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Post by myownwords on Nov 23, 2014 18:41:33 GMT -8
Nay, self-appointment and dictating to others is not my style. It does seem to be your chosen avocation however. I am doing nothing here that you aren't. Or I am doing the same here as you. Whichever you like better. I was just pointing something out - as you do rather consistantly. Okay, let's say we're both guilty...of something.
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Post by matteosandiego on Nov 23, 2014 18:56:51 GMT -8
I agree 100% with the OP.
But honestly EVERY schools thread is the same thing.
Fans are fans and that means fanatical.
Even Alabama is probably worse than our board.
I just hope our fans will show up at the games and be more passionate.
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Post by douchey1 on Nov 23, 2014 19:00:02 GMT -8
Unicorns and rainbows
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 23, 2014 19:08:36 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. But I think some of them would rather not be witness to this as they'd be be proven wrong. Creating a top football program, one with sustained success, is a process, a fairly long one. Nancies will never admit that. Sure, there's a handful of exceptions (quick football program builders), but they are rare. No he won't. He has been our head coach for FOUR years and he still has not done it. The Colorado State coach just took two years and his team is currently 10-1, beaten REAL competition, and might make a New Year's Day Bowl. He took over a program that was a mess. Rocky took over a program that was on the rise and yet four years later we are no better off. How many more years does Rocky need? 5 more years? 10 more years? You can give him as much time as you like but he will not be 10-1, beat REAL competition from the Big 5 conferences, and be eligible for a New Year's Day Bowl. Rocky is what he is. A coach that can beat the dregs of Division 1A football and the cotton balls from Division 1AA, but not any REAL football programs. He will always hover between 8-4 and 6-6 and be eligible for a bottom feeder bowl. He will be at this record because we no longer have to play the TCUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world. No more...no less. I get it that you Polyannas are OK with this because you have such low expectations. Polyannas like to avoid reality, stick their heads in the sand, and just keep pretending that everything is great and everything is on the rise. When someone who is OBVJECTIVE points out that the facts are different than what is perceived by the Polyannas, they get labeled as "negative". What Polyannas, who don't have an objective bone in their body, don't seem to understand is that they are the problem and not those who are "negative". As Erik has already pointed out as long as the administration sees that there are people who are OK with mediocrity there is no reason whatsoever for them to do what it takes to improve the program to where it could be. Some of you are OK with mediocrity whether you will admit it or not. That is fine. However, don't criticize us who are not OK with mediocrity but want this team to excel to the level we believe they can. All that is needed is a commitment from our administration that does not exist currently and won't exist as long as they see there are people who are OK with mediocrity. You just epitomized the stereotype I was attempting to paint you guys with. Thanks for the reinforcement. "FOUR years!" And in ALL-CAPS no less. Is Colorado state sustained success? We'll see....but that ain't the case yet. And I think you're misunderstanding the term "objective".
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Post by pal on Nov 23, 2014 19:23:29 GMT -8
Right on Adam. These are the good old days (never better), yet you'd never know it from the miasma of negativity that blankets this board. It's garbage, and good reason to neither read nor participate. The fingers pointed at the Show are patently rediculous. Take a cue from the Show diehards and support your school thick or thin. Or do your Nancy thing, I'm going to savor the highest level of success Aztecs athletics has enjoyed. The last sentence pretty much pinpoints my thoughts also. These sporting events are just games - nothing more or less. They are a really fun outlet for me win or lose. All opinions are valid to the person holding them; yet in my mind - life is just too short to not enjoy yourself. I'm happy for those who are having fun while watching Aztec sporting events ... it's an experience to be shared! And that's why I'm here, because I can't get enough. Although I find the discussion much more to my liking elsewhere these days. If this board isn't more negative and anxiety ridden than it has been in a few years, I must be growing tired of it.
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Post by mySTRAS on Nov 23, 2014 19:36:13 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. So... it's the fans that are holding Rocky back?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2014 20:42:37 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. So... it's the fans that are holding Rocky back? Yes, it's our fault that the team has struggled to beat weaker opponents and won fewer games in the regular season the last two years than we did in Rocky's first two years in charge. This isn't a one year slide, it's a continuation of a slide that started last year. That's the part that disturbs me. We are definitely better off than we were under Craft and Chuck Long, but something is still wrong with this program and it needs to be fixed.
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Post by missiontrails on Nov 23, 2014 21:11:52 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. So... it's the fans that are holding Rocky back? If fans whine enough, changes get made. See Michigan circa Rich Rodriguez, as well as (soon to be) Brady Hoke. Not making a judgement whether Wolverine fans are right or wrong, just showing you what I meant by my statement.
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Post by sdsudevil on Nov 23, 2014 21:23:04 GMT -8
So... it's the fans that are holding Rocky back? If fans whine enough, changes get made. I think it was wallets that got changes made
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 6:16:10 GMT -8
I must have missed SDSU's football mwc title, did it happen in your dreams? Rocky will never do that It happened when you were too busy crying fire Rocky.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 6:17:19 GMT -8
Whatevs. San Diego State is located in San Diego County. All San Diegans know is the bitter, acrid taste of defeat, of hopes dashed, of defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. Decades of defeat, served up a thousand different ways, has conditioned a response. Learned helplessness. It's not like San Diego State has ever scored one of those improbable, big-time upsets like EVERY OTHER SCHOOL IN AMERICA has at least one of. Well, maybe Kansas last year; we weren't exactly a no-name going in there. And definitely not the Gonzaga game, though it was a very nice win. Or any time we scored moral victories in football against Michigan. Ohio State. Notre Dame. Miami. Anyone. Pffft. If you're like me and your high school knew decades of defeat as well, to go with Chargers, Padres and Aztecs, you'd have a hard time believing anything good ever happens in sports. Sports = Pain. Complaining is not the problem. When it gets to the point no one even cares enough to complain, then you have a big problem. Now, if we were living in Boston, title town . . . At least you don't live in Cleveland
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 6:22:10 GMT -8
Do all the "we should hire a young, rising OC type" folks realize Chuck Long was one of those?
Also do they realize statistically speaking we are by far much more likely to wind up with a Chuck Long than an Urban Meyer? We can point at statistical anomalies like CSU all you want. For every CSU, there are several more SDSU's under Chuck Long.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 24, 2014 7:02:13 GMT -8
Do all the "we should hire a young, rising OC type" folks realize Chuck Long was one of those? Also do they realize statistically speaking we are by far much more likely to wind up with a Chuck Long than an Urban Meyer? We can point at statistical anomalies like CSU all you want. For every CSU, there are several more SDSU's under Chuck Long. Why would you throw up Chuck Long? Or do you assume that our current administration is as vacuous, as our prior sloths, that hired him? If you feel that we've learned something about hiring, through the Brady Hoke exercise, then your fears should at least be assuaged, preventing you from fretting over the Chuck Long infestation. I would not trust this administration to hire anyone---except a "search" team. Hopefully (but I doubt it) they've already reached out to a consultant to make some third party inquiries.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 7:06:46 GMT -8
Do all the "we should hire a young, rising OC type" folks realize Chuck Long was one of those? Also do they realize statistically speaking we are by far much more likely to wind up with a Chuck Long than an Urban Meyer? We can point at statistical anomalies like CSU all you want. For every CSU, there are several more SDSU's under Chuck Long. Why would you throw up Chuck Long? Or do you assume that our current administration is as vacuous, as our prior sloths, that hired him? If you feel that we've learned something about hiring, through the Brady Hoke exercise, then your fears should at least be assuaged, preventing you from fretting over the Chuck Long infestation. I would not trust this administration to hire anyone---except a "search" team. Hopefully (but I doubt it) they've already reached out to a consultant to make some third party inquiries. I don't trust them. Also, right now we have no need for a new HC.
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Post by haroldskilley on Nov 24, 2014 7:14:30 GMT -8
I think some fans are frustrated with Rocky. The MWC sucks now, and yet Ricky doesn't get us at the top of the conference. We should be the most talented team, year in and year out.
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Post by haroldskilley on Nov 24, 2014 7:16:15 GMT -8
…and football, while not 10-2, is competitive and fun to watch. You must be thinking about a different football team. Watching this one is simply BRUTAL. Even when they win. This.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 7:31:31 GMT -8
I think some fans are frustrated with Rocky. The MWC sucks now, and yet Ricky doesn't get us at the top of the conference. We should be the most talented team, year in and year out. We've had a below average QB playing hurt for us all year. Despite that we still have a shot at a conference title...our second in three years. We were basically a lousy kicker away from playing for the MWC last season. All the other parts were in place and with young players to make a decent run this year, except the QB position which will have more depth and talent next season especially at the starting position.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 24, 2014 7:39:45 GMT -8
Did everyone see the attendance at the game? The announced attendance was 28,000 and that would have made Pravda proud. The actually number had to be around 15,000. This coach has lost the fans. Unless he pulls off a miracle next year, he'll likely do another New Mexico and quit.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 24, 2014 8:14:08 GMT -8
Did everyone see the attendance at the game? The announced attendance was 28,000 and that would have made Pravda proud. The actually number had to be around 15,000. This coach has lost the fans. Unless he pulls off a miracle next year, he'll likely do another New Mexico and quit. Lost the fans? We had football fans to lose?
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Post by myownwords on Nov 24, 2014 8:26:41 GMT -8
Did everyone see the attendance at the game? The announced attendance was 28,000 and that would have made Pravda proud. The actually number had to be around 15,000. This coach has lost the fans. Unless he pulls off a miracle next year, he'll likely do another New Mexico and quit. Lost the fans? We had football fans to lose? Point taken. Sad, huh?
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