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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 9:51:31 GMT -8
Post by Xolotl on Dec 16, 2012 9:51:31 GMT -8
Doesn't Jamaal mentor this guy too. I know he, Jamaal, respects Fisher & Co. So, with both ends working against the middle maybe this kid will turn out all right in the long run. What we as fans need to do is encourage him to show progress. D1basketball is ALL about TEAM. He hopefully will see that and become a great Aztec and NBA talent.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 10:05:06 GMT -8
Post by Azpire! on Dec 16, 2012 10:05:06 GMT -8
What is the kid doing each day to better his game? That is roughly the same question successful people ask themselves about their career, profession, business or craft: "What am I doing today to be more successful, grow my career, build my business..." There is what happens during practice and what takes place before and/or afterwards. The popping off at Fisher and staff can't continue. No building at all occuring there. Taplay talking to Sheppard, well...that is likely happening off the court and in house which is the way it is supposed to. Betcha Miner already knows intimately about this though the details best stay that way (in house). Trust Fisher & Co. to do what they do. SDSU won't quit on Sheppard. He would quit on himself before Fisher & Co. ever did. Life is also about patience and control. Both sides can benefit from the wisdom embedded in that statement.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 10:06:29 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 10:06:29 GMT -8
Even "Dutch" was having a hard time with Shepard last night.....not a good sign. Shepard needs to get control of his emotions and fast. Tapley or Jamaal should take him aside and let him know how important it is to focus on the game and ignore the refs and mistakes. Shep is going to be riding the pine a lot unless he gets his act together. You want Jamaal take him aside and let him know how important it is to focus on the game and ignore the refs and mistakes? Isn't that the a bit the pot calling the kettle black? ;D Anyone but Jamaal
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:02:37 GMT -8
Post by supershadow93 on Dec 16, 2012 11:02:37 GMT -8
Shepard is adjusting to the speed, physical nature and mental aspect of playing basketball. You see the flashes of Winston adjusting to the game as his lay-up down the baseline he used his body better to finish than he did in previous games and then you see the other basket coming down the lane.
You then see the glimpses of him letting his emotions get the better of him after not being able to finish a lay-up and then he compounds it by not getting back on defense. He will find his way and the coaching staff will make sure of that. He is a very talented player that will take time to develop.
I will go with what I heard an Aztecs bball coach say to a reporter about recruiting and how to evaluate a player. "When in doubt, you recruit the athlete."
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:06:07 GMT -8
Post by danloc09 on Dec 16, 2012 11:06:07 GMT -8
In my opinion, by him not wanting to take direction from Fisher, not wanting to interact with players and dissing them while doing so, arguing with the coaches when the coaches try to explain that what he is doing is not the right thing to do, is acting as if he's too good for the team. Do I have proof that he feels that way? No. It just seems that he acts as if he is. What are your observations on Winston in this topic? In the pre-game warmup, I saw Tapley not participate in the shooting drills...as a matter of fact, he went over to USD's side and sat down...he look like he was sulking. Castleberry went over to consult him, but Tap didn't even acknowledge him. Boy, Fisher needs to really get on that. Did this happen for really, yes the event actually did, but I have no way of knowing what was going on in his head, why he sat down, or what Castleberry said to him...it's ALL conjecture on my part. It's all conjecture on yours. So much this. This thread is incredible.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:12:53 GMT -8
Post by benaztecfan on Dec 16, 2012 11:12:53 GMT -8
It's baffling how this board has to have someone to beat up on. All last year and the beginning of this year it was Rahon. Now that he's worked out of his slump/injury issues we've moved on to Winston. I wonder if this comes from all those years of losing and needing to have someone/something to blame it on. Relax people, we're winning and are completely able to allow Winston to grow and mature in the process!!!
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:12:56 GMT -8
Post by johneaztec on Dec 16, 2012 11:12:56 GMT -8
In my opinion, by him not wanting to take direction from Fisher, not wanting to interact with players and dissing them while doing so, arguing with the coaches when the coaches try to explain that what he is doing is not the right thing to do, is acting as if he's too good for the team. Do I have proof that he feels that way? No. It just seems that he acts as if he is. What are your observations on Winston in this topic? My observation is that you're probably a Lobo fan trying to start crap. Why? Because we all know a Rebel fan wouldn't start crap. In the pre-game warmup, I saw Tapley not participate in the shooting drills...as a matter of fact, he went over to USD's side and sat down...he look like he was sulking. Castleberry went over to consult him, but Tap didn't even acknowledge him. Boy, Fisher needs to really get on that. Did this happen for really, yes the event actually did, but I have no way of knowing what was going on in his head, why he sat down, or what Castleberry said to him...it's ALL conjecture on my part. It's all conjecture on yours. I wonder did Hamilton read this board before making his decision to go to UTEP? I'll let the Lobo remark go since you're obviously a rookie around here. I don't need to justify my Aztec allegiance to you, I think it's obvious where I stand. The difference with Taps and Winston is that Winston is showing a pattern of bad behavior, and he's just a Freshman. All I'm saying is that he needs to get it in check, and quick like. I too believe that he will eventually turn it around, it just better be yesterday.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:26:04 GMT -8
Post by wakelaunch on Dec 16, 2012 11:26:04 GMT -8
Some of you guys are real douche bags. Yep you heard me, real a__ holes. Do you talk to fisher, do you know what is said. Just because you think you know what is being said or think you can read body language, you think you know all the answers. Leave the kid alone.
It really makes me sick sometimes. You look to bash some kid for every little thing. Maybe he deserves the playing time, maybe not but that is up to Fisher to decide. Obviously he does stuff in practice that makes him deserving of PT.
If you feel the need to bash a kid, maybe step away from your computer for the day and think twice about posting it.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:28:20 GMT -8
Post by benaztecfan on Dec 16, 2012 11:28:20 GMT -8
Some of you guys are real douche bags. Yep you heard me, real a__ holes. Do you talk to fisher, do you know what is said. Just because you think you know what is being said or think you can read body language, you think you know all the answers. Leave the kid alone. It really makes me sick sometimes. You look to bash some kid for every little thing. Maybe he deserves the playing time, maybe not but that is up to Fisher to decide. Obviously he does stuff in practice that makes him deserving of PT. If you feel the need to bash a kid, maybe step away from your computer for the day and think twice about posting it. +99999999
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:39:36 GMT -8
Post by dirtball on Dec 16, 2012 11:39:36 GMT -8
My observation is that you're probably a Lobo fan trying to start crap. Why? Because we all know a Rebel fan wouldn't start crap. In the pre-game warmup, I saw Tapley not participate in the shooting drills...as a matter of fact, he went over to USD's side and sat down...he look like he was sulking. Castleberry went over to consult him, but Tap didn't even acknowledge him. Boy, Fisher needs to really get on that. Did this happen for really, yes the event actually did, but I have no way of knowing what was going on in his head, why he sat down, or what Castleberry said to him...it's ALL conjecture on my part. It's all conjecture on yours. I wonder did Hamilton read this board before making his decision to go to UTEP? I'll let the Lobo remark go since you're obviously a rookie around here. I don't need to justify my Aztec allegiance to you, I think it's obvious where I stand. The difference with Taps and Winston is that Winston is showing a pattern of bad behavior, and he's just a Freshman. All I'm saying is that he needs to get it in check, and quick like. I too believe that he will eventually turn it around, it just better be yesterday. Pattern of bad behavior? What pattern? Lets talk about what this is really about. Its about YOU. YOU dont like his personality. YOU dont like his body language. YOU dont like how he interacts with teammates. Winston has always been somewhat of a loner. I remember during his recruitment, people were thinking maybe Winston would talk other players into coming here, and Insider said that wasnt in Winston's nature. He was right. He is quiet, and a bit hard on himself. But he dopesnt have a pattern of bad behavior. That is YOU making a judgement on his body language, and lip reading. Maybe you should look at yourself, instead of spending your time trying analizing an 18 year old.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:44:22 GMT -8
Post by aztecan on Dec 16, 2012 11:44:22 GMT -8
The kid is just out of high school. He seems a little immature at this time. This is normal for most freshman. Just because we had Leonard and Kentucky wins the prize with frosh, now some folks expect every high profile freshman to come in mature, skilled, hard working, team orientated, willing to sacrifice, perfect body, etc. Those are traits of experienced players who have worked with the coaches. Winston needs time to develop his:maturity, finishing skills, and leadership. He has great size, length and athletic ability. He just needs time. If he hangs with State he will be a force as a junior.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:45:57 GMT -8
Post by wakelaunch on Dec 16, 2012 11:45:57 GMT -8
I'll let the Lobo remark go since you're obviously a rookie around here. I don't need to justify my Aztec allegiance to you, I think it's obvious where I stand. The difference with Taps and Winston is that Winston is showing a pattern of bad behavior, and he's just a Freshman. All I'm saying is that he needs to get it in check, and quick like. I too believe that he will eventually turn it around, it just better be yesterday. Pattern of bad behavior? What pattern? Lets talk about what this is really about. Its about YOU. YOU dont like his personality. YOU dont like his body language. YOU dont like how he interacts with teammates. Winston has always been somewhat of a loner. I remember during his recruitment, people were thinking maybe Winston would talk other players into coming here, and Insider said that wasnt in Winston's nature. He was right. He is quiet, and a bit hard on himself. But he dopesnt have a pattern of bad behavior. That is YOU making a judgement on his body language, and lip reading. Maybe you should look at yourself, instead of spending your time trying analizing an 18 year old. +1 Think about what you are saying, would you say what you said to Fisher, to the player, NO!!!!
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:53:02 GMT -8
Post by standiego on Dec 16, 2012 11:53:02 GMT -8
This is something that should be handled by the coaches who may know the whole story , what makes him tick and how to get the most out of him. Believe that is what most Aztec fans want. The experiment of him playing PG , is one of the ideas to create mis -matches , then take advantage of them. Last night there were times when Winston was being guarded by C. Anderson #00- who stands 5'7" ( about 12 inches shorter or J. Dee maybe 6'ft) , were there plays set up to get Winston to post up down low or clear out and let him drive on him. Either use those situations or forget the PG bit . Anderson is going to be quicker and steal the ball at the point as Ritchie Williams used to do, but sometimes got in trouble down low when posted up. Yes he did not warm up , but maybe just let him just play wing and get comfortable doing what he does best. Defend wing players on D, block shots , rebound and drive to the basket. He made some very good passes- one that set up Rahon, and drives to the basket well. Unfortunately he gets frustrated easily and shows it. He is immature and will need guidance from the staff and fellow players.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 11:54:45 GMT -8
Post by smoketree on Dec 16, 2012 11:54:45 GMT -8
Reminds me a little bit of Randy Holcomb when he arrived here as an Aztec....He was a hothead who had a bad attitude...I witnessed him talking back to Fisher and guess what happened??? He was benched and if I recall correctly, didn't start one game. He cleaned up his act and became a real team player. I was one of the first of this board to express concerns about Winston's attitude, however, I am starting to see glimpses of confidence and great talent. I think with Bland, Fisher, Taps, talking with him he will only get better and better.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:09:58 GMT -8
Post by junior on Dec 16, 2012 12:09:58 GMT -8
He was benched after his transgressions last night. I thought that decision was a good one. He needed the negative reinforcement. Said so on the game thread. But in no way does that mean Winston Shepard is a turd. He'll learn. But it takes some time to learn discipline. And that's where he's at right now. If he had the discipline already, he'd be headed to the NBA next year.
Did no one see that run and lay up he made prior to the miss and the emotion? No one does that at college hoops level. Looked like slow-motion, it was so smooth. This kid will go far - if he has the discipline. That's exactly why he's here.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:25:57 GMT -8
Post by Area51 Aztec on Dec 16, 2012 12:25:57 GMT -8
Matt Bush ver. 2.0
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:30:54 GMT -8
Post by kozy on Dec 16, 2012 12:30:54 GMT -8
Actually they isolated him deep on the right side. The first one he drove and made it, the second not. That isolation was set up for him to used his talent and score. I guess that I watched a different game last night. I saw a kid, yes a kid, start to feel comfort on the court. He is showing better decisions, has intensity and love the PG mismatch he brings. Look it is a long season to March. Do you think Fisher is prepping Winston for then? Winston is a work in progress. He has the tools, now Fisher is asking more of him that any coach has in the past. The coaches know what they see him doing in March, they just have to guide him there.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:35:59 GMT -8
Post by johneaztec on Dec 16, 2012 12:35:59 GMT -8
Reminds me a little bit of Randy Holcomb when he arrived here as an Aztec....He was a hothead who had a bad attitude...I witnessed him talking back to Fisher and guess what happened??? He was benched and if I recall correctly, didn't start one game. He cleaned up his act and became a real team player. I was one of the first of this board to express concerns about Winston's attitude, however, I am starting to see glimpses of confidence and great talent. I think with Bland, Fisher, Taps, talking with him he will only get better and better. Exactly. I totally agree. I've never questioned his talent, but his bad attitude has been on display for all to see at some moment in every game. It's for all to see. He's going to lose valuable minutes towards his experience if he keeps it up. I don't want to see that happen. I don't like to see any player talk back to a coach, or big time a teammate. That has got to stop.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:39:13 GMT -8
Post by johneaztec on Dec 16, 2012 12:39:13 GMT -8
I'll let the Lobo remark go since you're obviously a rookie around here. I don't need to justify my Aztec allegiance to you, I think it's obvious where I stand. The difference with Taps and Winston is that Winston is showing a pattern of bad behavior, and he's just a Freshman. All I'm saying is that he needs to get it in check, and quick like. I too believe that he will eventually turn it around, it just better be yesterday. Pattern of bad behavior? What pattern? Lets talk about what this is really about. Its about YOU. YOU dont like his personality. YOU dont like his body language. YOU dont like how he interacts with teammates. Winston has always been somewhat of a loner. I remember during his recruitment, people were thinking maybe Winston would talk other players into coming here, and Insider said that wasnt in Winston's nature. He was right. He is quiet, and a bit hard on himself. But he dopesnt have a pattern of bad behavior. That is YOU making a judgement on his body language, and lip reading. Maybe you should look at yourself, instead of spending your time trying analizing an 18 year old. You can't be serious. He shows a bad attitude at some point every game. It hurts the team. I call that a pattern. Never about me, it's always about the team, and he's letting the team down on the defensive end.
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Winston
Dec 16, 2012 12:39:39 GMT -8
Post by Section T(urn Up) on Dec 16, 2012 12:39:39 GMT -8
Reminds me a little bit of Randy Holcomb when he arrived here as an Aztec....He was a hothead who had a bad attitude...I witnessed him talking back to Fisher and guess what happened??? He was benched and if I recall correctly, didn't start one game. He cleaned up his act and became a real team player. I was one of the first of this board to express concerns about Winston's attitude, however, I am starting to see glimpses of confidence and great talent. I think with Bland, Fisher, Taps, talking with him he will only get better and better. Exactly. I totally agree. I've never questioned his talent, but his bad attitude has been on display for all to see at some moment in every game. It's for all to see. He's going to lose valuable minutes towards his experience if he keeps it up. I don't want to see that happen. I don't like to see any player talk back to a coach, or big time a teammate. That has got to stop. It's the last paragraph that makes your comments ridiculous. It's fine to speculate as to what is going on with Winston's attitude. I think it's stupid, but if you want to do it, fine. Amoroso used to rub me the wrong way and I was never easy on him on ATalk, so I get just disliking someone. But when you take speculation, and that's what this all is, and then make these proclamations regarding playing time, big timing teammates etc. it makes me wonder why you're taking it so personally.
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