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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:54:28 GMT -8
My point exactly. If we don't need scoring from him, is he that great a defender for him to play in front of guys who can score AND defend just as well?? The 2010 team was so special because our Forwards were the most versatile group in the Country. They could all score multiple ways, put the ball on the floor, rebound, and defend. The combination of Polee, O'brien, and Stephens mimics that. Shepard has the frame, but he lacks the overall game. He can and will develop over the next few years, but in terms of 2012-13, he's too raw to make a huge impact. So Stephans is better on offense than Shepard? Him and Green were the two guys I did not want with the ball with the game on the line. Stephens is so much better than Shepard on offense lol Shepard has no inside game. Stephens dunks everything.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:56:18 GMT -8
If Rahon is shooting the ball well, What's stopping Fisher from going with a small line up like he did last year with X, Chase, James, Jamaal, Stephens?? I think that's a very good possibility. That line up can get up through conference. We only saw a handful of games where our lack of size was a major factor. This year we'll have that size in our back pockets. Unfortunately they were our most important games. (MWC Final and NCAA tournament) Yeah. This season we'll be able to at least match up with anyone in terms of size. Johnson is 6'11 240 right?
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:56:59 GMT -8
So Stephans is better on offense than Shepard? Him and Green were the two guys I did not want with the ball with the game on the line. Stephens is so much better than Shepard on offense lol Shepard has no inside game. Stephens dunks everything. hehe
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 12:57:02 GMT -8
So Stephans is better on offense than Shepard? Him and Green were the two guys I did not want with the ball with the game on the line. Stephens is so much better than Shepard on offense lol Shepard has no inside game. Stephens dunks everything. So what happens when you put a defender on Stephens? He popped a couple of decent short-range bank shots, falling away towards the end of the year, but mostly it was either an ugly shot, turn over, or him missing a couple of free throws. I like Stephans on D and love his rebounding. I just don't think his offense is very good.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:02:09 GMT -8
Stephens is so much better than Shepard on offense lol Shepard has no inside game. Stephens dunks everything. So what happens when you put a defender on Stephens? He popped a couple of decent short-range bank shots, falling away towards the end of the year, but mostly it was either an ugly shot, turn over, or him missing a couple of free throws. I like Stephans on D and love his rebounding. I just don't think his offense is very good. If you base it strictly on what you saw last year, I'd have to agree with you 100%. I got to see Stephens this Summer against some very respectable competition, most notibly, Taj Gipson of the Chicago Bulls. Stephens shocked the hell out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 13:03:47 GMT -8
So Stephans is better on offense than Shepard? Him and Green were the two guys I did not want with the ball with the game on the line. Stephens is so much better than Shepard on offense lol Shepard has no inside game. Stephens dunks everything. The biggest improvement to Stephens game last year was his ability to dunk without a running start. Early in the year he'd catch the ball in side and have to lay it in, which turned easy buckets into misses.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 13:04:26 GMT -8
So what happens when you put a defender on Stephens? He popped a couple of decent short-range bank shots, falling away towards the end of the year, but mostly it was either an ugly shot, turn over, or him missing a couple of free throws. I like Stephans on D and love his rebounding. I just don't think his offense is very good. If you base it strictly on what you saw last year, I'd have to agree with you 100%. I got to see Stephens this Summer against some very respectable competition, most notibly, Taj Gipson of the Chicago Bulls. Stephens shocked the hell out of me. Isn't Drew League like facing MLB pitchers throwing only one pitch? I understand the talent. I just think the Drew League is like a series of all-star games as far as defense is concerned.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:07:38 GMT -8
If you base it strictly on what you saw last year, I'd have to agree with you 100%. I got to see Stephens this Summer against some very respectable competition, most notibly, Taj Gipson of the Chicago Bulls. Stephens shocked the hell out of me. Isn't Drew League like facing MLB pitchers throwing only one pitch? I understand the talent. I just think the Drew League is like a series of all-star games as far as defense is concerned. You're right. But you can't be a scrub and perform well in the Drew League. You still have to have talent to put up numbers. The individual defensive efforts are very noticable. The team defense is whats lacking.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2012 13:07:49 GMT -8
For the love of everything holy, can we please ban BBA? Idiotic, obsessive, delusional, any number of adjectives you want. The act is old. I saw Winston play a number of times on TV and came away impressed with his court vision, awareness and leadership, you know, something you can't coach? Is he a great shooter? No. Does he have holes in his game? Sure. Is he a dynamic wing player with NBA potential? HELL yes.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 13:09:25 GMT -8
Isn't Drew League like facing MLB pitchers throwing only one pitch? I understand the talent. I just think the Drew League is like a series of all-star games as far as defense is concerned. You're right. But you can't be a scrub and perform well in the Drew League. You still have to have talent to put up numbers. The individual defensive efforts are very noticable. The team defense is whats lacking. This is true.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:10:25 GMT -8
For the love of everything holy, can we please ban BBA? Idiotic, obsessive, delusional, any number of adjectives you want. The act is old. I saw Winston play a number of times on TV and came away impressed with his court vision, awareness and leadership, you know, something you can't coach? Is he a great shooter? No. Does he have holes in his game? Sure. Is he a dynamic wing player with NBA potential? HELL yes. Ban me because of my opinion? lol wow, what is this Russia? lol. He has NBA size. But nothing about his game says "dynamic" or "NBA". Nothing.
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Post by monty on Aug 20, 2012 13:11:07 GMT -8
well this grew from half a dozen posts to 4 pages inbetween lunch and me being bored, so there must the usual BBA magic (aka: flame war). I'm sure it was great
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 13:11:46 GMT -8
Isn't Drew League like facing MLB pitchers throwing only one pitch? I understand the talent. I just think the Drew League is like a series of all-star games as far as defense is concerned. You're right. But you can't be a scrub and perform well in the Drew League. You still have to have talent to put up numbers. The individual defensive efforts are very noticable. The team defense is whats lacking. That's what I'm getting at. I hope you're right as far as Stephans improving. However, there's a huge gap between playing good individual D and team D. Double teams, switching, getting past screens, and positioning away from the ball are things he didn't face much this off-season. I'm anxious to see if he can do it vs. team defenses. Especially teams like UNLV who do it well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 13:12:13 GMT -8
For the love of everything holy, can we please ban BBA? Idiotic, obsessive, delusional, any number of adjectives you want. The act is old. I saw Winston play a number of times on TV and came away impressed with his court vision, awareness and leadership, you know, something you can't coach? Is he a great shooter? No. Does he have holes in his game? Sure. Is he a dynamic wing player with NBA potential? HELL yes. Ban me because of my opinion? lol wow, what is this Russia? lol. He has NBA size. But nothing about his game says "dynamic" or "NBA". Nothing. PLEASE TELL US WHERE HE HURT YOU
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Post by k5james on Aug 20, 2012 13:12:59 GMT -8
well this grew from half a dozen posts to 4 pages inbetween lunch and me being bored, so there must the usual BBA magic (aka: flame war). I'm sure it was great Not really, he's gone JYP style (passive aggressive) in his trolling lately. Not nearly as entertaining.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:13:14 GMT -8
BBA hates on Shep a lot... has been hating since we were recruiting him. My only guess for this hate is that he viewed Shep as the potential biggest threat to Jamaal's playing time. While there really is no threat there at all (Jamaal will/should lead the team in minutes imo) - its pretty silly to rank him last on the team. He is a better player right now than both O'Brien and Polee. Also, kind of hard to rank them when you combine the 3s and 4s. May as well include Spencer and Johnson since we really do not have a "5" Out of the guys you listed, I would ranke them: 1. Shepard - Was perhaps the best defender in the ENTIRE country his senior year. A great passer and above average rebounder. 6'9" with a versatile game, one of the tougher matchups on our team. 2. O'Brien - Seasoned, smart player. By all accounts will be a stabilizer, a smart player who can do a little bit of everything - an injury-free version of Tim Shelton with more offensive game, perhaps? 3. Stephens - one of the biggest motors I have ever seen. He will be maybe the most important player out of all these guys in terms of giving us size and athleticism down low. Needs to stay out of foul trouble and learn to hit a free throw. 4. Polee - he can jump out of the gym. Great shot blocker. Thats really it, his biggest moments will come on the fast break. 5. Shrigley - I put Shrigley last because I dont think he is nearly the defender as any of the other 4 above him, and he would get the least amount of rebounds of any of them. Best shooter out of them all but thats about it. I disregard the front court ranking. All I hope is that collectively they're above average. Most important is that we have the best backcourt in the conference and up there, nationally. They're the ones who are going to win the games. I agree with this 100%. But don't sleep on Stephens, O'brien, Polee. Those guys are dynamic! The closedt thing we've seen to Billy and Malcom.
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Post by therealeman on Aug 20, 2012 13:13:47 GMT -8
Scout just posted highlights of Matt Shirley over the weekend, for those who have a membership. sandiegostate.scout.com/2/1213217.htmlHis shot looks clean just about from anywhere on the floor. I can wait for him to suit up for the hometown.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:17:15 GMT -8
You're right. But you can't be a scrub and perform well in the Drew League. You still have to have talent to put up numbers. The individual defensive efforts are very noticable. The team defense is whats lacking. That's what I'm getting at. I hope you're right as far as Stephans improving. However, there's a huge gap between playing good individual D and team D. Double teams, switching, getting past screens, and positioning away from the ball are things he didn't face much this off-season. I'm anxious to see if he can do it vs. team defenses. Especially teams like UNLV who do it well. He was basically a catch and dunk guy and a big man who ran the floor way better than the other teams big. Jamaal and Stephens seemed to develop some chemistry as they hooked up and many alley oop plays. Jamaal dumped it off to Stephens a number of times for thunderous dunks after drawing double teams. I can see that chemistry transferring over to the SDSU games this season.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:22:12 GMT -8
Scout just posted highlights of Matt Shirley over the weekend, for those who have a membership. sandiegostate.scout.com/2/1213217.htmlHis shot looks clean just about from anywhere on the floor. I can wait for him to suit up for the hometown. I don't have access but compare Matt's all around game to Winston's all around game. It isn't even close. However, Matt is from an unkown school in San Diego. The 6'9 wing from the nationally ranked prep school will always get the benefit of the doubt. Matt Shrigley is a bigger, more athletic James Rahon. He'll be the better player for us.
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Post by dirtball on Aug 20, 2012 13:34:37 GMT -8
Scout just posted highlights of Matt Shirley over the weekend, for those who have a membership. sandiegostate.scout.com/2/1213217.htmlHis shot looks clean just about from anywhere on the floor. I can wait for him to suit up for the hometown. I don't have access but compare Matt's all around game to Winston's all around game. It isn't even close. However, Matt is from an unkown school in San Diego. The 6'9 wing from the nationally ranked prep school will always get the benefit of the doubt. Matt Shrigley is a bigger, more athletic James Rahon. He'll be the better player for us. Your saying Shrigley's all around game is better than Winston's?? Wow. LOL
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