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Post by RB Aztec on Nov 23, 2014 12:07:52 GMT -8
There is no reason to be negative about the basketball program whatsoever, even after mediocre offensive performances. Coach Fisher won a National Championship, and got his team to two more Championship games. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. However, Rocky Long has not earned any benefit of any doubt. He took over an 8-4 team that dominated its Bowl game. The team has not been elevated to the next level, and has actually slipped somewhat over the last two seasons. There is valid reason to be critical. Some people may view such criticism as negativity, but others look at that criticism as honesty. You can't fix a problem until you admit that there is a problem. And I guarantee you that the administration at SDSU would be willing to continue as is with the football program if the fans were fine with this level of play. If this program were in the black there would be very little motivation within the administration to do much to elevate the program. I am in your camp. Fish has made us a major national power. He has definitely taken us up to the top levels of NCAA hoops. Though Rocky has a good record, the MWC is very week competition. I don't think we will ever get the next level in football (regardless of the coach) unless we can get to one of the big conferences. Rocky has slipped this year. I was hoping he would elevate us to the level where we are desirable to one of the big conferences.
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Post by sdsudevil on Nov 23, 2014 12:11:48 GMT -8
complaining about the basketball team is just stupid. Being concerned about the football is legitimate. I still support the team by buying season tickets, and I am a lifelong fan, but I still can be concerned about the long term prospects of the football team. This doesn't make sense. There should be just as much concern for any sport that we can see obvious holes. We give BB more leeway because of national respect that it has garnered, but we see for the last couple years that our offensive proficiency is slipping. That is a concern. Why is this not as important as a football concern? Contextually, especially judging how much emphasis some put basketball as our athletic identity, should this not be a larger concern? That said, if all one does is complain, and when something good happens, they play it off as an accident, yes that will get annoying.
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Post by azteca on Nov 23, 2014 12:26:08 GMT -8
+1000, Adam!
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 23, 2014 12:32:51 GMT -8
There is no reason to be negative about the basketball program whatsoever, even after mediocre offensive performances. Coach Fisher won a National Championship, and got his team to two more Championship games. He's earned the benefit of the doubt. However, Rocky Long has not earned any benefit of any doubt. He took over an 8-4 team that dominated its Bowl game. The team has not been elevated to the next level, and has actually slipped somewhat over the last two seasons. There is valid reason to be critical. Some people may view such criticism as negativity, but others look at that criticism as honesty. You can't fix a problem until you admit that there is a problem. And I guarantee you that the administration at SDSU would be willing to continue as is with the football program if the fans were fine with this level of play. If this program were in the black there would be very little motivation within the administration to do much to elevate the program. It may never be elevated "to the next level." We are still in the same general position with Fresno State as we were in 1962. Enjoy your whining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:56:00 GMT -8
Why do people get so bent out of shape when negative things are said about the Aztecs? It's not like the negativity is made up. There is a basis for it. This board has been negative since it started. I don't see it changing even if the Aztecs went 12-0 and won the Rose Bowl, some folks get their kicks on being negative, sad but true. Some like you and I strive for objectivity. Some others almost never say anything positive while still others literally not only never say anything negative, they get angry when others do. Why the latter folks can't just ignore Erik is inexplicable. The guy doesn't really bother me because knowing his constant mantra, I don't really bother reading anything he says. How difficult would that be for others? As to myownwords, he doesn't similarly have diarhhea of the keyboard so reading his stuff takes all of 3-5 seconds and I for one always strive to increase my vocabulary so enjoy his stuff in that regard. Other alleged Negative Nellies post so seldom that I can't even recall off the top of my head who they allegedly are. That said, I understand we all have our proclivities so would remind those who can't tolerate the Negative Nellies that at least to my knowledge, none of them post to .
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Post by junior on Nov 23, 2014 13:34:53 GMT -8
…and football, while not 10-2, is competitive and fun to watch. You must be thinking about a different football team. Watching this one is simply BRUTAL. Even when they win.
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Post by pal on Nov 23, 2014 13:50:02 GMT -8
Right on Adam. These are the good old days (never better), yet you'd never know it from the miasma of negativity that blankets this board. It's garbage, and good reason to neither read nor participate. The fingers pointed at the Show are patently rediculous. Take a cue from the Show diehards and support your school thick or thin. Or do your Nancy thing, I'm going to savor the highest level of success Aztecs athletics has enjoyed.
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Post by kaztec on Nov 23, 2014 14:24:51 GMT -8
…and football, while not 10-2, is competitive and fun to watch. You must be thinking about a different football team. Watching this one is simply BRUTAL. Even when they win. Why then, do you watch?
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Post by fatfreddy on Nov 23, 2014 14:29:48 GMT -8
Well written!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2014 14:57:32 GMT -8
You must be thinking about a different football team. Watching this one is simply BRUTAL. Even when they win. Why then, do you watch? I know I watch because I have spent literally ALL MY LIFE watching Aztec football, going back to the Don Coryell days. I've seen this program do better than we've seen over the last 4 years, much better, so I complain about the current state of the program because I know we can do better. It was done before, and it can be done again. As far as the basketball program goes, Coach Fisher has done a near perfect job. I don't think anyone could have done better.
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Post by frustratedfan on Nov 23, 2014 15:06:15 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. But I think some of them would rather not be witness to this as they'd be be proven wrong. Creating a top football program, one with sustained success, is a process, a fairly long one. Nancies will never admit that. Sure, there's a handful of exceptions (quick football program builders), but they are rare. No he won't. He has been our head coach for FOUR years and he still has not done it. The Colorado State coach just took two years and his team is currently 10-1, beaten REAL competition, and might make a New Year's Day Bowl. He took over a program that was a mess. Rocky took over a program that was on the rise and yet four years later we are no better off. How many more years does Rocky need? 5 more years? 10 more years? You can give him as much time as you like but he will not be 10-1, beat REAL competition from the Big 5 conferences, and be eligible for a New Year's Day Bowl. Rocky is what he is. A coach that can beat the dregs of Division 1A football and the cotton balls from Division 1AA, but not any REAL football programs. He will always hover between 8-4 and 6-6 and be eligible for a bottom feeder bowl. He will be at this record because we no longer have to play the TCUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world. No more...no less. I get it that you Polyannas are OK with this because you have such low expectations. Polyannas like to avoid reality, stick their heads in the sand, and just keep pretending that everything is great and everything is on the rise. When someone who is OBVJECTIVE points out that the facts are different than what is perceived by the Polyannas, they get labeled as "negative". What Polyannas, who don't have an objective bone in their body, don't seem to understand is that they are the problem and not those who are "negative". As Erik has already pointed out as long as the administration sees that there are people who are OK with mediocrity there is no reason whatsoever for them to do what it takes to improve the program to where it could be. Some of you are OK with mediocrity whether you will admit it or not. That is fine. However, don't criticize us who are not OK with mediocrity but want this team to excel to the level we believe they can. All that is needed is a commitment from our administration that does not exist currently and won't exist as long as they see there are people who are OK with mediocrity.
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Post by moctezumaii on Nov 23, 2014 15:20:46 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. But I think some of them would rather not be witness to this as they'd be be proven wrong. Creating a top football program, one with sustained success, is a process, a fairly long one. Nancies will never admit that. Sure, there's a handful of exceptions (quick football program builders), but they are rare. No he won't. He has been our head coach for FOUR years and he still has not done it. The Colorado State coach just took two years and his team is currently 10-1, beaten REAL competition, and might make a New Year's Day Bowl. He took over a program that was a mess. Rocky took over a program that was on the rise and yet four years later we are no better off. How many more years does Rocky need? 5 more years? 10 more years? You can give him as much time as you like but he will not be 10-1, beat REAL competition from the Big 5 conferences, and be eligible for a New Year's Day Bowl. Rocky is what he is. A coach that can beat the dregs of Division 1A football and the cotton balls from Division 1AA, but not any REAL football programs. He will always hover between 8-4 and 6-6 and be eligible for a bottom feeder bowl. He will be at this record because we no longer have to play the TCUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world. No more...no less. I get it that you Polyannas are OK with this because you have such low expectations. Polyannas like to avoid reality, stick their heads in the sand, and just keep pretending that everything is great and everything is on the rise. When someone who is OBVJECTIVE points out that the facts are different than what is perceived by the Polyannas, they get labeled as "negative". What Polyannas, who don't have an objective bone in their body, don't seem to understand is that they are the problem and not those who are "negative". As Erik has already pointed out as long as the administration sees that there are people who are OK with mediocrity there is no reason whatsoever for them to do what it takes to improve the program to where it could be. Some of you are OK with mediocrity whether you will admit it or not. That is fine. However, don't criticize us who are not OK with mediocrity but want this team to excel to the level we believe they can. All that is needed is a commitment from our administration that does not exist currently and won't exist as long as they see there are people who are OK with mediocrity. This.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:08:32 GMT -8
Rocky will prevail......if the Nancies let him. But I think some of them would rather not be witness to this as they'd be be proven wrong. Creating a top football program, one with sustained success, is a process, a fairly long one. Nancies will never admit that. Sure, there's a handful of exceptions (quick football program builders), but they are rare. No he won't. He has been our head coach for FOUR years and he still has not done it. The Colorado State coach just took two years and his team is currently 10-1, beaten REAL competition, and might make a New Year's Day Bowl. He took over a program that was a mess. Rocky took over a program that was on the rise and yet four years later we are no better off. How many more years does Rocky need? 5 more years? 10 more years? You can give him as much time as you like but he will not be 10-1, beat REAL competition from the Big 5 conferences, and be eligible for a New Year's Day Bowl. Rocky is what he is. A coach that can beat the dregs of Division 1A football and the cotton balls from Division 1AA, but not any REAL football programs. He will always hover between 8-4 and 6-6 and be eligible for a bottom feeder bowl. He will be at this record because we no longer have to play the TCUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world. No more...no less. I get it that you Polyannas are OK with this because you have such low expectations. Polyannas like to avoid reality, stick their heads in the sand, and just keep pretending that everything is great and everything is on the rise. When someone who is OBVJECTIVE points out that the facts are different than what is perceived by the Polyannas, they get labeled as "negative". What Polyannas, who don't have an objective bone in their body, don't seem to understand is that they are the problem and not those who are "negative". As Erik has already pointed out as long as the administration sees that there are people who are OK with mediocrity there is no reason whatsoever for them to do what it takes to improve the program to where it could be. Some of you are OK with mediocrity whether you will admit it or not. That is fine. However, don't criticize us who are not OK with mediocrity but want this team to excel to the level we believe they can. All that is needed is a commitment from our administration that does not exist currently and won't exist as long as they see there are people who are OK with mediocrity. Wonderful diatribe. However, at issue here is the use of the word 'objective'. Almost impossible to be 'objective' when one is trying to predict the future - and that is because no one can. So the 'polyannas' think they are being objective and the 'negative' folks think they are being objective. Often both sides substitue an opinion (spoken with certainty and sometimes even in CAPS) for a fact. They really believe it is fact but, not so much. Once that happens objectivity is thrown out the window. Btw, mediocrity as used in your post is a subjective term. And your statements about what the administration does or doesn't need or does or doesn't think is an opinion - and therefore not fact.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 23, 2014 16:25:30 GMT -8
No he won't. He has been our head coach for FOUR years and he still has not done it. The Colorado State coach just took two years and his team is currently 10-1, beaten REAL competition, and might make a New Year's Day Bowl. He took over a program that was a mess. Rocky took over a program that was on the rise and yet four years later we are no better off. How many more years does Rocky need? 5 more years? 10 more years? You can give him as much time as you like but he will not be 10-1, beat REAL competition from the Big 5 conferences, and be eligible for a New Year's Day Bowl. Rocky is what he is. A coach that can beat the dregs of Division 1A football and the cotton balls from Division 1AA, but not any REAL football programs. He will always hover between 8-4 and 6-6 and be eligible for a bottom feeder bowl. He will be at this record because we no longer have to play the TCUs, Utahs, and BYUs of the world. No more...no less. I get it that you Polyannas are OK with this because you have such low expectations. Polyannas like to avoid reality, stick their heads in the sand, and just keep pretending that everything is great and everything is on the rise. When someone who is OBVJECTIVE points out that the facts are different than what is perceived by the Polyannas, they get labeled as "negative". What Polyannas, who don't have an objective bone in their body, don't seem to understand is that they are the problem and not those who are "negative". As Erik has already pointed out as long as the administration sees that there are people who are OK with mediocrity there is no reason whatsoever for them to do what it takes to improve the program to where it could be. Some of you are OK with mediocrity whether you will admit it or not. That is fine. However, don't criticize us who are not OK with mediocrity but want this team to excel to the level we believe they can. All that is needed is a commitment from our administration that does not exist currently and won't exist as long as they see there are people who are OK with mediocrity. Wonderful diatribe. However, at issue here is the use of the word 'objective'. Almost impossible to be 'objective' when one is trying to predict the future - and that is because no one can. So the 'polyannas' think they are being objective and the 'negative' folks think they are being objective. Often both sides substitue an opinion (spoken with certainty and sometimes even in CAPS) for a fact. They really believe it is fact but, not so much. Once that happens objectivity is thrown out the window. Btw, mediocrity as used in your post is a subjective term. And your statements about what the administration does or doesn't need or does or doesn't think is an opinion - and therefore not fact. Did you have a point "jahuh"? Are you now above the fray and the self-appointed crusader of all that is Solomonesque? Quite self-serving logorrhea wouldn't you say?
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Post by OnionHead on Nov 23, 2014 16:32:44 GMT -8
This post is titled: Whiny Negative Nancy Fans and I see my*******words just posted.
How appropriate.
Mod's Note - Please refrain from namecalling, it is against forum rules. Thanks.
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Post by junior on Nov 23, 2014 16:40:03 GMT -8
You must be thinking about a different football team. Watching this one is simply BRUTAL. Even when they win. Why then, do you watch? This is a question I ask myself all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:06:19 GMT -8
Wonderful diatribe. However, at issue here is the use of the word 'objective'. Almost impossible to be 'objective' when one is trying to predict the future - and that is because no one can. So the 'polyannas' think they are being objective and the 'negative' folks think they are being objective. Often both sides substitue an opinion (spoken with certainty and sometimes even in CAPS) for a fact. They really believe it is fact but, not so much. Once that happens objectivity is thrown out the window. Btw, mediocrity as used in your post is a subjective term. And your statements about what the administration does or doesn't need or does or doesn't think is an opinion - and therefore not fact. Did you have a point "jahuh"? Are you now above the fray and the self-appointed crusader of all that is Solomonesque? Quite self-serving logorrhea wouldn't you say? Q1 - I do have a point on the top of my head. Q2 - No more so than you, my man. No more so than you. Q3 - Only if you say.
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Post by myownwords on Nov 23, 2014 18:08:05 GMT -8
Did you have a point "jahuh"? Are you now above the fray and the self-appointed crusader of all that is Solomonesque? Quite self-serving logorrhea wouldn't you say? No more so than you, my man. No more so than you. Nay, self-appointment and dictating to others is not my style. It does seem to be your chosen avocation however.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 18:11:13 GMT -8
No more so than you, my man. No more so than you. Nay, self-appointment and dictating to others is not my style. It does seem to be your chosen avocation however. I am doing nothing here that you aren't. Or I am doing the same here as you. Whichever you like better. I was just pointing something out - as you do rather consistantly.
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Post by aztecfanatic on Nov 23, 2014 18:30:55 GMT -8
Right on Adam. These are the good old days (never better), yet you'd never know it from the miasma of negativity that blankets this board. It's garbage, and good reason to neither read nor participate. The fingers pointed at the Show are patently rediculous. Take a cue from the Show diehards and support your school thick or thin. Or do your Nancy thing, I'm going to savor the highest level of success Aztecs athletics has enjoyed. The last sentence pretty much pinpoints my thoughts also. These sporting events are just games - nothing more or less. They are a really fun outlet for me win or lose. All opinions are valid to the person holding them; yet in my mind - life is just too short to not enjoy yourself. I'm happy for those who are having fun while watching Aztec sporting events ... it's an experience to be shared!
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