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Post by adammclane on Nov 23, 2014 8:41:08 GMT -8
Can I just say I'm sick of the complaining? - An Aztec fan heckled Winston Shepherd during game 1 of the regular season. "You're terrible. Get off the court." I turned around and reminded this fan that he's also ranked as a top 100 college basketball player and maybe he should cheer for his team and not against his own team.
- There is a general gripe on this forum that Rocky Long should be fired. Yes, the winningest coach in our conference, a coach who has yet to have a year without a bowl appearance, who lead our team to a conference championship last season, and is the 3rd winningest coaching in school history should be fired? Geniuses.
- On Saturday, a yahoo behind me spent half the game telling his buddy that our basketball team had "no chance" of making it to the NCAA tournament. Based on the shooting percentage against Bakersfield? So the most talented team we've ever fielded in the history of the program is "terrible" because their defense is nearly perfect while their offense hasn't yet come together? Maybe... just maybe... it's too early to tell. And maybe... just maybe... he doesn't know what he's talking about.
- The same fan went on and on about how this Aztec football team is "terrible" and the worst he'd seen in years. He's had season football tickets for 25 years and this is one of the worst. He did not like when I turned around and reminded him that he didn't attend a single home football game in the 2008 season, when we really were terrible, no fight whatsoever. And in 2009, as Brady Hoke was bringing the Aztecs back to life, he wasn't there until the end of the season... wearing USC gear. That season the field level on the home side often had 200-300 fans in the second half, we know who was and wasn't there because we high-fived each other. He wasn't even there. So how would he know?
- I don't know (or care) what has happened in the past or how many years you've been a season ticket holder. But any time the game is close all I hear at games from our fans is "Oh no, here we go again." I've seen fans leave games when it gets close because they care more about their freaking parking spot than they do about making noise and helping their team win. I've seen fans sit down and refuse to cheer because "they can't watch this again." Dude, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. We stop them on a key 4th down in the 4th quarter, you turn around to high five someone... and people aren't even cheering! You've got to be kidding me...
How about cheering for your team instead of complaining about them?How about understanding the freaking context? Our football and basketball teams spent DECADES as laughingstocks. And now? Basketball is in the top 20 teams EVERY SEASON and football, while not 10-2, is competitive and fun to watch. We have tons to celebrate and get excited about. Today's players need today's fans to be on their side. When the big play comes late in the game they need to turn around and see fans making noise, on their feet, excited... not a bunch of people sitting on their hands or heading for the exits. (Literally, I don't even know why these folks come to games at all. Go get drunk somewhere else.) But this [all San Diego sports] thing that we only get excited if a team is white hot and bitch and moan is teams are anything but perfect... it's time we shut that down and allow a new history of SDSU emerge. I wrote this in 2012... Simply put: The SDSU I often read about here on the forums, marked by a "whoa is me/sky is falling" and small school chip, is just not the SDSU I experience when I walk around campus. My challenge to fans and alumni who have been around for a while? Open your minds and hearts to SDSUs new identity. State isn't perfect. No school is. But it is also a great place. We have a lot to be proud of. My hope is that we'll start reflecting that as well. And you know what? Things are even better in 2014!It's time we expect our fans to be fans, to cheer for the home team, and to couch our complaints... making a choice to get behind teams and players... and stop questioning every coaches decision or damning 18 year olds for being 18 year olds ad nauseam. It's flat out embarrassing to bring brand new Aztec fans to their very first games, super excited and ready to jump on board, and have them listen to a bunch of Negative Nancy's. I'm tired of apologizing for our fans... I'll post here what I tell them, "SDSU needs new fans, get on the bandwagon, and ignore these bozos."
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Post by adammclane on Nov 23, 2014 8:42:45 GMT -8
[and yes, i'm fully aware of the hypocrisy of complaining about whiny fans.]  |
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Post by fisherville on Nov 23, 2014 8:47:41 GMT -8
I must have missed SDSU's football mwc title, did it happen in your dreams? Rocky will never do that
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Post by aztec92 on Nov 23, 2014 8:58:40 GMT -8
I must have missed SDSU's football mwc title, did it happen in your dreams? Rocky will never do that I guess you were in a coma. Are you still? |
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Post by SDAztec on Nov 23, 2014 9:00:15 GMT -8
The team's attitude has turned an 180 since Chuck, but many of the Fans are still have the negative mentality, and some people will always be just flat out miserable. Hell one guy bitched out the Warrior and called for security because our mascot was giving some kids a high five and he couldn't see during a Timeout.
This mentality is what Rocky discussed in one of his press conferences about the perception of the fans & media taking 10 years to build. It will take 2 maybe 3 outright Championships and a couple of Big wins in OOC and the Aztec Bandwagon will be overflowing.
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Post by uncledougy on Nov 23, 2014 9:01:42 GMT -8
I must have missed SDSU's football mwc title, did it happen in your dreams? Rocky will never do that It happened. It was a "share" of the Conference title. I personally don't consider it a conference title, but the record books do. Why do people get so bent out of shape when negative things are said about the Aztecs? It's not like the negativity is made up. There is a basis for it. This board has been negative since it started. I don't see it changing even if the Aztecs went 12-0 and won the Rose Bowl, some folks get their kicks on being negative, sad but true. |
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Post by moctezumaii on Nov 23, 2014 9:13:24 GMT -8
Whatevs. San Diego State is located in San Diego County. All San Diegans know is the bitter, acrid taste of defeat, of hopes dashed, of defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. Decades of defeat, served up a thousand different ways, has conditioned a response. Learned helplessness. It's not like San Diego State has ever scored one of those improbable, big-time upsets like EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN AMERICA has at least one of. Well, maybe Kansas last year; we weren't exactly a no-name going in there. And definitely not the Gonzaga game, though it was a very nice win. Or any time we scored moral victories in football against Michigan. Ohio State. Notre Dame. Miami. Anyone. Pffft.
If you're like me and your high school knew decades of defeat as well, to go with Chargers, Padres and Aztecs, you'd have a hard time believing anything good ever happens in sports.
Sports = Pain.
Complaining is not the problem. When it gets to the point no one even cares enough to complain, then you have a big problem.
Now, if we were living in Boston, title town . . .
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Post by retiredaztec on Nov 23, 2014 9:15:11 GMT -8
I must have missed SDSU's football mwc title, did it happen in your dreams? Rocky will never do that It happened. It was a "share" of the Conference title. I personally don't consider it a conference title, but the record books do. Why do people get so bent out of shape when negative things are said about the Aztecs? It's not like the negativity is made up. There is a basis for it. This board has been negative since it started. I don't see it changing even if the Aztecs went 12-0 and won the Rose Bowl, some folks get their kicks on being negative, sad but true. I'm pretty sure a board where we all hold hands and sing kumbaya is not nearly as much fun. But the fact is, this program defines under achievement. I look to the north of me in Logan and see a program that was a punch line not too long ago and is now so far and beyond this program. As I've said before, I couldn't care less if theRock stays or goes. But the program is what it is under his leadership. Friday night I bet with my heart and won. That's all that freaking matters. And the fact is, you can't blame theRock. His resume spoke for itself. To expect anything more would have been delusional. |
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Post by brady on Nov 23, 2014 9:18:42 GMT -8
Rocky Long benefits from low/zero expectations. Six wins and a Tuesday bowl game early in December? Give that man a raise!
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Post by texasaztec on Nov 23, 2014 9:26:45 GMT -8
Amen to the OP! I too am sick and tired of the whiny fans and the negative nancies. These are exciting times for Aztec Football and Basketball and it is exciting to go to games where we win the majority of our games...go to bowls and the NCAA tourneys year after year! Both these teams are fun to watch. Who doesn't get excited about Pumphrey every time he touches the ball? It has alot of the same feel for me as when Faulk got the ball...you just were waiting for him to slip a tackle and take it to the house. What a player!
Of course it could be better. No Duh! That's what Rocky and Fish are striving to accomplish. But it is pretty awesome right now and I'm happy to have my Aztecs be this good across the board.
Go Aztecs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 9:33:46 GMT -8
While the Aztec football team is better then it was in 2008, and the overall talent is much improved, I don't think Rock is going to get this team over the hump and into the top 25. First it was the kickers that he did not recruit and it cost us games, now it is the quarterbacks and very poor play calling by the OC. The momentum this team has had is starting to fade and hopefully it does not affect recruiting. Maybe the play calling is what it is because of the QB, who knows, but the Aztecs should have scored more points then they did on Saturday. How many times have the Aztecs had the ball inside the ten yard line on first or second down and Toledo takes Pumphrey [#4 RB in the nation] out of the game and either passes the ball or gives it to Price? Price is an ok back, but not anywhere near Pumphrey. Wasting one or two downs on throws when Pumphrey is so deadly is just plain stupid and it has cost us a few games. Having QK throw the ball deep is just plain stupid. We should be jamming the ball down the opponents throats with our big O-Line and utilizing end arounds and shorter pass plays.
As for heckling Shepard, that is not good. First of all, he is still a kid and he is trying as hard as he can, so he makes bone headed plays once in awhile, we all do and have. The Aztecs are lucky to have the 5 star Shepard on our team, had he not come to SDSU, the Aztec's would have lost a lot of recruiting momentum from the Kawhi Leonard era.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2014 9:43:13 GMT -8
There is no reason to be negative about the basketball program whatsoever, even after mediocre offensive performances. Coach Fisher won a National Championship, and got his team to two more Championship games. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.
However, Rocky Long has not earned any benefit of any doubt. He took over an 8-4 team that dominated its Bowl game. The team has not been elevated to the next level, and has actually slipped somewhat over the last two seasons. There is valid reason to be critical. Some people may view such criticism as negativity, but others look at that criticism as honesty. You can't fix a problem until you admit that there is a problem.
And I guarantee you that the administration at SDSU would be willing to continue as is with the football program if the fans were fine with this level of play. If this program were in the black there would be very little motivation within the administration to do much to elevate the program.
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Post by texasaztec on Nov 23, 2014 9:48:16 GMT -8
Yawn. Every post you make, on every subject...
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Post by OnionHead on Nov 23, 2014 9:54:35 GMT -8
There is no reason to be negative about the basketball program whatsoever, even after mediocre offensive performances. Coach Fisher won a National Championship, and got his team to two more Championship games. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. However, Rocky Long has not earned any benefit of any doubt. He took over an 8-4 team that dominated its Bowl game. The team has not been elevated to the next level, and has actually slipped somewhat over the last two seasons. There is valid reason to be critical. Some people may view such criticism as negativity, but others look at that criticism as honesty. You can't fix a problem until you admit that there is a problem. And I guarantee you that the administration at SDSU would be willing to continue as is with the football program if the fans were fine with this level of play. If this program were in the black there would be very little motivation within the administration to do much to elevate the program. So tired. |
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Post by hbaztec on Nov 23, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -8
There is no reason to be negative about the basketball program whatsoever, even after mediocre offensive performances. Coach Fisher won a National Championship, and got his team to two more Championship games. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. However, Rocky Long has not earned any benefit of any doubt. He took over an 8-4 team that dominated its Bowl game. The team has not been elevated to the next level, and has actually slipped somewhat over the last two seasons. There is valid reason to be critical. Some people may view such criticism as negativity, but others look at that criticism as honesty. You can't fix a problem until you admit that there is a problem. And I guarantee you that the administration at SDSU would be willing to continue as is with the football program if the fans were fine with this level of play. If this program were in the black there would be very little motivation within the administration to do much to elevate the program. So tired. So, so tired. |
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Nov 23, 2014 10:38:19 GMT -8
Message board fans resemble the real world. Some people are not happy unless they are bitching about something, others are pragmatic about things and see things as they are, and others are optimistic about the future. The Negative Nancie's of the world don't stop complaining, they just move from one topic to the next. In reality the other two groups tend to be a silent majority and all we hear is the complaining or negativity.
Having been an Aztec fan since the 80's, I appreciate where our teams are today, as we were dreadful for 2 decades. I want to see our teams continue to improve and get better. However, going to bowl games and the NCAA tourney are great experiences for players and fans and we should embrace it and not complain about it. We have areas for overall improvement like marketing, facilities upgrades, stipends for athletes etc, which we all should be behind. Individual programs have areas of improvement as well, like recruiting and coaching salaries. We are not perfect and shouldn't be complacent about we are as a athletic program, but please understand we are trending the right direction.
The silent majority has spoken!
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 23, 2014 10:44:02 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. But I think some of them would rather not be witness to this as they'd be be proven wrong. Creating a top football program, one with sustained success, is a process, a fairly long one. Nancies will never admit that. Sure, there's a handful of exceptions (quick football program builders), but they are rare.
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 23, 2014 11:28:58 GMT -8
complaining about the basketball team is just stupid. Being concerned about the football is legitimate. I still support the team by buying season tickets, and I am a lifelong fan, but I still can be concerned about the long term prospects of the football team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:29:55 GMT -8
Some good points. But don't try to convince the antis of anything, it can't be done. They are at the point of just wanting to be right.
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Post by mySTRAS on Nov 23, 2014 11:46:39 GMT -8
Perhaps we can call a truce? The 'antis' can stop complaining and the 'pros' can stop claiming "Wait until next year...".
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Simply put: The SDSU I often read about here on the forums, marked by a "whoa is me/sky is falling" and small school chip, is just not the SDSU I experience when I walk around campus. 
