher level of commitment from the administration to the success of the football program. I know that pretty much no school drops down to FCS from FBS. My point was that you can't win on the cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -8
I was half trolling. Look, regardless of where any fan falls on the spectrum of criticism we are all fans. We support and cheer for the same school. I am not angry with my fellow fans for being more or less satisfied than I am. Sports message boards are for talking sports. It is fun
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 24, 2014 13:45:17 GMT -8
If we can't afford a truly good coach then we have no business playing in D1/FBS. You either make a commitment to compete at or near the highest level or you drop down to a level where you can compete with just about everyone already at that level. At the very least the administration should be committed to competing at the highest G5 level. We play in the MWC...and this IS the highest G5 level along with AAC, MAC and perhaps Conf-USA...and like it or not...the powers to be have already assigned any team not playing in a P5 conference sub-div I status...we are already in hell and NOTHING we do has the power to change our position at the moment...we can go 12-0 year after year...and until someone in a P5 conference decides that it wants to split it's pie with another mouth...then we're left with crumbs... The over-riding question that any conference will ask..."what will adding another team into our conference do for us?"...or in other words...how much money will we bring to the table versus how much will we take off the table for everyone else... If you want a sure fire way to get invited to a conference...agree to not getting any TV, gate, bowl or appearance money from the conference (which defeats the entire purpose of going to a P5 conference in the first place as there is no way to compete effectively in a P5 conference without the money). We can hire a big name coach...build and fill a new stadium...win all of our games...and go to bowl games... but those things combined will still NOT guarantee any admission into a P5 conference...regardless of what any of fans think to the contrary...our fate is simply not in our own hands. We do not even have the same level of commitment from our administration as do several other football programs in our conference (which isn't exactly a great conference). You can't win consistently on the cheap. You certainly can't ascend to the top of the G5 on the cheap (well, maybe you can get there in a lucky year, but you can't stay there). Right now there are several G5 teams playing at a significantly higher level than we are, and a higher level than we have been playing at for the last five years.
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Post by azteca on Nov 24, 2014 14:34:49 GMT -8
As a long time Aztec fan(probably longer than at least some of you have been alive) I would like to ask the constant naysayers what they have contributed to try and help make the program a little better. I, for years, have contributed to the Aztec Club, trying to do what little I can to help support the athletes, both women and men, since the State of CA does not fund athletic scholarships. I also have never been in an an athletic administration meeting to know what transpires, as I'm sure none of you has(although many of you seem to feel you no the inside workings even though you really don't know sh%% about buttermilk).
I would like to know how many of you contribute your fair share to help make things a little better. I'm sure most of you will say why give money because it's not doing any good. If you don't help you are part of the problem not working on a solution to make it better. And just in case you don't understand, other states support athletics with $$, Ca doesn't. Many of the Aztecs biggest donors are not alums. That should be embarrassing to those who are alums but do little or squat..
So, how many of you naysayers contribute your fair share or just piss and moan?
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 24, 2014 15:30:51 GMT -8
Nobody ever drops from FBS to FCS. Not ever. Not even once. Teams just disban football. Is that what you are supporting? No, what I'm supporting is a greater/higher level of commitment from the administration to the success of the football program. I know that pretty much no school drops down to FCS from FBS. My point was that you can't win on the cheap. That's because, the last time I checked, not a single FCS team makes money.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 24, 2014 15:56:20 GMT -8
As a long time Aztec fan(probably longer than at least some of you have been alive) I would like to ask the constant naysayers what they have contributed to try and help make the program a little better. I, for years, have contributed to the Aztec Club, trying to do what little I can to help support the athletes, both women and men, since the State of CA does not fund athletic scholarships. I also have never been in an an athletic administration meeting to know what transpires, as I'm sure none of you has(although many of you seem to feel you no the inside workings even though you really don't know sh%% about buttermilk). I would like to know how many of you contribute your fair share to help make things a little better. I'm sure most of you will say why give money because it's not doing any good. If you don't help you are part of the problem not working on a solution to make it better. And just in case you don't understand, other states support athletics with $$, Ca doesn't. Many of the Aztecs biggest donors are not alums. That should be embarrassing to those who are alums but do little or squat.. So, how many of you naysayers contribute your fair share or just piss and moan? I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but that almost sounds like you're saying that if someone can't afford to make an annual donation that they either shouldn't or don't have the right to complain about the state of the football program. Believe me, a lot of us would love to contribute more than just what we spend on season tickets, but we don't have the financial ability to do so.
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Post by junior on Nov 24, 2014 16:45:28 GMT -8
So, how many of you naysayers contribute your fair share or just piss and moan? Define a "Fair Share"… Is it 1% of your yearly before-tax income? 2%? 5%? What is a "Fair Share" to you? Serious question.
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Post by azteca on Nov 24, 2014 17:19:43 GMT -8
Erik and Junior, I don't put a percentage on the donation. I started some years ago at about $300 per year. I have gradually increased to $1200 a year and have it taken out of my checking account monthly. Trust me , I'd love to do more but I feel I'm helping out the student athletes, both men and women.
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 24, 2014 23:32:27 GMT -8
I help by buying season tickets
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 24, 2014 23:33:04 GMT -8
Football
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Post by sdsuballer on Nov 24, 2014 23:35:07 GMT -8
Great job SDSU basketball.. Very good win.. ? Here is my positive post for those that say we are negative...
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Post by aztecron on Nov 25, 2014 11:28:33 GMT -8
I'm just curious and not trying to stir anything up with this, but, why do you not consider the the share of a conference title a conference title when the league and every other official standing does? I don't understand the point when SDSU playing by the league rules as decided by the conference itself did what they needed to do to grab a conference title. In your scenario does that mean nobody won the conference title in 2012? Again, many others have said the above, I'm not trying to point anything at you directly, you just happen to be the poster that I finally decided to ask the question of. And I'm not arguing your point per se, I truly want to get an understanding of why it is someone would think we weren't a conference champion when the league were in says we are for 2012. My view is.....I don't think you can say you won the conference championship when you shared the conference championship. It was basically a tie. Do people call ties a win? I don't. I am not saying it isn't an achievement, because it is. But it's a "shared" conference championship to me. I appreciate the reply, thanks.
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Post by aztecron on Nov 25, 2014 11:32:30 GMT -8
Great point. We won't get the likes of the CSU coach or even FSU coach until we decide to make the commitment to spend that amount of money in the football program. Until then its a crapshoot. We can spend $5M /year and get Brady Hoke back...no wait...we can get a bargain in Muschamp...only $3M /year...hell...for only $8M / year (about what Nick Sabin makes) we can get them both... At an average ticket price of $20...it would only mean that we'd need 400K fans (or roughly an additional 65K fans each game) to break even on $8M...having Brady and Will on the sidelines will instantly get us an invite to a P5 conference...and then from there it's an easy jump to the national title game... I like this formula...while we're at it...should we plan to win the Mega Millions lottery as well...seems just as likely Not quite sure what it is you're implying in regards to my post other than it means we don't have the commitment to spend equal money in comparison to our conference foes. My point in all of this discussion is until we have the money to compete at that level we shouldn't be thinking of letting Rocky go. He is bringing in a very nice ROI for his salary. And, it doesn't take 400k more fans to up our HC salary to conference foes level. It's only $500k - $700k more a year, one football program is doing that and it has the same restraints on it as we do since FSU is a California State University, just like us.
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