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Post by rick7g on Apr 30, 2014 8:36:57 GMT -8
Who do you expect to be the starters on the team next year? Is there room for Polee and Winnie to both start?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 8:49:13 GMT -8
Probably the hardest its ever been for us to predict. We have discussed it at great length on multiple threads. I probably have a different answer every time I think about it.
Right now, I'm feeling the following for the first game:
Zabo
Polee
Shepard
O'Brien
Spencer
There is a lot of talent on the bench that will push for minutes, and potentially start. Extremely deep team. My lineup may not even be the best 5. Regardless, I believe Shep and Polee are the only true locks to start, with JJ probably in that mix as well.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 30, 2014 8:54:51 GMT -8
_________
Shepard
JJ
Chol
Spencer
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Post by aztectone on Apr 30, 2014 9:01:58 GMT -8
first game will probably look like
AQ
Shep
Polee
JJ
Spencer
It could be completely different a week later. Fish likes to have a solid D first and foremost....however when the young guys learn to play D, then it becomes wide open.
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Post by biotec on Apr 30, 2014 9:02:24 GMT -8
_________ Shepard JJ Chol Spencer I like it. Start 4 and bring 6 off the bench. |
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Post by kushandfishersweets on Apr 30, 2014 9:04:59 GMT -8
Spencer
Chol
JJ
Polee
Shepard
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Post by danloc09 on Apr 30, 2014 9:06:38 GMT -8
ESPN had our projected lineup as:
Quinn
Kell
Shep
JJ
Sky
Not sure I agree, but take it for what it's worth.
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Post by namssa on Apr 30, 2014 9:10:59 GMT -8
I originally thought it would be:
Shep
Polee
JJ
Chol
Spencer
But the more I think about it I agree that it will likely be:
AQ
Shep
Polee
JJ
Spencer
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Post by aztecpaulg on Apr 30, 2014 9:12:32 GMT -8
Yes, there is room for Shepard and Polee on the court at the same time. Polee has not shown the ability, yet, to create his own shot, so having Shepard to set him up will help Polee's offense when he's not getting fast break points.
I keep thinking about that our best unit (starting or not) might end up being Shepard, Polee, Allen, Spencer, and Chol. The defense that team could play would be stellar! They could switch 1 through 5, and with Polee, Shep, and Allen there wouldn't be an un-contested passing lane. Defensively, this team could play any zone (a 6' 7", 6' 7", 6'9", 6'9" 6' 10" unit would thrive at Syracuse), perform any man to man trap, and lock down most teams in the NCAA. Offensively, with Chol and Polee spreading the floor, the slashing ability of Allen and Shepard would thrive, and anything you got from Spencer would be a bonus because of his great D.
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Post by aztecswinagain on Apr 30, 2014 9:14:38 GMT -8
I'm starting to think you're a closet Aztec fan Rick...
To answer your question yes Winston and Polee are locks to start. If I had to guess the starting lineup to start the season I would go with
Winston, Polee, JJ, Chol, and Spencer.
The bench rotation is so tough to predict simply because the talent that's there. Our bench could easily field a starting 5 that would be better than a few teams in our league.
The returning players Shrigley, Quinn, Allen, and Williams should see a lot of minutes depending on the development of the freshmen.
Pope is a real X factor and it will be interesting to see if he redshirts or not. If healthy Pope is an elite talent and I could easily see him in a type of role that Polee had last season. Again the health of his knee is the key to that so he may need the year off but if he is healthy, watch out.
Zylan who as I'm sure you're familiar with is a very good rebounder and defender with through the roof athleticism. His hustle on the boards and defense could get him a lot of minutes early on in his Aztec career.
Trey Kell's smarts and ability to score at all 3 levels is another interesting thing to watch as I wouldn't be surprised if he jumped some upperclassmen on the depth chart by midseason.
Zabo is a tricky one because he could easily be a game 1 starter and at the same time he could easily be a guy who gets skipped on the rotation by Quinn and Williams and doesn't see many minutes.
Should be a very interesting summer/fall on the court as Coach Fisher starts to figure out a rotation.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Apr 30, 2014 9:27:12 GMT -8
AQ
Shepard
Polee
O'Brien
Spencer
After the first media time out sub in:
Shrigley
Chol
Allen
After the second media time out sub in:
Williams
Kell
Cheatham
Pope
I think that Zabo ends up red-shirting
It'll be hard to get all 12 guys into the game...it'll end up being a lot of 4 minute shifts...I'd be very surprised if any one player logs more than 30-32 minutes per game.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 30, 2014 9:28:51 GMT -8
first game will probably look like AQ Shep Polee JJ Spencer It could be completely different a week later. Fish likes to have a solid D first and foremost....however when the young guys learn to play D, then it becomes wide open. With so many variables in this question, I think this comes about as close as possible to a most likely scenario. Especially the part about how it could change - even multiple times - during the course of the season. Amazing depth is going to be a very nice problem to have... |
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Post by standiego on Apr 30, 2014 9:51:41 GMT -8
Guess by Zeigler - Spencer , Chol, JJ , Shepard with a strong battle for PG - Williams , Zabo , AQ , with Shepard or Kell also in the mix . PG will not be asked to be the scorer X was last year and the battle for PG could easily go into October or November. Polee- SF/SG provided spark off the bench , some guys can handle it others can not . Polee also proved that starting is not as important as being there in crunch time . Aztecs could realistically be 10 deep this year . Cheatham could easily split time equally with Spencer and Chol , as the CSC trio get most of the PT at the 4/5 positions , with JJ sliding over there if needed or give others more time at SF. Pope, SF how quickly he can come back from his injury is not known or adjustment to college ball- but if healthy could be the best SF scorer Aztecs have had in a while . Kell,SG is also a scorer that we are waiting to see how quickly he can make the adjustment to college ball . Also have Shrigley and Allen at SG/SF. Definitely a lot of battles for PT
Rick what does your group look like . Did you guys book or cancel the OOC game with Arizona?
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Post by aztech on Apr 30, 2014 10:26:04 GMT -8
first game will probably look like AQ Shep Polee JJ Spencer It could be completely different a week later. Fish likes to have a solid D first and foremost....however when the young guys learn to play D, then it becomes wide open. With so many variables in this question, I think this comes about as close as possible to a most likely scenario. Especially the part about how it could change - even multiple times - during the course of the season. Amazing depth is going to be a very nice problem to have...
We're going to need the deep bench playing those goats at elevation. So if they try to play up tempo against us, it won't matter. With the incoming studs and returnees, they won't have an answer for our combined defense and depth. We've always had the defense, but team offense is going to be the main difference between this year and the last two. We shouldn't have to rely on one or two guys anymore which has limited our progress. Like Fisher said, we're a program now.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Apr 30, 2014 10:31:47 GMT -8
Game one...
Shep
Polee
Chol
Spencer
JJ
By end of season
Shep
Polee
Chol
Spencer
Kell
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Post by uncledougy on Apr 30, 2014 10:55:53 GMT -8
I think Z will be a mainstay by Christmas. I think he will end up being the heart and soul of the team.
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Post by rockshow on Apr 30, 2014 11:04:08 GMT -8
I wanted to start a new thread on this but I will post here instead.
I'd be interested to see if Fish & crew can create what I'm calling a "point forward offense" consisting of 2 point forwards, 2 wings and a center.
It would probably have to be some version of a motion offense and would be predicated on getting the two point forwards opportunities to drive to the basket and the wings opportunities to get open threes. It would also try to expose mismatches. I'm not quite knowledgable to craft a consistent offense in my mind but I could think of some motions/set plays that would get us in advantageous situations.
The Lineup would be
Point forwards- Winston, JJ
Wings- Shrigley, Polee
Center- Spencer/Chol
Win and JJ would both need to improve their shooting for it to work I'd think. But even simple things like the wings setting picks for the Pf's and popping out for three. Or using our Pf's as the double high posts which puts both in a triple threat position in spots where JJ and Win and go to work.
There would need to be lots of movement and action off the ball instead of last year, where when all else fails, we'd set a high screen for X and hope he does something good.
I also wonder if Cheatham and Pope could sub in as point forwards and Kell & Allen could come in as wings.
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Post by chicobeanr on Apr 30, 2014 11:44:37 GMT -8
ESPN had our projected lineup as: Quinn Kell Shep JJ Sky Not sure I agree, but take it for what it's worth. Surprised ESPN knows who plays for us.......can't see a freshman and walk on being in starting lineup. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 30, 2014 12:14:44 GMT -8
It'll be hard to get all 12 guys into the game...it'll end up being a lot of 4 minute shifts...I'd be very surprised if any one player logs more than 30-32 minutes per game. This is very close to what I was going to post. Until conference play starts I see lots of guys getting 10-15 minutes with not more than 2 or 3 getting 20-30. After conference play starts I expect to see 3 or 4 getting 25-30+ minutes per game. I expect Chol to be a starter, but I don't know who's place he'd take. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 30, 2014 12:32:35 GMT -8
I'd be shocked if WS, Sky, JJ and DP Don't start. I don't think JJ should start but coach loves him.
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